"Solo: A Star Wars Story" Expectations

[SilentSteve 5]

What I really want to know is what is every body looking for here in this up coming Anthology movie? What needs to happen or not happen for you personally to have a better gut feeling then when you walked out the of "The Last Jedi" Because I know for me I was in denial for about 30 minutes wanting to have liked what I had just seen and couldn't convince myself of it, the wife loved it, which is what they were going for I suspect...

"The Last Jedi" for me failed as a Star Wars movie, for two main reasons I need to not happen again in "Solo: A Star Wars Story"

1) Humor that wasn't funny, and/or out of place?

Star Wars has humor, it lightens the mood and keeps things from a constant fever pitch, so when the audience needs to care about the movie, the story can ramp up the tension. 

Think R2-D2/C3PO banter, Han Solo's constant skepticism, Prince Leia's "Feisty Pants" attitude, cool headed Obi-Wan Kenobi jumping in on General Grievous...

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Poe Dameron jerking Hux's around on the Comm while the whole of the resistance is evacuating, Would it feel more or less Star Wars if Wedge Antilles had done this with Admiral Piett during Endor? Luke with General Veers during the evacuation of Hoth...  And even if that's part of the kind of guy Poe Dameron is fine, but it went too long and reached that overstayed its welcome uncomfortable moment and was just foreshadowing of what was to come.

Instead of Crait being another interesting corner of the Star Wars Galaxy it gets toss away as the butt end of a joke, as did literally everything else in that film: Anakins Light saber, Snoke, Ackbar, the Resistance, Lukes dignity, etc...

2) The lack of immersive world building that expands the universe we know while also adding something that also still feels new AND still feels like the Star Wars Galaxy

I'm ok with everyone of these movies adding new ships, places, characters, weapons to sell children's toys; lets be honest with what is going on here. But atleast make them fit the Star Wars Galaxy and add to the universe.

The Millennium Falcon is not enough to carry"Solo: A Star Wars Story" so I hope that is not the plan here.

3) Expectations

My expectation for this film from what I've seen in trailers and articles are low though I have have some hope in the: cast, the new director Ron Howard, and a screen play written by Lawrence Kasdan (Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Raiders of the Lost Arc)

I still need to still an interesting reason for Han to briefly join the Empire, don't really care the direction they go; just make it interesting and fit Han Solos persona and don't make it a throw away.

Don't have to see how Han meet Chewie, atleast allude to it and do it in a satisfying way.

Also i'm fine with new places, however if none of them end up being Corellia the home of world of one our three principle characters, that hasn't had any screen time yet; even in "Clone Wars" or "Rebels", in his origin story movie that's the second longest Star Wars movie to date at 2H 23m; there will be "**** to Pay!"

 

 

Edited February 28, 2018 by SilentSteve

[Norell 1,198]

Kasdan participated in TFA as wel so he is not a guarantee of quality any more... What concerns me is the continuous turmoil that is constantly around this movie. Writers, directors come and go, they re-re-rework the Falcon... A long list of bad omens.

[jmswood 2,706]

Dismally low expectations. I’ll be looking for spoilers before I give Disney my money this time. 

The mystery surrounding Han, Chewie, Lando, the Falcon and the Kessel Run is part of what makes them oustanding elements of Star Wars lore.

The upcoming Solo film is set to repeat the mistakes of the Prequel Trilogy; telling us things we already know and showing us things we shouldn’t see.

The Solo movie will probably be exciting and visually stunning, but I believe it will ultimately be a disservice to the audience.

Edited February 28, 2018 by jmswood

[GrandAdmiralCrunch 2,255]

Post TLJ, my Star Wars expectations are low. Solo is the first Star Wars movie I’m not excited to see. 

It sounds like before Ron Howard showed up the production was a train wreck. Howard is competent, but not a stellar choice. 

I expect it will be visually stunning. I expect it will mess with the Lore in a way that will piss off the fans. I expect both Critical and audience reception to be mediocre. I expect it to have a strong first weekend, before a steep decline over following weeks. I expect in a few years it will have a cult following among a portion of the fan base who says it’s not that bad and who will continually fight with the portion of the fan base that loathes it. I expect the majority of the fan base will rank it as an average to below average entry; a take it or leave it forgettable film that was probably flawed from conception.   

Edited February 28, 2018 by GrandAdmiralCrunch

[martok2112 373]

If there is any one problem I have with TFA and TLJ is that, like Episode I, these movies feel more like footnotes rather than episodes.

I think that the New Republic and the First Order should be more on equal footing, rather than the First Order being able to simply overrun the galaxy as the Empire did in its day, and then have the survivors of the Republic on the run.   I have to admit, I really wish they'd have stuck with the Imperial Remnant (ala The Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire).   The First Order just doesn't do it for me.  The only ships of theirs that I like are the new TIE Fighters and their drop ships.   The new Star Destroyers....meh.   The dreadnaught, even more meh.  

