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If a player using a card to search their deck for a card and take it into hand, such as with Lightsaber Pull, can they choose to not find a card, even if there is one in their deck?

If they are required to take one if there is one there, and they say they do not find one, is there a procedure to verify?

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Officially, when you resolve an ability you do as much as you can.

In this instance, a lot of people, myself included, think that means if you have one in your deck you have to reveal it and shuffle you deck. If your opponent plays it and doesn't reveal one, you should call a judge to check.

Other people are arguing that to "search" doesn't mean you have to find one. You fulfill the search just by looking through your deck.

Realistically there are only a handful of scenarios where playing the card to find nothing is beneficial. 

So unless they update the RRG, there's nothing that really handles this situation other than the spirit of "do as much as you can."

 

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There are cards that let you see the top of a deck, so a reshuffle can be good. This isn't magic and using magic rules don't apply here. So in the other game you can search and find nothing, here you do what the card says. There is no 'May' on that card.

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Lukas is a WotC employee now, so no, you don't ask him. The rules do state you do as much as you can, so you find a blue weapon if there is one, and put it into your hand. If there is no weapon to be found, that is find as well.

The real issue here is - is there or isn't there a weapon to be found? You kind of have to take their word for it which is why other games make finding something optional rather than give the opponent a quick look through of the entire deck. FFG doesn't seem to have issue with a players deck list being made available, so this isn't a hang up for them. BTW you won't ever get official rulings here. You'll have to submit the question through their customer service.

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2 hours ago, futantshadow said:

It is pointless to speculate, what we need is an official ruling.  How do we go about getting that? From FFG? Or Lukas?

Mep is pretty much taking the rules and telling you what they are, he isn't speculating at all.

If you want to get a ruling go all the way down and find the contact us, follow that link and keep and eye out for the rules question link.

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1 hour ago, ozmodon said:

If you play the card then it isn't an option. The card would say (may) in the text if it was.

But if the player doesn't reveal a blue weapon (like saying there isn't one there) is there a verification procedure?

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21 minutes ago, futantshadow said:

But if the player doesn't reveal a blue weapon (like saying there isn't one there) is there a verification procedure?

If it's a tournament I would call a judge over and make them watch the rest of the game or look at his deck and hand.

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36 minutes ago, futantshadow said:

But if the player doesn't reveal a blue weapon (like saying there isn't one there) is there a verification procedure?

Point out the rules and just allow your opponent to double check.

Then it becomes a judgement call, if you aren't sure and want to check ask the judge over.

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quoted from jeremy

 

"If you play Lightsaber Pull and have a Blue weapon in your deck, you must reveal it and add it to your hand. If you have no Blue weapons in your deck, an opponent can call a judge to verify. "

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