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R1, IV, VI, V, VII, I, III, TLJ, II

There's a little flexibility to move a few here and there - RotJ gets a lot of nostalgia points for me, as does episode 1 (but I think it has a lot of good that gets ignored too). I suspect that my proximity to having seen them.affects the precise placement. But the basics are probably right - Rogue 1 is solidly at the top these days, woth the OT in some order immediately behind it. 7 and 1 follow, probably in that order. 3 is defensible, TLJ and AotC are pretty bad, generally.

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III, R1, V, VIII, IV, I, VII, VI, II  --------------------------- Then the travesty that is the Ewok movies, I only could make it through one on 1.5x speed because it is the worst thing I have ever seen. Hahaha

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I may have posted earlier but with the new movie, and I'll just rank the series movie leaving Rogue One out (which is clearly one of the best, I'll say:

Star Wars

The Empire Strikes Back

The Last Jedi

The Force Awakens

Return of the Jedi

Attack of the Clones

Revenge of the Sith

The Phantom Menace

(Rogue One would go right after The Empire Strikes back and probably a tie with The Last Jedi)

Also note for me the distance between The Force Awakens and Return of the Jedi is quite vast, and separates for me what are good films period from films people saw because they like Star Wars.

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13 hours ago, Zazaa said:

Those original films were excellent and all those "newest" too at some degree, but y'all know that e1,2&3 were shame for film making.

As much as those films sucked I don't think they are as bad as the Hobbit movies. You know where Peter Jackson saw all the outrage over the Star Wars Prequels then told G. Lucas to hold his beer.

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5 hours ago, Lobokai said:

Amazing how much Rogue One, Phantom Menace, and Force Awakens bounces around on people’s lists. 

It's because Rogue One is the sole film in the series that does something different.  For the fans who appreciated that it was a war adventure film in the vein of The Dirty Dozen, but ported into the Star Wars universe, they like it.  They realize that war movies don't need supremely developed characters because what is important that the characters are recognizable as being the protagonists, they all have some motivation (or compulsion) to be on the mission, and that we should root for them on their mission.  That's clearly established in Rogue One, especially given how many parallels there are between WW2 and Star Wars there are intrinsically, especially the easy identification of who is on the side of Good, and who is Evil.  Rogue One hits a lot of classic war movie notes, and you have all kinds of classic war movie archetypes like the character released from prison to serve, and the character with a troubled past. I mean, they basically recruit the Star Wars Dirty Dozens as the commandos on Scarif. 

 

Most of the criticism of Rogue One that comes from Star Wars fans are by people who didn't like that it isn't about Jedi and lightsabers.  And that's fine.  Not everybody likes war movies.  But I see a lot of criticism about the film having the gall to not use Darth Vader as the principle villain. As if the Star Wars mythos is so weak that it can't tell stories with new characters.  If you've ever said to yourself "Star Wars is about the Skywalkers" then you need to realize that it might be a preference, but it's not a valid criticism of Rogue One, lol.

 

I was actually considering this at one point in the last few days since TLJ came out.  Everybody worried about Rogue One because of the reshoots, thinking "Oh no! What's wrong with Rogue One that it needs all these reshoots?"  After watching The Last Jedi, I'm willing to bet if we ever saw what was supposed to be the original cut of Rogue One, there was nothing wrong with it, and Disney just decided it wasn't funny enough and needed more Darth Vader and new toys (hence the TIE Striker since we clearly saw at some point a completed FX shot was made of a TIE Fighter on the surface at Scarif).  Disney was probably the problem with Rogue One, lol.

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13 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

As much as those films sucked I don't think they are as bad as the Hobbit movies. You know where Peter Jackson saw all the outrage over the Star Wars Prequels then told G. Lucas to hold his beer.

Funny as this is...

...nothing is as bad as those prequels.  They are distantly down the list from The Hobbit movies.

You want to go bad?  You want to go below The Phantom Menace?

Watch the first Dungeons and Dragons movie.  Actually don't.  That's a torture beyond comprehension.

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5 hours ago, Lobokai said:

Amazing how much Rogue One, Phantom Menace, and Force Awakens bounces around on people’s lists. 

For the Force Awakens, the Opening Act is brilliant, it is one of the best openings in almost the entire series. (Minus Empire Strikes Back.) Act II was mediocre and the 3rd Act was just plain bad. 

The Phantom Menace is not that bad. However, it has some really really bad parts to it. If you are able to over look the parts it is decent enough, but if you get caught on them it is horrible.

Rogue One, I am still trying to figure out what people hate about it. The plot hole with C-3PO and R2-D2?

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Rotten Tomatoes list in Audience Score order as of 18 Dec 2017:

97% Empire Strikes Back

96% A New Hope

94% Return of the Jedi

88% The Force Awakens

87% Rogue One

65% Revenge of the Sith

59% The Phantom Menace

57% Attack of the Clones

56% The Last Jedi

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3 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

For the Force Awakens, the Opening Act is brilliant,

I was cringing at the lines given in the opening, sorry. The whole balance to the force thing spoken as though it were unnatural. A script with no understanding and feeling. I did like the movie, but there were lines scattered throughout that just hurt.