 

I enjoyed TLJ, but, admittedly, I barely remember the ending of the episode.

 

Rogue One knocked it out of the ball park, and became my all time favorite Star Wars movie, despite the fact that it did mess with some of the old lore a bit (as to who built the Death Star, how the DS's weakness came into being, where the battle for the plans took place, etc.

I am anxious to see Solo, but I too wonder what lore will be mucked with.   At least so far they are hanging onto the notion that Han was an Imperial pilot.   But, his and Chewie's backstory?   Backstory is that Han rescued Chewie from slavers or Imperials, and thus why the Wookiee havena live play with thissen hissen.   Will Han win the Falcon from Lando in that game of Sabaac?

 

As long as the story is entertaining and the film is exciting, they can muck with the old lore all they want.   I had no problems with how Rogue One turned out. 

 

 

[Ironlord 933]

6 hours ago, martok2112 said:

Will Han win the Falcon from Lando in that game of Sabaac?

Apparently Han won the Falcon from Lando in a dice game in the newcanon - those gold dice dangling in the Falcon's cockpit in ANH, that Luke gives Leia in TLJ, are the dice used.

 

I think that a newcanon source said that there is a dice-using Sabacc variant in existence - Corellian Spike - which was the game played - but it's not clear if the game uses both cards and dice, or not:

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sabacc

[martok2112 373]

Very interesting.

 

I should start reading some of the new canon books and comics.

[MandalorianMoose 1,862]

I expect it to be bad

[Tiberius the Killer 465]

Rogue one gives me hope, (Ugh, except for that one line about hope, but I digress).

I am hoping that the one offs/origins will do better than the trilogies.  Rogue One seem to be more concerned with connecting to the original trilogy, and aimed at older audiences.  Maybe Solo will follow in that vein.  If we can have another Rogue One, I will be very happy.

Ron Howard I think can do fine, and Donald Glover I think will be fantastic as Lando.  I feel sorry for the guy cast as Han, how can you fill those shoes, but I'm rooting for him.

As time goes by I dislike TFA and TLJ more and more.  As long as Solo doesn't actively poop on Star Wars Lore, and give old fans the middle finger, I will probably enjoy Solo.  I don't need a excellent Star Wars movie, just give me a good one and I will be very happy.

[Noosh 1,295]

I'm meh about this. I would of preferred some world building of the era btw rotj and TFA. Or even some old republic movies about the birth of the jedi or the republic, or sith. Any of that would be a good story that would be fun story.  Han Solo's origin story holds no interest to me.

[Drasnighta 26,831]

I expect a movie.

 

i mean, I still haven’t seen TLJ yet, so these things are hardly a priority...

... but I do believe Hans story is better unknown, untold, and filled with nothing but insinuation and rumour.

Thats just better for rogue-types anyway.

[MandalorianMoose 1,862]

Just now, Drasnighta said:

... but I do believe Hans story is better unknown, untold, and filled with nothing but insinuation and rumour.

Thats just better for rogue-types anyway.

This. A thousand times this. So many stories that could be told instead, but part of Han’s mystique/charm/personality is that so much of it is unknown/unconfirmed tall tales, which is what allows him to appear “larger than life”

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

24 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

This. A thousand times this. So many stories that could be told instead, but part of Han’s mystique/charm/personality is that so much of it is unknown/unconfirmed tall tales, which is what allows him to appear “larger than life”

Yet wasn't there a trilogy that explained all this in the EU? It's not like this is a first. And if you ignored that, you can ignore this.

[Drasnighta 26,831]

17 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yet wasn't there a trilogy that explained all this in the EU? It's not like this is a first. And if you ignored that, you can ignore this.

You can ignore it, but that doesn’t stop the knowledge being out there, and OTHERS not ignoring it, and thusly basing THEIR stories off it.

That’s a detriment to the storyline in general.

 

... just as it was in the EU, too

Edited March 5, 2018 by Drasnighta

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

2 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

You can ignore it, but that doesn’t stop the knowledge being out there, and OTHERS not ignoring it, and thusly basing THEIR stories off it.

That’s a detriment to the storyline in general.

 

... just as it was in the EU, too

I know. . . my point was that it seems people are responding to this movie telling the story as if it is the first time this ground has been covered, and that somehow it can't be ignored for one's 'head canon', despite the fact that the same thing in book form has already happened, and it didn't seem make too much of a splash. Solo was still a rogue in the EU, and if you've never read that trilogy, he still maintains an air of mystery. Even if you have, he didn't suffer much, if at all. Sure, books can be based on it, but that kinda adds to the mystery, in that suddenly aspects of his past come back, and you are left to wonder at what happened. Sure, there's an explanation, but if you don't read it, so what? The same applies to the movie. Other movies can be filmed with it in mind, but if you never watch this movie, it only has a minimal impact on you, and hardly ruins the perception of the character, right?

