Dubs 11 Poe-Han

[Tbetts94 2,401]

Faced Nym/PS11 Dengar. Blacked One Nym’s TL first engagement and was kinda over from there. 

[Tbetts94 2,401]

Han Solo (46)
Trick Shot (0)
Rey (2)
C-3PO (3)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Intensity (2)
BB-8 (2)
Comm Relay (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 99

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Thinking about tweaking it to be more fun at CAC if I take it.

[YourHucklebrry 110]

Lots of debate about Poe, so I thought I'd add a new thought about Han.

 

Han Solo — YT-1300	46
Veteran Instincts	1
Ezra Bridger	3
Maul	3
Engine Upgrade	4
Ship Total: 57

It has shades of the old Predator Han and I think of it as a sort of pseudo-Lothal/Fenn. Same PS 11 big base boost, Maul/Ezra mods, lots of health to get through. On the downside, no double action from Coordinate, no Sensor Jammer, x2 TLT or Fenn/HotCop. But Han does have a few advantages: he's just one ship so you can't play the isolation game like you need to with Lothal/Fenn; you've got Han's ability when you really wiff on the reds; no range 1 side bubble; and, of course, a whole 43 points left for your wingman, aka whatever Poe you want.

[Tbetts94 2,401]

4 hours ago, YourHucklebrry said:

Lots of debate about Poe, so I thought I'd add a new thought about Han.

 

Han Solo — YT-1300	46
Veteran Instincts	1
Ezra Bridger	3
Maul	3
Engine Upgrade	4
Ship Total: 57

It has shades of the old Predator Han and I think of it as a sort of pseudo-Lothal/Fenn. Same PS 11 big base boost, Maul/Ezra mods, lots of health to get through. On the downside, no double action from Coordinate, no Sensor Jammer, x2 TLT or Fenn/HotCop. But Han does have a few advantages: he's just one ship so you can't play the isolation game like you need to with Lothal/Fenn; you've got Han's ability when you really wiff on the reds; no range 1 side bubble; and, of course, a whole 43 points left for your wingman, aka whatever Poe you want.

I like this idea a lot. Would like to see it in practice. But yeah, you use Han’s Predator tactic and get a focus change like Luke Crew would do. No Gunner effect, but a much cheaper Han than that old Predator Han was.

 

Edit: just saw, no evade title :/ hmm. Not as thrilled, maybe Adapt Han or VI PS8 Poe to save some points

Edited March 30, 2018 by Tbetts94

[YourHucklebrry 110]

With the 43 pts you have to play with I think you could easily justify taking the evade title, I definitely hummed and hawed over it myself. I ended up dropping it because, a) I wanted the points, b) defence is more based on arc-dodging/range control w/ PS 11 boost, c) I think it has less value when it isn't stacked with C-3PO, d) a focus makes your offence even more consistent while still offering a small chance to bump your greens.

I've only had one game with it but early returns are good. Poe is Poe and this Han hits very, very hard. I'm going to keep at it and see if it has legs.

[Tbetts94 2,401]

1 hour ago, YourHucklebrry said:

With the 43 pts you have to play with I think you could easily justify taking the evade title, I definitely hummed and hawed over it myself. I ended up dropping it because, a) I wanted the points, b) defence is more based on arc-dodging/range control w/ PS 11 boost, c) I think it has less value when it isn't stacked with C-3PO, d) a focus makes your offence even more consistent while still offering a small chance to bump your greens.

I've only had one game with it but early returns are good. Poe is Poe and this Han hits very, very hard. I'm going to keep at it and see if it has legs.

Yeah I like it. I wanna try it. Title I think is crucial though. 

[YourHucklebrry 110]

24 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:

Yeah I like it. I wanna try it. Title I think is crucial though. 

Sweet, lemme know how you find it. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the number of times I miss the evade title.

[Tbetts94 2,401]

Haven’t tried the Maul version yet, went back to the original version with 3PO/Rey & R2-D2. Was able to beat Kylo Boats last night, first game I only lost 2 shields on Han after I killed both Boats. Second game Han was pretty injured and Poe blanked out turn before to lose his shields when the game state came to Han/Poe versus 3 health Kylo. We called it cuz store was closing. Could had gone either way. I think if I don’t go all in on Kylo the next turn and kill him there I lose on time. He could kill Han and run. So my best bet would had talon rolled Poe to Range 1 and bring Han to Range 2 with Evade/ Focus PS0, but he wouldn’t had been able to get Kylo in arc. Poe would have expected to do a damage to Kylo, 50% chance to make him spend a focus. Han would had expected a damage onto Kylo if Kylo had no focus. So Kylo would had maybe been on 1 and probably escaped. I’d be looking to beat the odds that last turn.

 

Anyways, after endless debates with myself, finally decided on PS11 Han/Poe for CAC. I have the most experience with it and have had very limited playing time compared to before. I’m just glad I finally get to go to a tournament again!!

Edited April 4, 2018 by Tbetts94

[Tbetts94 2,401]

One crew that's been creeping in my mind recently to test after CAC is Rex Crew. Supply Rey up at the beginning like normal, but not be afraid to spend the focus on offense as much with Rex supplying it back and Rey storing it. Any thoughts? Yes, C-3PO is gone, but now your PS11's finally have that 1 point bid.

[YourHucklebrry 110]

It's a bit of a catch 22 w/ Rex and Rey crews. If you spend the Rey focus more freely you'll hit more often and trigger Rex less often and if you're more conservative you'll trigger Rex more often for focuses you don't need since you aren't spending Rey's. It amplifies the extremes rather than giving the moderating effect I think you're going for.

