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10 minutes ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

She's a nonunique one-cost shugenja with an elemental keyword that synchronizes with some of the Fire love in this pack- Phoenix players have been crying out for more cheap shugenja, so...

Yeah, but 0/0 cost 1... she should be at least 1/0. Unless she’s conflict, then she’s ok. Though I still expect her to have some glory value. 

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2 hours ago, Tabris2k said:

 

The Tensai Initate does not have an ability. It's all flavor text. (What the Jigoku??!!).. unless her ability is two, three words long. It can`'t be something like covert or sincerity, because that normally goes with reminder text. So my guess is that she is a high glory character and must be Honored to be worthy. Maybe a conflict character? Traits: Shugenja. Fire. Scholar.

I'd point out that the Origami Master has the Pride trait without the reminder text.  And, really, Pride is a perfectly good trait for a Fire Tensai.

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19 minutes ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

She's a nonunique one-cost shugenja with an elemental keyword that synchronizes with some of the Fire love in this pack- Phoenix players have been crying out for more cheap shugenja, so...

Also, the only thing I see regarding fire-synchronization is the Fire Katana. A 0/0 character just to fuel a spell seems excessive. 

6 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I'd point out that the Origami Master has the Pride trait without the reminder text.  And, really, Pride is a perfectly good trait for a Fire Tensai.

Oooooh! I didn’t know that. Well, if she maybe has Sincerity then she’s ok. I need moar cards!

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I'm gong to stick this here for the moment, since it seems too small for a whole spoiler thread of its own:

Pack Card No Name Faction Deck Type Traits Rules
3DotV 1 Kyuden Isawa Y Phoenix Stronghold   Library. Palace.  
3DotV 2 Sampuku Seido Y Phoenix Province   Shrine  
3DotV 6 Shiba Tetsu Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Bushi.  
3DotV 10 Isawa Tadaka Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Shugenja. Earth. Elemental Master.  
3DotV 11 Fushicho Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Creature. Fire. Mythic. Spirit.  
3DotV 18 Kaito Kosori Y Phoenix Conflict Character Monk. Shugenja. Air  
3DotV 20 Katana of Fire   Phoenix Conflict Attachment Spell. Fire. Weapon. Restricted
3DotV 25 Yogo Kikuyo Y Scorpion Conflict Character Shugenja. Earth.  
3DotV 26     Unicorn Conflict      
3DotV 27     Neutral Conflict      
3DotV 28 Support of the Phoenix     Role      
3DotV   Fire Tensai Initiate   Phoenix   Character Shugenja. Fire. Scholar.  
3DotV   Kaito ?   Phoenix   Character    
3DotV   Togashi Tadakatsu Y Dragon   Character Monk. Heretic.  

Assumptions I made

  • The Role card is at the end of the list, like in the Core.
  • Tadaka is the only 5-cost, and a Dynasty Character.
  • The Unicorn card is a Conflict one, leaving a single Neutral conflict card.

Points of interest

  • We have some info about half of the cards in the pack already.

Speculation

  • The Crab card is Kuni Yori, since Tadaka is about to go and study with him

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24 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I'm gong to stick this here for the moment, since it seems too small for a whole spoiler thread of its own:

 

Pack Card No Name Faction Deck Type Traits Rules
3DotV 1 Kyuden Isawa Y Phoenix Stronghold   Library. Palace.  
3DotV 2 Sampuku Seido Y Phoenix Province   Shrine  
3DotV 6 Shiba Tetsu Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Bushi.  
3DotV 10 Isawa Tadaka Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Shugenja. Earth. Elemental Master.  
3DotV 11 Fushicho Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Creature. Fire. Mythic. Spirit.  
3DotV 18 Kaito Kosori Y Phoenix Conflict Character Monk. Shugenja. Air  
3DotV 20 Katana of Fire   Phoenix Conflict Attachment Spell. Fire. Weapon. Restricted
3DotV 25 Yogo Kikuyo Y Scorpion Conflict Character Shugenja. Earth.  
3DotV 26     Unicorn Conflict      
3DotV 27     Neutral Conflict      
3DotV 28 Support of the Phoenix     Role      
3DotV   Fire Tensai Initiate   Phoenix   Character Shugenja. Fire. Scholar.  
3DotV   Kaito ?   Phoenix   Character    
3DotV   Togashi Tadakatsu Y Dragon   Character Monk. Heretic.  

