AradonTemplar 316 Posted December 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, shosuko said: Obviously she is meant as a counter to the Phoenix, but does that mean she has to be completely worthless in any other situation? Completely worthless would be "You can't play this without using the interrupt." As it is, she's just bad value, but still a functional card, outside of her optimal use scenario. And yeah, I think that's about right. You're overpaying in the wrong situations, to make up for getting a free interrupt + 2/2 body in the right situations. High risk, high reward. It's pretty much the standard meta card. "I'm having trouble with my Phoenix match up, so I'm running this card I normally wouldn't run to improve that match." If it were a reasonable body, they'd have to tone down the strength of the effect (like, a 2-fate 2/2 with the interrupt ability, but you have to pay for the character either way). Which isn't necessarily a bad idea, I agree, but as printed, she's got to be pretty bad outside of her niche use because it's a whammy. Basically, I see it like Miya Mystic. I wouldn't normally run mystic, but if everyone starts running 2+ cost attachments, or if my worst matchup does, I'll consider mystic. It's a terrible body, but if you can proc the effect it be comes worth it. Similarly, if everyone starts splashing Display of Power or some other great event, or if Phoenix becomes a backbreaking matchup, you can start running this. 6 BordOne, Tabris2k, Mangod and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BCumming 169 Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, shosuko said: While blocking a spell could be nice this is basically only good against Phoenix, against every other match up its just a 3 cost for 2/2... horrible. Friggin' non-Unicorn players are spoiled. Or Unicorn is in bad enough shape when I'd seriously consider playing a Conflict character that's 2/2 for 3. 3 Tabris2k, Mirumoto Kuroniten and Mandalore525 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaito Kikaze 1,659 Posted December 16, 2017 Is it bad that I kinda hope all the other clans' "counter Phoenix" characters are also conflict characters, so I can have my choice of splash options for the mirror match? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiba Gunichi 2,110 Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, BCumming said: Friggin' non-Unicorn players are spoiled. Or Unicorn is in bad enough shape when I'd seriously consider playing a Conflict character that's 2/2 for 3. Porque no los dos? 3 Tabris2k, BCumming and Khudzlin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shineyorkboy 523 Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, BCumming said: Friggin' non-Unicorn players are spoiled. Or Unicorn is in bad enough shape when I'd seriously consider playing a Conflict character that's 2/2 for 3. It's not a 2/2 for 3, it's an event cancel and a 2/2 for 0. Except without being vulnerable to Assassination. 2 Robin Graves and LordBlunt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yogo Rye X 72 Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, shosuko said: Obviously she is meant as a counter to the Phoenix, but does that mean she has to be completely worthless in any other situation? At least she can trigger cloud the mind. And who knows, there might be some annoying spells from other clans later on...*cough* Black Scrolls *cough* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daigotsu Steve 402 Posted December 16, 2017 4 hours ago, shosuko said: The worst is that its ANOTHER conflict character... and we can only have 10 in the deck... There is no way in I would drop a conflict character for this... Agreed with everything you said, not working on spell attachments is seriously lame, and I am very much not a fan of how heavy theyre going into conflict characters as Scorpion with a hard upper limit on that card type for seemingly no reason whatsoever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daigotsu Steve 402 Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Zesu Shadaban said: Is it bad that I kinda hope all the other clans' "counter Phoenix" characters are also conflict characters, so I can have my choice of splash options for the mirror match? Dont be daft, only the Scorpion gets lumbered with that crap. Our magistrate is a conflict character too. Care to suggest a reason why that would be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaito Kikaze 1,659 Posted December 16, 2017 25 minutes ago, Daigotsu Steve said: Dont be daft, only the Scorpion gets lumbered with that crap. Our magistrate is a conflict character too. Care to suggest a reason why that would be? Hmm...I guess FFG decided they want you to have to pick which nice things you get? Lion seems to be the only clan exempt from that. 1 Hinomura reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bayushi Tsubaki 445 Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Yogo Rye X said: At least she can trigger cloud the mind. She can't actually, since CtM is an attachment and the Yogo only works on Spell *Events.* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shiba Gunichi 2,110 Posted December 16, 2017 I think they mean she can inflict Cloud the Mind on other people... 