Snoke worst move villain? (Spoilers)

[Animewarsdude 3,639]

22 hours ago, Conandoodle said:

Kylo made up the story about Rey's parents. Her real parents are the main characters from BAttleFront 2 Campaign. Lock it in.

Prequels fell down by having a new bad guy every episode. Darth Maul .. Awesome. Wait, he died. Oh, who is this old guy tha has just shown up? Nevermind, he died. Wait, who is this now? An asthmatic cyborg? What the actual f...? And he's just popped out of nowhere? I truly hope Snope isn't replaced in Ep 9.

Dooku and Maul at least got more development through Clone Wars and Rebels, maybe Snoke will too, but yea the worst villain going by the films is Snoke. Maul? He at least had a cool fight scene. Dooku, he at least had some presence due to his actor. Greivous, he looked cool and well I might be a little biased since he was amazing in the original 2D Clone Wars. Krenic, he was okay or should the main villain for RO be Tarkin? Vader, one of the best film villains of all time. Palpatine, had menace. Kylo, was interesting and probably the best thing to do when everyone is expecting a new better vader, give them a vader wannabee. Snoke, he uh, sits there so I guess that is a thing...

[JJ48 7,102]

1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:

Hmmm... I'd disagree.  The Imperial officers in IV, V and VI showed the Empire as a large, complex, bureaucratic organisation with ruthless internal politics.  This was totally epitomised by the interactions between Tarkin and Krennic in Rogue One, but was hinted at much earlier in the series, such as with Motti's talking down to Vader (and subsequent Force choke) in A New Hope.

They had subtle yet complex interactions during the story - certainly more more effective contributions to the story - then the First Order officers in VII and VIII.

Take Piett, for example.  He brings forward the location of the Rebel base on Hoth, is brushed off by Ozzil, then promoted in Ozzil's stead when he makes a second egregious error in a short space of time.  Piett survives at the end of Empire Strikes Back where his fellow officers died, as Vader assumes responsibility for the escape of the Falcon himself.  He goes on to command the Executor in Return of the Jedi (and be blamed for it's destruction in Battlefield II).

Or Veers.  Veers attempts to defend Ozzil's reckless approach to Vader, before leading the successful ground assault on Hoth.  He takes down the shield generators, allowing Vader to storm the base.

Needa tracks down the Falcon in the asteroid field, and is outwitted when it escapes.  He then shows a touch of honour as he accepts responsibility by personally apologizing to Vader (unfortunately for him, the gesture proves futile).

Now, while I will admit to being somewhat harsh on the First Order officers, the fact remains that in terms of characterisation and impact they don't match up to the officers seen in the original trilogy.  By the time The Last Jedi ends, Hux is little more than a caricature.  Poor Gwendoline gets to say a few lines, but does nothing of significance apart from lose a fight with Finn.  At least the Imperial officers showed a bit of personality, aptitude and had a couple of notable successes.

I'd probably accept ranking Motti, Jerjerrod and maybe Ozzil below the First Order's officers, but not the rest.  And that's only because Jerjerrod's defining scenes were cut.

I've always rather liked Piett, for some reason.  (Part of it may have been that I tended to play Dark Side in Decipher's CCG, and Admiral Piett did pretty well with the capital ships I loved so much.)

I also rather liked the dreadnaught captain in TLJ (did we ever find out his name?), even if I do rather question the First Order's tactical decision to station all their ships far enough away from each other that none of them can offering supporting fire on the single, slow-moving target after a single fighter took out every single one of the dreadnaught's guns.

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

1 minute ago, JJ48 said:

I also rather liked the dreadnaught captain in TLJ (did we ever find out his name?

Yeah, he's pretty much the only First Order officer we've seen so far to show any kind of comoetence.  It was a shame he had such a brief role

[JJ48 7,102]

1 minute ago, FTS Gecko said:

Yeah, he's pretty much the only First Order officer we've seen so far to show any kind of comoetence.  It was a shame he had such a brief role

I just found it really odd that the rest of the navy just sat back and watched everything unfold.  I mean, yes, the dreadnaught is clearly the most powerful ship in the fleet, but doesn't that just mean the rest of the fleet should be supporting it all the more?