Assumptions I made

  • The Role card is at the end of the list, like in the Core.
  • Tadaka is the only 5-cost, and a Dynasty Character.
  • The Unicorn card is a Conflict one, leaving a single Neutral conflict card.

Points of interest

  • We have some info about half of the cards in the pack already.

Speculation

  • The Crab card is Kuni Yori, since Tadaka is about to go and study with him

Where was the Unicorn conflict card revealed?

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42 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I'm gong to stick this here for the moment, since it seems too small for a whole spoiler thread of its own:

 

Pack Card No Name Faction Deck Type Traits Rules
3DotV 1 Kyuden Isawa Y Phoenix Stronghold   Library. Palace.  
3DotV 2 Sampuku Seido Y Phoenix Province   Shrine  
3DotV 6 Shiba Tetsu Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Bushi.  
3DotV 10 Isawa Tadaka Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Shugenja. Earth. Elemental Master.  
3DotV 11 Fushicho Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Creature. Fire. Mythic. Spirit.  
3DotV 18 Kaito Kosori Y Phoenix Conflict Character Monk. Shugenja. Air  
3DotV 20 Katana of Fire   Phoenix Conflict Attachment Spell. Fire. Weapon. Restricted
3DotV 25 Yogo Kikuyo Y Scorpion Conflict Character Shugenja. Earth.  
3DotV 26     Unicorn Conflict      
3DotV 27     Neutral Conflict      
3DotV 28 Support of the Phoenix     Role      
3DotV   Fire Tensai Initiate   Phoenix   Character Shugenja. Fire. Scholar.  
3DotV   Kaito ?   Phoenix   Character    
3DotV   Togashi Tadakatsu Y Dragon   Character Monk. Heretic.  

Assumptions I made

  • The Role card is at the end of the list, like in the Core.
  • Tadaka is the only 5-cost, and a Dynasty Character.
  • The Unicorn card is a Conflict one, leaving a single Neutral conflict card.

Points of interest

  • We have some info about half of the cards in the pack already.

Speculation

  • The Crab card is Kuni Yori, since Tadaka is about to go and study with him

The card number for the role is a single digit (no letter, so I assume no other side), so I think it's 3, which would put all the single-copy cards together.

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2 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

 

Pack Card No Name Faction Deck Type Traits Rules
3DotV 1 Kyuden Isawa Y Phoenix Stronghold   Library. Palace.  
3DotV 2 Sampuku Seido Y Phoenix Province   Shrine  
3DotV 6 Shiba Tetsu Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Bushi.  
3DotV 10 Isawa Tadaka Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Shugenja. Earth. Elemental Master.  
3DotV 11 Fushicho Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Creature. Fire. Mythic. Spirit.  
3DotV 18 Kaito Kosori Y Phoenix Conflict Character Monk. Shugenja. Air  
3DotV 20 Katana of Fire   Phoenix Conflict Attachment Spell. Fire. Weapon. Restricted
3DotV 25 Yogo Kikuyo Y Scorpion Conflict Character Shugenja. Earth.  
3DotV 26     Unicorn Conflict      
3DotV 27     Neutral Conflict      
3DotV 28 Support of the Phoenix     Role      
3DotV   Fire Tensai Initiate   Phoenix   Character Shugenja. Fire. Scholar.  
3DotV   Kaito ?   Phoenix   Character    
3DotV   Togashi Tadakatsu Y Dragon   Character Monk. Heretic.  

According to the article:

”Disciples of the Void features a different spell for every element, a legion of Shugenja with powerful effects...”

So we’re gonna have 5 spells, all conflict of course, and starting at 19 or 20. Given that the Yogo is 25, and the role probably is 3, we still have 4 more conflict cards that aren’t spells. 

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I really love that this clan pack is focusing on alternate strategies for the Phoenix. I'm looking forward to what we could see in the other clans. 

Scorpion: Shinobi? 

Dragon: Monks :shades:

Crane: Harriers

Crab: Berserkers need some more love but so does the Yasuki

Unicorn: Everything needs support  : /

Lion: Commanders? I'd love to see more Beastmasters

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6 hours ago, Tabris2k said:

According to the article:

”Disciples of the Void features a different spell for every element, a legion of Shugenja with powerful effects...”

So we’re gonna have 5 spells, all conflict of course, and starting at 19 or 20. Given that the Yogo is 25, and the role probably is 3, we still have 4 more conflict cards that aren’t spells. 

