3 or 4 MC30's

[Herr Style 205]

Just wondering which would be the best list? I've only 2 MC30's at the moment with a CR90, GR75 flotilla, and for fighters just the core X wings plus R&V.

List 1

FLEET

SHIP: MC30c Torpedo Frigate63

UPGRADESPTS

General Dodonna20

Ordnance Experts4

Assault Proton Torpedoes5

Admonition8

TOTAL POINTS:100

SHIP: MC30c Torpedo Frigate63

UPGRADESPTS

Ordnance Experts4

Assault Proton Torpedoes5

Foresight8

TOTAL POINTS:80

SHIP: MC30c Torpedo Frigate63

UPGRADESPTS

Ordnance Experts4

Assault Proton Torpedoes5

TOTAL POINTS:72

SHIP: MC30c Torpedo Frigate63

UPGRADESPTS

Ordnance Experts4

Assault Proton Torpedoes5

TOTAL POINTS:72

SHIP: GR-75 Medium Transports18

UPGRADESPTS

Comms Net2

TOTAL POINTS:20

 

SQUADRONSPTS

Jan Ors19

X-wing Squadron × 113

X-wing Squadron × 113

TOTAL POINTS:45

OBJECTIVES

ASSAULT:

Close-Range Intel Scan

DEFENSE:

Planetary Ion Cannon

NAVIGATION:

Solar Corona

List 2

FLEET

SHIP: MC30c Torpedo Frigate63

UPGRADESPTS

Ordnance Experts4

Assault Proton Torpedoes5

H9 Turbolasers8

Admonition8

TOTAL POINTS:88

SHIP: MC30c Torpedo Frigate63

UPGRADESPTS

Ordnance Experts4

Assault Proton Torpedoes5

H9 Turbolasers8

Foresight8

TOTAL POINTS:88

SHIP: MC30c Torpedo Frigate63

UPGRADESPTS

Lando Carissian4

Ordnance Experts4

Assault Proton Torpedoes5

TOTAL POINTS:76

SHIP: CR90 Corvette A44

UPGRADESPTS

General Dodonna20

Jaina's Light2

TOTAL POINTS:66

SHIP: GR-75 Medium Transports18

UPGRADESPTS

Expanded Hangar Bay5

TOTAL POINTS:23

 

SQUADRONSPTS

Jan Ors19

X-wing Squadron × 113

X-wing Squadron × 113

X-wing Squadron × 113

TOTAL POINTS:58

OBJECTIVES

ASSAULT:

Targeting Beacons

DEFENSE:

Hyperspace Assault

NAVIGATION:

Solar Corona

[BrobaFett 4,209]

I like the second list. But pick most wanted as your red objective.

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

The first one, but take Shara+ Tycho for squadrons instead, drop Foresight, then use the savings from all that to put Lando on the flagship and get a second GR-75.

Then, change your red and yellow objectives respectively to either Most Wanted, Precision Strike, or Advanced Gunnery; and Hyperspace Assault, Contested Outpost, or Jamming Barrier.

4 MC30's is better than 3 because it decentralizes your threat. You're not depending on any one ship surviving the ingress to the fight because you have overwhelming numbers that are very very hard to kill more than one of that fast. @CaribbeanNinja and I were just discussing this: MC30's are best either 1 or 4 to a fleet.

Foresight is great, but it's a luxury you can't afford here.

Jan/X/X won't live long enough to be a strong tar pit without Jamming Fields, nor are they fast enough to effectively protect the shrimp. You want each MC30 to have full freedom to sprint from point to point on the field as necessary without being tethered to anything. Jan/X/X/X might have the survivability to make their speed vs survivability possibly worthwhile, but Jan/X/X does not.

Lando + Admonition gives you the ability to survive virtually any single shot. That is an immeasurable advantage for your flagship.

[Herr Style 205]

So, either buy one MC30 and have done with it, or buy two, another GR75 and Rebel fighters pack! Urgh, this is as big a money pit as X Wing LOL.

I think my next rebel purchase will be another MC30, but I don't think I'm going to stop there! 

 

Thanks for the advice guys.

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

13 hours ago, Herr Style said:

So, either buy one MC30 and have done with it, or buy two, another GR75 and Rebel fighters pack! Urgh, this is as big a money pit as X Wing LOL.

I think my next rebel purchase will be another MC30, but I don't think I'm going to stop there! 

 

Thanks for the advice guys.

Ah, missed that opening line where you listed what you have, so my advice was strictly informed by what I consider to be optimal listbuilding without consideration for what you have.  I'd definitely take much less of a hard-line stance on it in that light:  either one of those lists will work fine as is, I just think with a few changes you can get the first one to be a really great build.

[Ginkapo 9,321]

13 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

4 MC30's is better than 3 because it decentralizes your threat. You're not depending on any one ship surviving the ingress to the fight because you have overwhelming numbers that are very very hard to kill more than one of that fast. @CaribbeanNinja and I were just discussing this: MC30's are best either 1 or 4 to a fleet.

How did you two get to that conclusion? 2 is a fairly good number as well..... were you assuming second player or something wierd?

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

59 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

How did you two get to that conclusion? 2 is a fairly good number as well..... were you assuming second player or something wierd?