4 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

The Phantom Menace is not that bad.

It's pretty bad. The core story wasn't but the execution was pretty bad.

6 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

Rogue One, I am still trying to figure out what people hate about it. The plot hole with C-3PO and R2-D2?

The plot hole was a 'whoopsie' moment, but I doubt that was it. The first act jumping around quickly to each character, that you really don't know or care about, was a bit much for a lot of people I've spoken to. The biggest complaint being they never found themselves caring about the characters at all through the remainder of the film being the clincher. I really liked Rogue One, but I can understand those particular arguments as to why somebody else may not.

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6 hours ago, Lobokai said:

Amazing how much Rogue One, Phantom Menace, and Force Awakens bounces around on people’s lists. 

Phantom Menace is easy to understand. Either you found the memes hilarious enough to enjoy past the hate/suffering the movie caused, or you did not.

Rogue One baffles me. The film had so much unrealized potential because it introduced the seedier sides of the rebellion (both Cassian's wetwork and Saw's extremist movement, even going down to give Saw a breathing impediment to link him thematically to Darth Vader), but apart from Krennic getting horribly exploited and discarded by an uncaring empire and Tudyck being Tudyck, I have never been so bored. We got a boatload of heroes and basically none of them had the screen-time necessary to unpack, getting their character development  by watching things happen or not at all. 

I understand that it wasn't exactly as stupidly contrived as the new trilogy thus far, but Jesus Christ I'd sit through Last Jedi's goddamned casino a thousand times before I suffered through basically anything pre-scarrif that didn't have forest whitaker's hilarious delivery. Everything's such a dreary slog where the main cast accomplishes very little of consequence. Even when Scariff finally happens, there's so much goddamn fighting (peppered with the boring fetch quests that Bodhi, Baze and Donnie Yen need to accomplish because the movie had nothing better for them to do) that it just got so rote.

Plus, instead of stupid contrivance, we get some pointlessly stupid bull like Red 5 the random hentai monster and the dangling-keys-in-front-of-a-cat references to the OT

If all the run-time devoted to a ***-numbing first half and excessive fighting had been spent on developing a smaller but stronger central cast of characters, we might've had the most engrossing Star Wars movie to date.

As is, though, I find there's roughly twenty minute movie within that waste of time, consisting of just the Krennic scenes (especially his death, easily the highlight of the movie for me) with Tarkin and Vader following suit.

Which is really sad, because I would have loved nothing more than to see the story of how a dysfunctional, fractured rebellion came together as an alliance because of the heroic efforts of a few memorable heroes. Instead, I got some funny line delivery, a lot of dicking around in Saw's hideout or on a U-wing, a lot of pointless action, and one truly **** awful speech

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36 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Phantom Menace is easy to understand. Either you found the memes hilarious enough to enjoy past the hate/suffering the movie caused, or you did not.

Rogue One baffles me. The film had so much unrealized potential because it introduced the seedier sides of the rebellion (both Cassian's wetwork and Saw's extremist movement, even going down to give Saw a breathing impediment to link him thematically to Darth Vader), but apart from Krennic getting horribly exploited and discarded by an uncaring empire and Tudyck being Tudyck, I have never been so bored. We got a boatload of heroes and basically none of them had the screen-time necessary to unpack, getting their character development  by watching things happen or not at all. 

I understand that it wasn't exactly as stupidly contrived as the new trilogy thus far, but Jesus Christ I'd sit through Last Jedi's goddamned casino a thousand times before I suffered through basically anything pre-scarrif that didn't have forest whitaker's hilarious delivery. Everything's such a dreary slog where the main cast accomplishes very little of consequence. Even when Scariff finally happens, there's so much goddamn fighting (peppered with the boring fetch quests that Bodhi, Baze and Donnie Yen need to accomplish because the movie had nothing better for them to do) that it just got so rote.

Plus, instead of stupid contrivance, we get some pointlessly stupid bull like Red 5 the random hentai monster and the dangling-keys-in-front-of-a-cat references to the OT

If all the run-time devoted to a ***-numbing first half and excessive fighting had been spent on developing a smaller but stronger central cast of characters, we might've had the most engrossing Star Wars movie to date.

As is, though, I find there's roughly twenty minute movie within that waste of time, consisting of just the Krennic scenes (especially his death, easily the highlight of the movie for me) with Tarkin and Vader following suit.

Which is really sad, because I would have loved nothing more than to see the story of how a dysfunctional, fractured rebellion came together as an alliance because of the heroic efforts of a few memorable heroes. Instead, I got some funny line delivery, a lot of dicking around in Saw's hideout or on a U-wing, a lot of pointless action, and one truly **** awful speech

At least there weren't any Ewoks or a ******* Muppet show. Lol

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8 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

In terms of preference (not which is necessarily the best):

RotJ (I like the duel and the emotional catharsis) > ESB > TFA > ANH > TLJ = R1 (about tied, I'd need to see TLJ again to be sure) >> [very big gap] >> TPM > [gap] > AotC > RotS

Swap AotC and RotS and I think that’s my order too. AotC is one of the worst films I’ve ever sat through. 