The spells might be a mix of attachments and events. If so, they probably won't be grouped together.

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We could see a spell turning into a holding, yes. I'm thinking about one of the Black Scrolls. The Iron Citadel was the second Black Scroll to be opened by Yogo Junzo in the old timeline. It could come out soon in the LCG.

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1 hour ago, Khudzlin said:

The spells might be a mix of attachments and events. If so, they probably won't be grouped together.

Didn’t notice that Kaito Kosori is conflict. I thought she was Dynasty, so I was thinking that conflict cards will start after her...

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1 hour ago, Tabris2k said:

Didn’t notice that Kaito Kosori is conflict. I thought she was Dynasty, so I was thinking that conflict cards will start after her...

Indeed she is. But my point is that I expect all attachments to be together (Spell or not), then all events (again, Spell or not).

The changes I expect from the CS/Dynasty pack order are:

  1. The role coming before dynasty cards instead of last
  2. Phoenix coming before other clans inside each group (cards outside decks, dynasty cards, conflict cards), much like in other LCGs' deluxes, instead of alphabetically

So the order I expect in the pack is:

  1. The one-of cards: stronghold, province and role
  2. Phoenix dynasty cards: characters and holdings
  3. Other clans' dynasty characters (the article says 1 character for each clan and there's no room for a 2nd card for each other clan)
  4. Neutral dynasty cards
  5. Phoenix conflict cards: characters, attachments and events (the announced new spells being part of the latter two)
  6. Other clans' conflict characters
  7. Neutral conflict cards

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10 hours ago, Kubernes said:

I really love that this clan pack is focusing on alternate strategies for the Phoenix. I'm looking forward to what we could see in the other clans. 

Scorpion: Shinobi? 

Dragon: Monks :shades:

Crane: Harriers

Crab: Berserkers need some more love but so does the Yasuki

Unicorn: Everything needs support  : /

Lion: Commanders? I'd love to see more Beastmasters

Harriers are also shinobi. That would make a great Scorpion vs Crane deluxe pack. Maybe the Scorpion pack would focus on poison.

Anyway, for the Phoenix pack, I would like to have several neutral spells, that I think the core is missing.

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Tadaka speculation- A spanish player on 4chan wrote in the missing text based on the info already given, dimensions of the text box and just coinciding spanish sentences with the words given.

 

Remember it's all speculation / someone's guess:

Tu oponente no puede jugar copias de cartas que se encuentren en la pila de descartes de su mazo de Conflicto, a menos que el Anillo de tierra esté entre sus anillos reclamados" - Tadaka

(Your opponent cannot play copies of cards in their Conflict discard pile unless the Earth ring is among their claimed ring pool).

So your opponent cannot play another Forged Edict if they have a copy of Forged Edict in their discard pile. This forces your opponent to try to claim the Earth ring to get around this restriction.

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42 minutes ago, ElSuave said:

Tu oponente no puede jugar copias de cartas que se encuentren en la pila de descartes de su mazo de Conflicto, a menos que el Anillo de tierra esté entre sus anillos reclamados" - Tadaka


(Your opponent cannot play copies of cards in their Conflict discard pile unless the Earth ring is among their claimed ring pool)

This is what I said earlier in the post. Glad to see another spanish speaker agrees with me :D

The only thing that’s purely speculation is a) the ring’s element, which we assume earth because, well, Tadaka is an Earth Shugenja and b) the pool where the claimed ring must be. I think it has to be your opponent, but maybe it can also be in the reclaimed rings pool, meaning that if you reclaim the earth ring, he will be able to play copies. 

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7 minutes ago, ElSuave said:

The last line definitely says "ellos reclamado" meaning "they've claimed".

I only see "(..)llos reclamados", what I guess it's "anillos reclamados" only (claimed rings). "Ellos reclamado" has no sense...

Edited by morifinwe

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1 minute ago, ElSuave said:

The last line definitely says "ellos reclamado" meaning "they've claimed".

No, it says “llos reclamados” which is part of “Anillos reclamados” (claimed rings) 

“Ellos reclamados” does not make sense in spanish. “They’ve claimed” is “ellos han reclamado” 

so the wording could be “a menos que el Anillo de Tierra se encuentre en la reserva de anillos reclamados” (unless the Earth ring is in the claimed rings pool). Or “se encuentre entre los anillos reclamados” (is among the claimed rings) 

source: I’m from Spain :P

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