Nah, nothing weird like that, just experience.  It's about weathering the outer defenses of your opponent--whether that be squadrons, ramming, long-range fire, whatever--with enough punch to still kill things. 

With one, you can stack it up with uniques like Admo and Lando to make it harder to kill than it's worth, while still having the points to bring other stuff to follow up the strong opener (or to make a strong anvil for Admo's hammer).

With four, you overwhelm them with numbers.  Even if one goes down on the way in, three getting through are still enough to get the kill on pretty much anything in the game.  And it's challenging enough for the opponent to take one of the four down before it gets its shots in, much less two or three, so you're likely to get those shots.

It's not a hard-and-fast rule, just a rule of thumb we both noticed.

[Herr Style 205]

What speed would you set it as? 3 or maybe even 4? Am thinking of painting them red too, as with the Kult of Speed, "Red ones go faster!"

[Ginkapo 9,321]

4 minutes ago, Herr Style said:

What speed would you set it as? 3 or maybe even 4? Am thinking of painting them red too, as with the Kult of Speed, "Red ones go faster!"

3 gives manueverability. 4 is suicidal

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

19 minutes ago, Herr Style said:

What speed would you set it as? 3 or maybe even 4? Am thinking of painting them red too, as with the Kult of Speed, "Red ones go faster!"

I say two every time and take a nav token on turn every time while you're learning the fleet, until you've learned when to break the rule.

More often, Gink is right that speed 3 is what you actually want.  The problem is that if you haven't correctly evaluated to opponent's fleet and adjusted your deployment well in response, that can get you into real trouble early on in certain matchups like fast bombers, massed TRC90's, ET Liberties, aggressive ISD2's, or fast rogues. 

But it's hard to formulate a hard-and-fast rule for identifying that, and you'll rarely be actually punished for starting at speed 2 and taking a token, so that's my recommendation for people just learning MC30-centric lists.

We can both agree that you rarely want speed 4 at deployment though.

[stonestokes 737]

Given what you already own, I would go with the second list. Here are some thoughts, but take them all with a grain of salt.

• I might drop the Expanded Hangar Bay from the GR-75. If you can find the points, Toryn Farr would be much better there. You lose the ability to activate all of your squadrons in the Ship Phase, but the reroll you get is worth it.
• Dodonna is good for the fleet, but Mon Mothma would be amazing.
• Lando wants to be with Admonition, like @Ardaedhel suggested.
• If you play Rebels a lot, you definitely want to pick up the Rebel Fighter Squadrons expansion pack at some point. It gives you 2 each of X-, Y-, A-, and B-Wings, and 4 of the best named pilots in the game: Wedge, Dutch, Tycho, and Keyan. You will get a lot of mileage out of it. That said, I don't think you necessarily need to get it to make either of these builds work. Jan/X/X/X is a really good fighter screen.
• Adding another GR-75 wouldn't be too bad either. You can drop an MC-30 for another GR-75 and you suddenly have a lot of points to play with.
• Alternatively, you could go to a second CR-90A. (You have a CR-90 expansion pack in addition to the one in the Core set, right?) Dropping the third MC-30 to CR-90a should give you plenty of points to upgrade Dodonna to Mon Mothma.
• If you do manage to squeeze Mon Mothma in there, don't drop Foresight. It is really good with her. A single evade token can completely negate up to 4 damage at medium range! Unless the opponent can lock down both evades or both redirects, you can take a single hit of 16 damage and still limp away. If they get two accuracies, they still need somewhere between 9 and 11 damage to kill you with a single shot (by locking down your two redirects).

[teeseeuu 63]

6 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

4 is suicidal

I think you meant awesome

[Caldias 2,210]

If I am starting as second player, usually I start as speed 2.  First player, speed two or three for taste.  Speed 4 is for edge situations and escaping from traps.

[teeseeuu 63]

50 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Speed 4 is for edge situations and escaping from traps.

Or springing them. I love starting them at 4, but usually at very oblique angles. 

[Norell 1,198]

Too bad you don't have Madine or Mothma. MC30s love those two.

[Herr Style 205]

I do have the Mothma card, but wanted to try Dodonna and APT's first

[Caldias 2,210]

You'll find Mothma's survivability really helps them out.  Madine also is a real asset.  Dodonna is great too, but those ships are so fragile the boost in surviving and maneuverability really helps them.

[Ginkapo 9,321]

4 minutes ago, Caldias said:

You'll find Mothma's survivability really helps them out.  Madine also is a real asset.  Dodonna is great too, but those ships are so fragile the boost in surviving and maneuverability really helps them.

ACKBAR! BE BOLD!

[Herr Style 205]

I did consider torpedo mc30's with enhanced armaments for 3 red, 2 blue and 3 black. On a side note, do they do well if you split your 4 mc30's into pairs to allow pincer movements? Or what's the best tactic? Can't get your ship out shortcut is on my phone screen by the way lol.

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

MC30's are the one ship that really can be used well with any Rebel admiral. I personally use them with Mothma because I feel like I have to (I seem to find all of the bomber lists in every tournament when I don't), but I really enjoy them with Dodonna. Madine is also fun.

Ackbar does work. I actually like him with TRC on the MC30T, but that's mostly for the reactions I get when people see it. Objectively speaking, EA is probably the better choice there, particularly after the TRC nerf.