Solo trailer. What did you think?

[devin.pike.1989 1,546]

You just seem to be playing the "Superior forms of entertainment" card by comparing a sci fi movie to plays and walks in the park. Which is pretty funny considering this is a forum for a nerdy miniature game based on a sci fi movie.  That said I do not object to you having your own opinion on the subject, just the implication of your wording.

[Jabby 1,042]

2 hours ago, VictoryLeo said:

There's two types of very vocal fans (hopefully a minority) right now:

1) The Gatekeeper: this fan thinks that they have final say what should or should not be released on film by Disney. So if it's not XYZ, everything should be burned to the ground. So if it's not a Maul/Yoda/Obi-wan movie then "no one" wants to see a Rogue One/Solo movie. If Luke isn't blazing against the entire First Order with a lightsaber for two houea, the movie is hot garbage. 

2) The Closet Racist/Misogynist: this fan wants every Star Wars movie to look like them, generally white and male. Any signs of ethnic or gender diversity is usually followed by the term "Social Justice Warrior" and some quasi-political outrage. Characters of different ethnicity are worse than Jar-Jar (or any other hated character). 

No amount of facts, logic or explanation will change these fans' minds. Their opinion is right and they will voice it over and over when every clickbait website wants to incite anger to get people to pay attention to them.

To add to group 1 they also believe that they know exactly how a movie should go and the believe that their fan theory is how the movie should be

[srMontresor 165]

Just now, devin.pike.1989 said:

You just seem to be playing the "Superior forms of entertainment" card by comparing a sci fi movie to plays and walks in the park. Which is pretty funny considering this is a forum for a nerdy miniature game based on a sci fi movie.  That said I do not object to you having your own opinion on the subject, just the implication of your wording.

I can see how you'd read that into it. Not my intent, so I apologise if I caused any offence.

What I first typed was something like "there are better films to watch." I changed this when, casually, I thought to myself "well, not just films." 

[Jabby 1,042]

15 minutes ago, srMontresor said:

I make no claim to either of those things.

Wasting time? Because I had it to waste, I guess. But I don't actually think responding to a forum poster's question about whether I liked something or not to be a waste of time, at least not on a forum for which I am occasionally active, for a game which interests me.

I like you, you seem smart. You also aren’t being like some of the people I’ve seen on this forum. You’re just saying your mind but in a respectful way. For that, i salute you

[srMontresor 165]

3 minutes ago, Jabby said:

I like you, you seem smart. You also aren’t being like some of the people I’ve seen on this forum. You’re just saying your mind but in a respectful way. For that, i salute you

I appreciate that, thank you 

 

[Nihm 209]

My gramps used to tell me...

Some days you're the troll, others you're the +4 Flametongue long sword.

[Jabby 1,042]

16 minutes ago, Nihm said:

My gramps used to tell me...

Some days you're the troll, others you're the +4 Flametongue long sword.

I like this. This forum has some of the best lines especially that one about “ffg printing money”

[Funk Fu master 825]

14 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY SHIP!

Knowing Lando, he probably lined the panels with a rare albino Azerdactyl leather that needs to be oiled and buffed weekly otherwise it will stain

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

5 minutes ago, Funk Fu master said:

Knowing Lando, he probably lined the panels with a rare albino Azerdactyl leather that needs to be oiled and buffed weekly otherwise it will stain

 

 

[VAYASAN 850]

19 hours ago, Nihm said:

Well...he is younger then Ford is now lol

I think there won' be too much time between thus movie and New Hope so he doesn' have to be a teenager so to speak.

Thats kinda my point, he looks and sounds nothing like him...which if there were a decent amount of time between the films it might seem ok, but this is just before...and its a different bloke with different voice etc?

Just seems odd.

[VAYASAN 850]

10 hours ago, VictoryLeo said:

There's two types of very vocal fans (hopefully a minority) right now:

1) The Gatekeeper: this fan thinks that they have final say what should or should not be released on film by Disney. So if it's not XYZ, everything should be burned to the ground. So if it's not a Maul/Yoda/Obi-wan movie then "no one" wants to see a Rogue One/Solo movie. If Luke isn't blazing against the entire First Order with a lightsaber for two houea, the movie is hot garbage. 

2) The Closet Racist/Misogynist: this fan wants every Star Wars movie to look like them, generally white and male. Any signs of ethnic or gender diversity is usually followed by the term "Social Justice Warrior" and some quasi-political outrage. Characters of different ethnicity are worse than Jar-Jar (or any other hated character). 

No amount of facts, logic or explanation will change these fans' minds. Their opinion is right and they will voice it over and over when every clickbait website wants to incite anger to get people to pay attention to them.