[Drasnighta 26,831]

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I know. . . my point was that it seems people are responding to this movie telling the story as if it is the first time this ground has been covered, and that somehow it can't be ignored for one's 'head canon', despite the fact that the same thing in book form has already happened, and it didn't seem make too much of a splash. Solo was still a rogue in the EU, and if you've never read that trilogy, he still maintains an air of mystery. Even if you have, he didn't suffer much, if at all. Sure, books can be based on it, but that kinda adds to the mystery, in that suddenly aspects of his past come back, and you are left to wonder at what happened. Sure, there's an explanation, but if you don't read it, so what? The same applies to the movie. Other movies can be filmed with it in mind, but if you never watch this movie, it only has a minimal impact on you, and hardly ruins the perception of the character, right?

It was different when it was obscure books in a storyline only “the most hardcore” fans took notice of.

A full budget movie “for the masses” is a little different.

 

... besides, like I said: I haven’t seen TLJ yet.

Do you think I’ve actually been able to legitimately ignore it to this point?

 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

2 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

It was different when it was obscure books in a storyline only “the most hardcore” fans took notice of.

A full budget movie “for the masses” is a little different.

 

... besides, like I said: I haven’t seen TLJ yet.

Do you think I’ve actually been able to legitimately ignore it to this point?

 

Of course not. I know you didn't shortly after it came out.

 

Hmm. I guess. 

[Drasnighta 26,831]

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Of course not. I know you didn't shortly after it came out.

 

Hmm. I guess. 

Fundamentally it’s diffetent because the EU story was never part of a cohesive story - authors were given freedom to do what they wanted - not totally, but with a great berth of latitude.

 

Disney Canon involves the Holocron and is ostensibly FAR more restricted, because all ARE intended to be intrinsically linked.

 

Tgere is no escaping storyline linkage because it is intended as a fundamental core of the product.

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

3 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Fundamentally it’s diffetent because the EU story was never part of a cohesive story - authors were given freedom to do what they wanted - not totally, but with a great berth of latitude.

 

Disney Canon involves the Holocron and is ostensibly FAR more restricted, because all ARE intended to be intrinsically linked.

 

Tgere is no escaping storyline linkage because it is intended as a fundamental core of the product.

Bummer, that. I get why they do it, and I can always ignore the bits I want (I do it anyway, since I am never that invested in the stories), but it does somewhat limit creativity. Sure, the EU was mostly garbage, but it evolved naturally. If they could censer the wacky ideas, but not dictate what a story must contain, I think it would be better. Then again, I have no real knowledge of the process, so that is my rather unqualified opinion. . .

[Drasnighta 26,831]

9 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Bummer, that. I get why they do it, and I can always ignore the bits I want (I do it anyway, since I am never that invested in the stories), but it does somewhat limit creativity. Sure, the EU was mostly garbage, but it evolved naturally. If they could censer the wacky ideas, but not dictate what a story must contain, I think it would be better. Then again, I have no real knowledge of the process, so that is my rather unqualified opinion. . .

Essentially the canon reset was to do just that - censer the wacky ideas and set things to be one story.

Artists are given frameworks, they get some creativity, but things are double checked and approved first.

[Forresto 2,200]

I hold that we should've gotten a Lando story instead.

His perspective is innately undersold and little known in the overall story.

We already know Han's story, his arc and who he is. Why do we need more?

However i'm going into SOLO with an open mind.

Its a different team from the other movies for the most part so why should I go in judging it by the other films made by other people?

[Drasnighta 26,831]

Because on top of being a different team, it’s multipke different teams, so the assumption is that instead of being able to do what they do best, one team screwed up and the other team wastes time ****-polishing...

 

Its a common assumption. 

I will be excited to see it — when I know I will be seeing it... even if that is DVD release for the first time...  but fundamentally I just dontbthink the story needed to be told - but I’ll enjoy that it has.

Anyhow, I just have to wait for Rebels tonight.... that’s going to be killer...

[slasher956 546]

instead of an origins story.. why didnt they just give us a one off smugglers story set in the time of the empire?  That just so happened to have Han as the main lead?

[martok2112 373]

A side story involving, perhaps, The Corporate Sector Authority, and one that doesn't necessarily have to involve Han Solo.  (No need to try and make the Han Solo books into movies, especially since they are Legends now.)   Slasher956's idea of smugglers set in the time of the Empire, but in the realm of the CSA.

[Marinealver 8,073]

Well considering all the turmoil the development has been in and that it isn't given an Xmas release. I don't have much expectation for this film. Yeah I'll go and see it, but I won't be going out saying "This is the greatest Star Wars Movie of all Time". Good thing I got a Cinabar nearby to watch it. Having some beers with the Big Screen helps.