It's like in WW2, if an aircraft carrier came under attack and all the cruisers and destroyers just sat a couple miles away, "Wow.  They're really taking a beating.  Too bad they don't have ships with tons of AA and anti-submarine equipment to help them out."

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29 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

I just found it really odd that the rest of the navy just sat back and watched everything unfold.  I mean, yes, the dreadnaught is clearly the most powerful ship in the fleet, but doesn't that just mean the rest of the fleet should be supporting it all the more?

It's like in WW2, if an aircraft carrier came under attack and all the cruisers and destroyers just sat a couple miles away, "Wow.  They're really taking a beating.  Too bad they don't have ships with tons of AA and anti-submarine equipment to help them out."

TLJ's handling of space combat was just abysmal.

They introduce a space bomber, which has to MAXIMIZE its time over target (something a bomber DOES. NOT. WANT. TO. DO.) by not giving it the capability to launch its ordinance FORWARD. Oh, and if you blow up ONE bomber, you knock out the entire formation from the splash damage.

Apparently Raddus's shields are incapable of keeping a TIE fighter outside the ship, allowing Kylo Ren to fly INSIDE THE LAUNCH TUBES to torpedo the hangar. Even Arvel Krynyd's A-wing only managed to do the damage it did because Executor's bridge deflectors failed.

I'm STILL looking for an explanation on how the First Order's turbolasers were CURVING.

And why has no one in the Sequel Trilogy remembered the Falcon has a TOP turret? Especially when the pilots love to hug the deck and take away most of the lower turret's arc of fire.

Star Wars may never have paid as much attention to the science as Star Trek, but at least when you look at the ships of the OT they make SOME sort of sense.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Ambaryerno

[JJ48 7,102]

1 minute ago, Ambaryerno said:

I'm STILL looking for an explanation on how the First Order's turbolasers were CURVING.

A lot of black holes in that sector?

[Ambaryerno 399]

Just now, JJ48 said:

A lot of black holes in that sector?

More like, and to quote Tom Servo, "They just didn't care."

[JJ48 7,102]

Just now, Ambaryerno said:

More like, and to quote Tom Servo, "They just didn't care."

Just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show; I should really just relax."

[Ambaryerno 399]

14 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show; I should really just relax."

My favorite part is how they caught the Resistance in the middle of evacuating the base...so proceeded to bombard THE BASE and not the Resistance fleet that all the transports are skedaddling to. The base ain't going anywhere. Take out Raddus and her consorts FIRST, and THEN glass the surface at your leisure to mop up.

Plot...so...forced...!

Edited January 8, 2018 by Ambaryerno

[Robin Graves 6,054]

9 hours ago, Trghpu1994 said:

Nice list. Captain Phasma was mostly useless.  Why would you pick out bright and reflective armor to make you stand out on a battlefield??

Since she's pretty much immortal (seriously how did she survive Starkillerbase exploding?) she's not to worried. She's like Kenny from South park

 

[Robin Graves 6,054]

1 hour ago, Ambaryerno said:

My favorite part is how they caught the Resistance in the middle of evacuating the base...so proceeded to bombard THE BASE and not the Resistance fleet that all the transports are skedaddling to. The base ain't going anywhere. Take out Raddus and her consorts FIRST, and THEN glass the surface at your leisure to mop up.

Plot...so...forced...!

They were trying to hit the ships

 

 

 

[Robin Graves 6,054]

1 hour ago, Ambaryerno said:

My favorite part is how they caught the Resistance in the middle of evacuating the base...so proceeded to bombard THE BASE and not the Resistance fleet that all the transports are skedaddling to. The base ain't going anywhere. Take out Raddus and her consorts FIRST, and THEN glass the surface at your leisure to mop up.

Plot...so...forced...!

The actual reason is: Finn was on board one of those ships, and his  lvl 20 Plot armor proteced them. Think about it: the resistance only starts loosings ships once Finn is away.

 

Edited January 8, 2018 by Robin Graves

[Ambaryerno 399]

4 minutes ago, Robin Graves said:

The actual reason is: Finn was on board one of those ships, and his  lvl 20 Plot armor proteced them. Think about it: the resistance only starts loosings ships once Finn is away.

