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[Future] Mask's of Nyarlathotep will be the last expansion ?

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On 5/23/2018 at 11:15 PM, StLemon said:
On 5/23/2018 at 5:43 PM, KBlumhardt said:

With Nikki Valens's departure from FFG, I've moved from the "EH almost certainly isn't done" to "yeah, we're probably not getting more expansions".

I didn't know that. But some digging found a tweet that said she had designed something that would probably come out Q4 2018 for FFG so maybe (probably not), just maybe, there's one more there.

I think that product is much more likely to be another big box for Mansions of Madness.

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FFG might have handed over the EH expansions to other designers.

Maybe one small box a year, or an expansion every two years, or something. (Edit: Or print-on-demand AO packs.)

It does seem less likely now that Nikki's left, though. And the quality might suffer.

(Poor Dagon... missing in action.)

Edited by Zen Shrugs

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On 5/29/2018 at 1:03 PM, tsuma534 said:

I think that product is much more likely to be another big box for Mansions of Madness.

Nikki hasn't designed anything for Mansions apart the core box. So, if that is, I'd be rather surprised (current developer is Kara Centell-Dunk, and previous expansions had been done by Kara and Grace Holdinghaus, with occasional help from externals (Tony Fanchi in Streets of Arkham)

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On 7/1/2018 at 1:34 PM, Julia said:

Nikki hasn't designed anything for Mansions apart the core box.

Oh? Silly me, I haven't bothered to check. That's great to know!

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Nikki Valens is amazing and masks of nyarlathotep could easily have had its structure as a way to wrap up all expansions but other people have pointed out, I don't think they'll stop if they think they can release another and get huge sales so sales will determine everything. I don't think there should be Limitless sideboards but I also don't think side boards are worthless or bad as some people think. The only sideboard I think we really do need, if need means anything when it comes the board game expansions, is an Arkham Countryside board that perhaps had four locations that together had Arkham proper including more specific encounters with the Asylum and miskatonic University, location for innsmouth, location for Dunwich, and location for Kingsport. That is the Nexus of the world in Fantasy Flight Games version of Lovecraft Mythos and it would be a real Delight to have Arkham country as a sideboard. If the game is over now, I don't think they'll immediately jump to a second edition or something to replace it. Not only is Lovecraft games already saturated out there but even specifically with Fantasy Flight there will saturated. If they do release a 2nd edition later on, I think they will hopefully be smart enough to do what they did with Mansions of Madness and find some way of incorporating first edition materials so that people who bought first edition stuff, don'ts feel like everything is Obsolete and a waste. I really like that they took that approach with Mansions of Madness second edition and it was great that they included in upgrade kit automatically in the 2nd edition components. I think it's years off before there's an Eldritch Horror 2nd edition but hopefully they're smart enough to do that otherwise they will get a crazy amount of backlash and also I think they recognize that making it so first edition materials can incorporate into 2nd edition is one of the best ways to get first edition owners 212 upgrade so to speak

But Eldritch Horror and itself was sort of meant to be a quasi replacement or sequel to the first Arkham Horror and with Arkham Horror the living card game out sharing its namesake directly rather than just Arkham Horror files as Mansions of Madness and Eldritch Horror have, I think they really feel like between these two games Arkham Horror original has been replaced and supplanted and I don't think they'll be in a rush to try and supplant them self again

The nature of masks of nyarlathotep sort of being analogous to the final expansion of Arkham Horror could again mean it's the final expansion but it doesn't have to mean that. I'm sure they would be happy to try and surprise people and go against expectations and justify this as sort of a punctuation or way to break up the cycle. It's a cop-out but I give it 50-50 whether this is the final expansion but I really wish and hope they make an Arkham Countryside board expansion.

With future expansions, it would not be too expensive or difficult to include the personal stories of any new characters added at this point. And by doing so, they may feel their encouraging people to go back and buy masks of nyarlathotep to get personal stories for the other characters and the same way there are now two expansions that have Mystic ruins Decks that each supplement each other.