Respectfully I think you are wrong.  Im not racist or sexist but I hated watching that disney creative director (forget her name) parading round in a Tshirt stating 'the force is female' before TLJ.

There is just no need for it and it IS pushing an agenda when I just want to watch a good film.

 

Same with the new ghostbusters..I dont want the director stating 'it shows how strong women can be'.  It was when I heard that I decided not to watch the film.  No just shut up and make good films.  I dont want to hear 'it shows how strong men can be either'.  Not fussed if its 4 blokes r women or whatever, stop making it an issue to school people.  Stop pushing **** on filmgoers and make a good film.

[Indy_com 1,144]

Rey does seem a bit like someone just decided to make everyone who's new to the franchise an instant expert in whatever field they fill, which in rey's case, would be being a jedi.

I really don't care who is the lead character, where the lead is from or what race the lead character is part of.  Just as long as they're a bad-a*s during the movie and we know why.

I really wouldn't care if they replaced everyone with a gungan for pete's sake, just as long as they have a justifiable reason.

Starwars really doesn't need a character to "prove" the strength of women, considering the person who took over the entire empire after both palpatine and vader died was Rae Slone, who is a women.

She's already proven she's strong enough to control the empires remains. Maz is "strong" enough to get most of the pirates in her part of the galaxy to listen to what she says rather than just doing whatever while at her castle. Hera Syndulla basically spearheaded the fight against the empire. Leia was strong enough to lead the rebellion to victory and Mon Mothma was strong enough to lead the entire galaxy's government after the GCW ended.

There's plenty of strong women already in starwars.

There's nothing that needs proving here.

Infact, the only place that LACKS strong women in starwars is on the villians side. I can only find Rae Slone and Iden Versio as strong female imperials and one of those goes bails anyway.

Give us a strong female MAIN ANTAGONIST in whatever trilogy comes after episode IX. THEN, we're breaking ground.

Edited February 6, 2018 by Indy_com

[Indy_com 1,144]

And now my rant is over, back to the topic at hand.

I'm pretty certain that Qi'Ra is going to die by the end of the film, so that Han does'nt end up with an angry ex driving another wedge into his marrige with Leia later in his life.

(either that, or she runs of with Lando...)

Edited February 6, 2018 by Indy_com

[Sk3tch 571]

I came here to say

It'll be good to have a new actor explore a new side of Solo, I am 100% percent more interested in new stories and world building, than Harrison Ford's unique take on the character. It will be a little odd at first but I'm sure it'll be fine. 

But dang, this thread got toxic.

[Jabby 1,042]

58 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

Rey does seem a bit like someone just decided to make everyone who's new to the franchise an instant expert in whatever field they fill, which in rey's case, would be being a jedi.

I really don't care who is the lead character, where the lead is from or what race the lead character is part of.  Just as long as they're a bad-a*s during the movie and we know why.

I really wouldn't care if they replaced everyone with a gungan for pete's sake, just as long as they have a justifiable reason.

Starwars really doesn't need a character to "prove" the strength of women, considering the person who took over the entire empire after both palpatine and vader died was Rae Slone, who is a women.

She's already proven she's strong enough to control the empires remains. Maz is "strong" enough to get most of the pirates in her part of the galaxy to listen to what she says rather than just doing whatever while at her castle. Hera Syndulla basically spearheaded the fight against the empire. Leia was strong enough to lead the rebellion to victory and Mon Mothma was strong enough to lead the entire galaxy's government after the GCW ended.

There's plenty of strong women already in starwars.

There's nothing that needs proving here.

Infact, the only place that LACKS strong women in starwars is on the villians side. I can only find Rae Slone and Iden Versio as strong female imperials and one of those goes bails anyway.

Give us a strong female MAIN ANTAGONIST in whatever trilogy comes after episode IX. THEN, we're breaking ground.

The thing is, not everyone who watches the movie reads the books watches rebels etc, so they need a strong female lead who they can use to keep feminists off their backs. I dont like that Rey was a mary sue,  but at least it was explained where her force power comes from (balance). Im fine with female lead ( Rogue one is my fav star wars movie, Jyn Erso was a bada**) but i really dont want politics getting into movies

Edited February 6, 2018 by Jabby

[jrmypdgr 105]

"I have no problem with strong female leads...except when there's a strong female lead"

[Sk3tch 571]

Retracted, I'm not getting involved. 

Edited February 6, 2018 by Sk3tch

[ninclouse2000 1,051]

2 hours ago, VAYASAN said:

Respectfully I think you are wrong.  Im not racist or sexist but I hated watching that disney creative director (forget her name) parading round in a Tshirt stating 'the force is female' before TLJ.

There is just no need for it and it IS pushing an agenda when I just want to watch a good film.