 

The first explanation was more accurate, I think. ;-)

[Trghpu1994 56]

TFOs incompetence is rather impressive. Snoke just kind of personifies their issues. Did Hux really believe Rey slaughtered all of those people and beat kylo alone??? Could Yoda have even pulled that off? Surely there are security cameras onboard. But I'm sure episode 9 won't deal with it. If Snoke returns with octo legs I may just walk out of the theater

[Animewarsdude 3,639]

5 hours ago, Trghpu1994 said:

TFOs incompetence is rather impressive. Snoke just kind of personifies their issues. Did Hux really believe Rey slaughtered all of those people and beat kylo alone??? Could Yoda have even pulled that off? Surely there are security cameras onboard. But I'm sure episode 9 won't deal with it. If Snoke returns with octo legs I may just walk out of the theater

What if he had ape legs? "Sith no kill Sith." Andy Sirkis is playing him afterall.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

11 hours ago, Trghpu1994 said:

TFOs incompetence is rather impressive. Snoke just kind of personifies their issues. Did Hux really believe Rey slaughtered all of those people and beat kylo alone??? Could Yoda have even pulled that off? Surely there are security cameras onboard. But I'm sure episode 9 won't deal with it. If Snoke returns with octo legs I may just walk out of the theater

Gotta give Huggs err I mean Hux, credit here. You don't argue with (Wannabee) sith lords/ angry force users. He's like, sure Kylo whatever you say! (Plus I think he's secretly glad he's not in command of the entire first order.)

Also, am I the only one who thinks that Snoke's body guards were harder than him?

[Trghpu1994 56]

6 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

What if he had ape legs? "Sith no kill Sith." Andy Sirkis is playing him afterall.

While they're at it, give him a head that doesn't look like a butt and a personality.

[Trghpu1994 56]

6 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

What if he had ape legs? "Sith no kill Sith." Andy Sirkis is playing him afterall.

While they're at it, give him a head that doesn't look like a butt and a personality.

[Trghpu1994 56]

33 minutes ago, Robin Graves said:

Gotta give Huggs err I mean Hux, credit here. You don't argue with (Wannabee) sith lords/ angry force users. He's like, sure Kylo whatever you say! (Plus I think he's secretly glad he's not in command of the entire first order.)

Also, am I the only one who thinks that Snoke's body guards were harder than him?

Those body guards were intense. 

[Robin Graves 6,054]

7 hours ago, Trghpu1994 said:

Those body guards were intense. 

Yeah I'd be like: "Wellp you killed the boss. I got nothing left to do here." Then again if I had a weapon that's a combination of lightsaber and Ivy Valentine's sword-whip, I'd wanna use it to.

Here cometh the pain.

[JJ48 7,102]

14 minutes ago, Robin Graves said:

Yeah I'd be like: "Wellp you killed the boss. I got nothing left to do here." Then again if I had a weapon that's a combination of lightsaber and Ivy Valentine's sword-whip, I'd wanna use it to.

Here cometh the pain.

I'm not familiar with that character, so my first thought was of Jean Reno's character in Onimusha 3.

[DeathstarII 1,164]

17 minutes ago, Robin Graves said:

Yeah I'd be like: "Wellp you killed the boss. I got nothing left to do here." Then again if I had a weapon that's a combination of lightsaber and Ivy Valentine's sword-whip, I'd wanna use it to.

Here cometh the pain.

 

1 minute ago, JJ48 said:

I'm not familiar with that character, so my first thought was of Jean Reno's character in Onimusha 3.

I actually just thought of the light-whips from legends

[Robin Graves 6,054]

5 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

I'm not familiar with that character, so my first thought was of Jean Reno's character in Onimusha 3.

She's from Soul Calibur. She's famous for having a sword that can turn into a metal whip... and wearing outfits that are almost NSFW.

[Trghpu1994 56]

6 hours ago, DeathstarII said:

 

I actually just thought of the light-whips from legends

Those weapons are awesome.

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On 1/7/2018 at 11:36 AM, FTS Gecko said:

I think Snoke's up there with the absolute worst, not just in Star Wars but in the entirety of cinematic history.  I mean seriously, the guy did nothing but sit in a chair, monologue and grandstand until his demise.  He was literally nothing more than a parody.

You mean like the Emperor in Return of the Jedi?  Before the prequels came out?

Sorry about destroying your entire argument there