 

 

 

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The owner of my favorite game shop said, that he doesn't think, that the AH LCG necessarily puts an end to EH because, and that is really a good point, they are very different in their game character. EH replaced AH because both were board games and both were quite similar in structure, with EH being the better structured and better designed successor of AH. AH LCG is NOT a replacement of EH, it is a card game and EH is a board game, they are very different, the only common element is the Lovecraftian background. I already saw playthroughs of the LCG, I am definitely not interested in this game and I am quite sure I am not alone. If FFG would stop producing new EH expansions, I will not purchase instead AH LCG as a replacement, I will stop purchasing FFG products. And I will not be alone, not every board gamer also enjoys card games, especially LCGs. 

That#s why I still hope for more EH expansions in the future, EH was not replaced by a better version like AH.

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6 hours ago, GBI said:

The owner of my favorite game shop said, that he doesn't think, that the AH LCG necessarily puts an end to EH because, and that is really a good point, they are very different in their game character. EH replaced AH because both were board games and both were quite similar in structure, with EH being the better structured and better designed successor of AH. AH LCG is NOT a replacement of EH, it is a card game and EH is a board game, they are very different, the only common element is the Lovecraftian background. I already saw playthroughs of the LCG, I am definitely not interested in this game and I am quite sure I am not alone. If FFG would stop producing new EH expansions, I will not purchase instead AH LCG as a replacement, I will stop purchasing FFG products. And I will not be alone, not every board gamer also enjoys card games, especially LCGs. 

That#s why I still hope for more EH expansions in the future, EH was not replaced by a better version like AH.

I don't think anyone has ever thought a living card game could be seen as the reimplementation of a boardgame. AH LCG just replaced the Call of Cthulhu LCG they had in catalogue back in the day.

I also don't think Eldritch replaced Arkham Horror the boardgame. AH had its course: a ton of expansions, and a nice blender at the end that was the perfect topping on a terrific cake. At that point expanding further was unlikely to happen: not in a conventional way at least. To go further, they should have gone a different way, and they decided not to do so. Eldritch is a different game, scratching a different itch, and having different problems than Arkham. Players in love with Eldritch will say it's the best of the two, while players who grew up with Arkham will say Arkham's a better game. Truth is that Arkham Horror: the boardgame is something that's very difficult to beat in terms of market: it came out with the perfect theme at the perfect moment. Now we have tons of games about the Mythos, and in general the hobby is quite a different reality from what it was when AH was released.

Truth is also that at some points these games collapse on themselves: there's just too much content and the "creative space" to expand further becomes narrower. Eldritch at the moment has 8 expansions, with stories covering the most remote corners of the earth, a gazillion AOs and Investigators, so, it has already given to its fans a ton of content. The latest expansion added campaign play which might have been a route for further expansions but that was also very much criticized for many reasons I won't enter into (personal taste or actual bad design, we could spend the night talking about this), and it was also the last expansion designed by Nikki before her departure from the company. So, the question here should be: is this enough? has the game told its story / run its course? and that's it. If there's more stuff that could be added and this reveals for the company more lucrative than pursuing other projects, we'll have more, regardless of LCGs or other boardgames.

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Well my suspicions were correct: Arkham Horror Third Edition

Interestingly, Nikki Valens is on the cover as designer.

Also, and that's why I'm pretty hopeful and excited about the game, it looks different enough from Eldritch Horror for me to warrant a place in my collection.
Plus, I already own Mansions of Madness (some of 1st and 2nd), Arkham Horror the Card Game (2 cycles), The Investigators book... My collection disorder for all that is Arkham (well, most...) is kicking in here. :)

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On 8/2/2018 at 7:26 PM, jvdvalk said:

Well my suspicions were correct: Arkham Horror Third Edition

Interestingly, Nikki Valens is on the cover as designer

 

It was Nikki's last game before leaving. On her Twitter, she posted back in the day we'd have had one more big game from her released by FFG and here we go.

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