 

Same with the new ghostbusters..I dont want the director stating 'it shows how strong women can be'.  It was when I heard that I decided not to watch the film.  No just shut up and make good films.  I dont want to hear 'it shows how strong men can be either'.  Not fussed if its 4 blokes r women or whatever, stop making it an issue to school people.  Stop pushing **** on filmgoers and make a good film.

Uh clearly you fall into the second category.

[VAYASAN 850]

34 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

Uh clearly you fall into the second category.

Hmm why do I ?  I loved TFA and Rogue one, im not a hissy fan boy.

 

It was very clear with all the 'the force is female' they were pushing an agenda in the TLJ..I dont care what the agenda is...dont push it in Star Wars films, just make good star wars films.

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun 9,495]

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[KalEl814 1,510]

Rey isn’t a Mary Sue. Luke goes from never having left Tatooine, flown a fighter, or knowing what the Force was to being one of the best pilots in the Rebellion, making a shot experienced pilots thought was impossible, and blocking a training remote after 45 seconds of training. Anakin uses the Force to accomplish feats humans should be incapable of without even realizing he’s doing it.

Protagonists in Star Wars being what they need to be isn’t suddenly Mary Sue-ism just because Rey is female... that’s just Star Wars. And it ALWAYS has been. 

[devin.pike.1989 1,546]

The term Mary Sue is the dumbest and laziest criticism a person can give.  It means nothing concrete and is usually only used against female characters.

[KalEl814 1,510]

Just now, devin.pike.1989 said:

The term Mary Sue is the dumbest and laziest criticism a person can give.  It means nothing concrete and is usually only used against female characters.

It CAN be a valid criticism. But in Stars Wars we have the better part of a half century’s worth of stories of space wizards being exactly what they need to be, exactly when they need to be it... that it’s dubious when all of the sudden Rey is singled out.

I’m trying to imagine a scenario in which, say, Rey was the first Force user to use force lightning in 2017. People would be losing their minds. Meanwhile people seem totally fine with Palpatine pulling that ability out of his colon exactly when it was useful to the plot. 

 

[VictoryLeo 146]

7 hours ago, VAYASAN said:

Respectfully I think you are wrong.  Im not racist or sexist but I hated watching that disney creative director (forget her name) parading round in a Tshirt stating 'the force is female' before TLJ.

There is just no need for it and it IS pushing an agenda when I just want to watch a good film.

 

Same with the new ghostbusters..I dont want the director stating 'it shows how strong women can be'.  It was when I heard that I decided not to watch the film.  No just shut up and make good films.  I dont want to hear 'it shows how strong men can be either'.  Not fussed if its 4 blokes r women or whatever, stop making it an issue to school people.  Stop pushing **** on filmgoers and make a good film.

There's a difference between the message and the movie. I didn't like the Ghostbusters remake because it was full of women, I didn't like it because it was horrible. I didn't love Rogue One for the strong female lead and diverse cast, I loved it because it was a great film.  If you feel a movie has an agenda and it bothers you, then it's on you to have a problem with it. I don't care if she wore a shirt that says "the force is female" or "the force is a rainbow" because I don't take issue with it. I'm pretty sure if she wore a slogan shirt with whatever political viewpoint you hold, you wouldn't find issue with it.

 

And sorry to break it to you, the entire history of film has been about discussing social and political issues. As well as Star Wars:

"George Lucas has admitted that one of the biggest influences on the series was the Nixon era. In an interview with the Chicago Tribune, Lucas said Star Wars “was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren’t overthrown; they’re given away.”"

[devin.pike.1989 1,546]

11 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

It CAN be a valid criticism. But in Stars Wars we have the better part of a half century’s worth of stories of space wizards being exactly what they need to be, exactly when they need to be it... that it’s dubious when all of the sudden Rey is singled out.

I’m trying to imagine a scenario in which, say, Rey was the first Force user to use force lightning in 2017. People would be losing their minds. Meanwhile people seem totally fine with Palpatine pulling that ability out of his colon exactly when it was useful to the plot. 

 

The reason I think it it's not a valid criticism is that it is a term invented to title a problem that was invented.  It was used as the name of the main character in a fan fiction for Star trek.  There character wooed Kirk, impressed Spock, showed Scotty a thing or two about engineering, etc.  The problem is that being a knowledgeable or successful character is not a valid criticism.  As long as the story deals with that in an interesting way.  If you have read the name of the wind by Patrick Rothfuss you can see what I mean.  Kvothe learns things almost instantly and becomes more and more capable as the story goes on but the story deals with it in ways that are engaging and interesting.  Kvothe is not a Mary Sue.  Rey is not a Mary Sue.