Neutral character question?

[ozmodon 535]

The logical angle was that if a neutral character alone cannot  chose to use Hero or Villian cards then why does putting  him with a non neutral character make  a bit of difference. 

[ozmodon 535]

I do appreciate the  debate and will attempt to  get my group to play according to what  the  majority  thinks.

[Vineheart01 6,403]

Having him with a Hero enables Hero cards on its own, not paying attention to color whatsoever.

When adding color cards to your deck the ONLY stipulation is "must have a matching color character" - that is, after resolving if your deck is hero or villain based on the characters picked.

Hero enables Hero cards and disables Villain
Villain enables Villain cards and disables Hero
Red enables Red
Yellow enables Yellow
Blue enables Blue
Grey's on switch was superglued on.

There is no interaction between Color and Hero/Villain, period. So as long as Hondu is with a Hero you can add yellow hero cards to your deck. Nothing mentions you need a yellow hero to include yellow hero cards, only A Hero and A Yellow Character, not A Yellow Hero

[yodaman1971 16]

21 hours ago, ozmodon said:

The logical angle was that if a neutral character alone cannot  chose to use Hero or Villian cards then why does putting  him with a non neutral character make  a bit of difference. 

And there's the flaw in the logic. 

 

The rule you are referring to says:  "If a team has ALL neutral characters, its deck cannot contain hero or villain cards".   

The OP situation says the team is a red hero character and a yellow neutral character, so this rule doesn't factor into deckbuilding restrictions because your team isn't just ALL neutral characters

 

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[ozmodon 535]

On 1/20/2018 at 11:07 AM, yodaman1971 said:

And there's the flaw in the logic. 

 

The rule you are referring to says:  "If a team has ALL neutral characters, its deck cannot contain hero or villain cards".   

The OP situation says the team is a red hero character and a yellow neutral character, so this rule doesn't factor into deckbuilding restrictions because your team isn't just ALL neutral characters

 

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Rite, so when you add a Red hero  you now have access to the red hero cards. The Yellow character  doesn't magically  transform it is still neutral 

[ozmodon 535]

If it worked the way everyone is trying to say then they would say that an all neutral team could choose to use  either Hero or Villian  cards.  If I had  a blue, yellow and grey character that were natural. Then I added a blue hero, two of the 4 characters could use blue hero cards that said spot a blue character.  If any of those cards said spot a blue hero character  then only 1 out of the 4 could use it. It isn't a license to convert all characters on your team to hero. No where does it say that.

Edited January 22, 2018 by ozmodon

[Ywingscum 842]

Nah it's as simple as : you have a hero character, unlocks hero cards.  You have a red character, unlocks red cards.  You have a yellow character, unlocks yellow cards.

Edited January 22, 2018 by Ywingscum

[DJRAZZ 56]

Let's be practical here. If by simply adding a yellow neutral, blue or whatever character gives one the ability to not only add that color but also add both hero and villain cards from that color; don't you think that would be incredibly broken. Everyone would run a neutral character.

[gokubb 234]

4 hours ago, ozmodon said:

If it worked the way everyone is trying to say then they would say that an all neutral team could choose to use  either Hero or Villian  cards.  If I had  a blue, yellow and grey character that were natural. Then I added a blue hero, two of the 4 characters could use blue hero cards that said spot a blue character.  If any of those cards said spot a blue hero character  then only 1 out of the 4 could use it. It isn't a license to convert all characters on your team to hero. No where does it say that.

Except the rules specifically say if a team has only neutral characters it cannot have hero or villain cards. This isn’t that difficult to understand. The rules clearly spell out that hero/villain choice is separate from color choice. I have no idea how you could read the rulebook and think different than how everyone else on this thread has replied.

Spotting is something completely different from deck building. I don’t think a single person on this thread thinks spot a blue hero would mean spot a neutral blue character in a hero deck. 

[joshstix 16]

This needs to be shut down.

[ozmodon 535]

If it worked the way I think then how would it be worded?

[Traxlenak 70]

I am really trying to decide if I want to block ozmodon or if I agree with him.

On one side, I could block him, and then I wouldn't have to read anything else by him and continue to facepalm.

On the other side, I could agree with him, and then start accusing everyone I play against of cheating when they use Hero characters and have neutral cards in their deck.  "HEY! Those cards aren't HERO cards!  They are obviously only meant for Red Neutral characters!"

[Buhallin 4,563]

This feels like a lost cause, but what the heck, one more recital.

Page 12, Building a Deck:

• If a team has hero characters, its deck cannot contain villain cards. If a team has villain characters, its deck cannot contain hero cards. If a team has all neutral characters, its deck cannot contain hero or villain cards.
• Blue, Red, and Yellow cards can only be included in the deck if the team includes a character of the matching color.

These are two separate bullet points, and create two independent restrictions.  One applies to including cards based on affiliation (hero/villain).  One applies to including cards of particular colors.  They do not work together to say "You need a yellow hero to include yellow hero cards."

So, let's take an example.  I have Ketsu (Yellow Neutral) and Poe (Red Hero).  I want to include Lothcat and Mouse (Yellow Hero) in my deck.

Bullet 1: Does our team have hero characters?  Yes, so we can't include villain cards.  Do we have villain characters?  Nope, so we can include hero cards.  Are we all neutral?  No.  We pass this.
Bullet 2: Lothcat is a yellow card.  Do I have a yellow character to match it?  Yes.  We pass this.

Lothcat and Mouse is legal.

It's really not that hard - to reiterate, affiliation and color are checked separately.  You have to pass both, but that doesn't merge into a single "Yellow Hero", "Red Neutral" check.

Edited January 23, 2018 by Buhallin

[Traxlenak 70]

4 minutes ago, Buhallin said:

This feels like a lost cause, but what the heck, one more recital.

Page 12, Building a Deck:

• If a team has hero characters, its deck cannot contain villain cards. If a team has villain characters, its deck cannot contain hero cards. If a team has all neutral characters, its deck cannot contain hero or villain cards.
• Blue, Red, and Yellow cards can only be included in the deck if the team includes a character of the matching color.

These are two separate bullet points, and create two independent restrictions.  One applies to including cards based on affiliation (hero/villain).  One applies to including cards of particular colors.  They do not work together to say "You need a yellow hero to include yellow hero cards."

So, let's take an example.  I have Ketsu (Yellow Neutral) and Poe (Red Hero).  I want to include Lothcat and Mouse (Yellow Hero) in my deck.

Bullet 1: Does our team have hero characters?  Yes, so we can't include villain cards.  Do we have villain characters?  Nope, so we can include hero cards.  Are we all neutral?  No.  We pass this.
Bullet 2: Lothcat is a yellow card.  So I have a yellow character to match it?  Yes.  We pass this.

Hit and Run is legal.

It's really not that hard - to reiterate, affiliation and color are checked separately.  You have to pass both, but that doesn't merge into a single "Yellow Hero", "Red Neutral" check.

You are a gentleman and a scholar

[ozmodon 535]

Hey guys, I'm just playing Devils advocate so I can show this down at the game store where I play.

 I do appreciate  all of the posts.

Edited January 24, 2018 by ozmodon