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1 minute ago, acesandeights said:

At least there weren't any Ewoks or a ******* Muppet show.

see, I was thinking about that

I think I'd almost rather be angry at a movie than just bored out of my mind. anger is a very productive emotional response! (although I do draw the line at Jarjar's worthless bull when he's prepping anakin's pod, that's just insulting)

but ultimately, I think I'd ultimately prefer whichever was shorter between stupid **** and the greater part of r1

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I happen to really love Rogue One.  I liked the conversations on the U-Wing, I loved the whole build up to Scarriff, pretty much that movie front to back is pure awesome.

The only reason movies like The Last Jedi and Rogue One fall just shy of Empire and Star Wars, is only because you really can never capture that original moment, when nothing ever had been done like it in the universe of movies, and people caught onto the thing world wide like fire.  If (and it wouldn't make sense chronologically, but if) movies like The Last Jedi and Rogue One had come out in 1977, I have no doubt those movies would have done just as well as the original.  

But that can't happen, of course.   And because it can't happen, Star Wars and Empire will always be the beginning of everything, and therefore in my book can't ever be dethroned from 1st and 2nd place respectively.

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I wonder how much you can tell us about the eight Rangers and the interpreter from Saving Private Ryan.  How much they unpacked from being basically two-dimensional American soldier archetypes.  That one guy was from Brooklyn.  We know this because of his accent and it says so on the back of his jacket. There's another guy who is Jewish, which we know because it comes up several times.  Tom Hanks and Tom Sizemore served together before D-Day. Um, there was a medic, and a sniper who likes Jesus because he has a cross.  What else do we know about these guys, and without Googling did you realize there were only seven of them and not eight?

The idea that a war movie needs some kind of establishing period for its characters is fairly ridiculous. I mean, you might not like war movies, and that's okay, but calling it a flaw in the film that we only learn the basic information required for the protagonists is just fundamentally misunderstanding the genre space in which Rogue One operates.

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To speak to the topic of max content in minimum time, I think what's lost in movie making, is how 'punk' Star Wars and Empire are.  In my opinion you just cannot ever make those kinds of movies today, period.

But look at how much happens in such a short period of time in Star Wars and Empire.  They are brilliant!  The pacing is astoundingly fast for its time, and yet people are drawn in to those movies, I have never heard once that either movie feels rushed.  But scenes happen at a faster pace in those two movies than nearly anything put in the theatre today.  We have fighter pilots who are established as characters in the tiniest lines of dialogue.  Really, film makers should pay more attention to the success of what happened in those films these days.

To me, Rogue One, TFA and The Last Jedi are as close as it comes and it's a very great close.  Who knows, maybe you'd have to go ahead and raise production costs for the smallest of things like you did then.  And people would start having to go back to using all models and blue screens, and yet making it seem so awesome.  

That'd be a **** of a job.  Let's face it, even when dealing with models, computers do make everything look better.  I digress, though, because special effects is really the last thing I'm talking about here.  I'm talking simply the volume of what happens, and that you get an entire universe, characters, everything in seconds in Star Wars and Empire, they are so brilliant.

 

Edit:  H E two hockey sticks is censored?

Welcome to 1908.  I think we can move past that now, FFG.

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A New Hope // The Force Awakens // Return of the Jedi // Empire Strikes Back // Rogue One // Willow // Attack of the Clones // All the cartoons and cartoon movies // Ewok Movies // Phantom Menace // Revenge of the Sith // Christmas Special

I haven't seen the new one yet but I'm trying to squeeze it in this week. I expect it to be top 3. Attack of the Clones fares better than the Ewoks only because of Mace Windu's fight scenes. Willow counts. #suckitup

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  1. Empire Strikes Back
  2. Star Wars
  3. Last Jedi
  4. Rogue One
  5. Return of the Jedi
  6. Force Awakens
  7. Revenge of the Sith
  8. Phantom Menace
  9. Attack of the Clones

Last Jedi rating is provisional, of course, I've seen all the others several times (hundreds of times, probably, for the OT) but TLJ only once.

Interestingly, I didn't notice I had left Force Awakens off the list until I was triple-checking. I liked it, but I probably have the least intensity of feeling about it of any Star Wars film.

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Hopefully if nothing else, we can all appreciate that there is a wide array "taste" when it comes to the star wars movies.

Using TLJ alone, it has appeared near in the top in many lists, as well as near the bottom, if not dead last, in many as well.

This shows there is no "correct" way to rank the films, nor should anyone be considered a bad fan/poor judge of what star wars is/etc, simply because of how they rank the movies.

Also for some fans, including myself, movies listed lower on our lists doesn't necessarily mean we don't like them or hate them, just might be a step below the others.  Maybe even a flip of a coin depending on your mood.

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