[Tbetts94 2,401]

Just beat Nym/Sol on Vassal, here’s the info and the Vlog file. I got pretty lucky.

 

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/league_match?match_id=8150

[Tbetts94 2,401]

2-0 in Vassal league so far. Just finished my second game. Played against Rey/Poe.

 

http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/league_match?match_id=8146

[Tbetts94 2,401]

https://imgur.com/a/MR96x

 

Ready for CAC tomorrow!

[Tbetts94 2,401]

Went undefeated up until last round at CAC where I lost to Ron (who won SoCal Regional). He had Miranda/Fenn/Low. Lost the initiative roll and was kinda it. 

 

Day was fun, glad I could go 5-1, especially since I haven’t been able to go to tournaments in awhile. Also I finally beat “Budget” Nathan  so that’s a plus. 

 

So in any sort of competition I’ve had this year with the list (Hanger Bay in January at Glendale: 3-0, Vassal League: 2-0, CAC: 5-1) I’ve gone a total of 10-1. Ain’t bad, ain’t bad at all.

Edited April 8, 2018 by Tbetts94

[BlodVargarna 4,041]

@Tbetts94 Congrats on the record with the list. Have you tried BB8 with Poe?

[Tbetts94 2,401]

4 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

@Tbetts94 Congrats on the record with the list. Have you tried BB8 with Poe?

I like the Intensity/BB-8/Comm Relay Poe, but did not like the VI/BB-8 Poe when I tried it. I feel Poe needs some sort of Regen with either Comm Relay or R2-D2.

[Tbetts94 2,401]

I feel the list has a fairly good matchup versus Palp Aces. 

 

I beat Budget with him playing Yorr, QD, OL. I’ve also beat @Crimsonwarlock (Top 4 SoCal) tonight.

 

Still haven’t played against the Ghost. I feel it will struggle against PS11 Fenn Rau though. 

[Tbetts94 2,401]

Getting Han painted in Black One style  

[Tbetts94 2,401]

Han Solo (46)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Rey (2)
C-3PO (3)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Intensity (2)
BB-8 (2)
Primed Thrusters (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 98

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I've been testing this out. Have had some success with it after I went through some initial losses trying to get use to this new Poe. The altered Poe allows for a 2 point bid for Han which beats out any VI Quickdraw or VI Fenn list out there. As you can see in the chart above provided by the Krayts, average bid is close to 1 point, which I just can't afford with both being PS11. If I keep Poe at PS11, they'd both be moving second either way. The rest of the meta tends to be PS9 and the two point bid tends to win out on that with the average bid being 1 point. Nym is in the meta, however, I think I've finally come up with a good strategy versus Trajectory Nym. This Poe also has the maneuverability to be unpredictable and get out of arc that way instead of the predictable regen Poe. This Poe also has a fighting chance versus RACLo. I'm going to give it some more practice and may be running it for RAGEionals in San Diego.

2 of my games were recorded this last weekend. 1 win and 1 loss. The win I felt I played as best as I could, whereas, the loss I lost it on turn zero. I'll probably be doing the commentary on them, so I can go through my thought process and show the exact moment I knew I lost the game. Hint, its before dials were even set lol.

Edited May 9, 2018 by Tbetts94

[Tbetts94 2,401]

Its finished!!

[ForceM 1,456]

On 1/5/2018 at 3:47 PM, AT Leader said:

 

This is my primary concern with this list. Poe does ok, but can Han consistently push through enough damage to justify his points. The original Fat Han build had Predator to allow for a single re-roll. Keep us updated as I am sure a lot of people are interested in this list.

This is why Rey sees so much play on the Falcon now. With VI or Expertise, she seems to be more consistent on the damage side.

[Tbetts94 2,401]

4 hours ago, ForceM said:

This is why Rey sees so much play on the Falcon now. With VI or Expertise, she seems to be more consistent on the damage side.

Versus the current meta I haven’t had any problems pushing damage through. If I faced triple X7 Defenders, sure, but I really only gotta kill 2. In tournament play I’m 13-2. 2 losses were against Miranda/Low/Fenn which I lost the roll on initiative which made it close to impossible and the other one was double deci’s which I made the mistake on turn zero. 

 

With Han if I’m facing like a standard Poe or Inquisitor out of arc, I don’t spend unless I get 3 hits and just Han everything. As long as you know the math, you can bank those Rey’s and save them when you really need that shot.

[gennataos 5,873]

8 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

Its finished!!

Holy ****, that's great.  I've historically been a Rey fan, but you may be turning me around enough to try this.

[Tbetts94 2,401]

42 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Holy ****, that's great.  I've historically been a Rey fan, but you may be turning me around enough to try this.

Gotta try it!

 

Plus the archetype will probably carry forward to 2.0, Han/Wedge looks like it will be pretty good. That 2.0 Luke Crew is ridiculously good. 

[ForceM 1,456]

16 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

Gotta try it!

 

Plus the archetype will probably carry forward to 2.0, Han/Wedge looks like it will be pretty good. That 2.0 Luke Crew is ridiculously good. 

It might, but then you will have to spend points on a crew that’s mainly for pointing your turret in the right direction, unlike now where you have crew that makes your ship more efficient.

Also the Falcon looks weaker if they stick to not adding dice results. That extra mitigation from evading wit the title was pretty valuable.