5 Khudzlin, Brekekekiwi, Mandalore525 and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumo 156 Posted December 16, 2017 9 hours ago, Isawa Syd said: Best stronghold ever. Obfuscation every turn, yes please I understood that reference! Definitely seems to blow Isawa Mori Seidō our of the water. Repeatable Against the Waves and Supernatural Storm is excellent. Seems like a very strong haul for Phoenix, can’t wait to overload Tetsu! A strong Shiba at last! Not impressed by the Scorpion though, way too specific unless Phoenix absolutely dominate your meta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shineyorkboy 523 Posted December 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Fumo said: Seems like a very strong haul for Phoenix, can’t wait to overload Tetsu! Thank goodness for Assassinate and Stoic Magistrate. 3 HirumaShigure, Joelist and Isawa Syd reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necrogoat 3 Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Robin Graves said: Yeah I hope so to. Release of one per month or quicker. Ignore that screaming sound. That's just my wallet complaining. I remember what FFG did with the Call of Cthulhu LCG: towards the last they only did One -faction- deluxe-expansions for each faction. And they were released months apart. I think I waited abot a year before the Hastur expansion came out. One year? A big reason to be happy. In AGoT my 2 main factions are Targaryen and Greyjoy. The game is now going on for 2 years, but thos 2 boxes are not in sight... there were Lannister, Stark, Nightswatch & Tyrell 'till now, next one is Martell in about 6 Months, after this i guess it will be Baratheon. So i have to wait about 3 years for 1 of my 2 boxes because they are the last in line. And with the last box the rotation starts........ Edited December 16, 2017 by Necrogoat 1 Robin Graves reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wintersong 878 Posted December 16, 2017 7 hours ago, Shiba Gunichi said: ¿Por qué no los dos? Porque somos Unicornio. Nice things are for other Clans. Wait, after Moto Juro and other Imperial Cycle cards, do we get to keep complaining*? *ponders* Togashi Mitsu for Dragon Pack. Utaku Kamoko for Unicorn Pack. Yogo Junzo for Scorpion Pack. Doji Kuwanan for Crane Pack. Kuni Yori for Crab Pack. Matsu Tsuko for Lion Pack. There, wild predictions. * that much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheapmate 174 Posted December 16, 2017 21 hours ago, Necrogoat said: I'm pretty shure they do it like the deluxe boxes. so 1 at every end of a cycle. 1 cycle is normal about 6 months (1 Pack/Month), so with 7 clans you have 3,5 years This assumption is based on what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bayushi Tsubaki 445 Posted December 16, 2017 Aramoro is totally next. Who is Yogo Junzo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheapmate 174 Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, Hellvlad said: So basically, we can safely assume now that each clan will have their own pack, which means that the deluxe expansions will most certainly be new factions. Based on what? How many other active LCG have had new factions introduced later on? And I don’t mean those novelty factions like Adam or Apex from Netrunner. Edited December 16, 2017 by cheapmate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schmoozies 1,201 Posted December 16, 2017 46 minutes ago, cheapmate said: Based on what? How many other active LCG have had new factions introduced later on? And I don’t mean those novelty factions like Adam or Apex from Netrunner. Conquest introduced Necrons and Tyranids via deluxe expansions. 1 Mandalore525 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangod 324 Posted December 16, 2017 52 minutes ago, Bayushi Tsubaki said: Aramoro is totally next. Who is Yogo Junzo? I dunno, some guy who was Yogo family daimyo, opened a black scroll, became an undead sorcerer, raised a demonic army, wrought untold destruction upon Rokugan and ushered in the return of the dark god Fu Leng. Y'know, nobody important. 2 LordBlunt and Notorious I.D.E. reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BCumming 169 Posted December 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mangod said: I dunno, some guy who was Yogo family daimyo, opened a black scroll, became an undead sorcerer, raised a demonic army, wrought untold destruction upon Rokugan and ushered in the return of the dark god Fu Leng. Y'know, nobody important. Yogo Junzo? Oh yeah, the big bad guy destroyed on the Day of Thunder by our most powerful horse. 2 Hinomura and Eisai reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wintersong 878 Posted December 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, BCumming said: Yogo Junzo? Oh yeah, the big bad guy destroyed on the Day of Thunder by our most powerful horse. Hachiman was the true thunder of the Unicorn. He should have gone to trample Fu Leng instead of Kamoko. 1 Eisai reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brekekekiwi 70 Posted December 16, 2017 40 minutes ago, Schmoozies said: Conquest introduced Necrons and Tyranids via deluxe expansions. However, both those factions were known to be coming from the core set. 1 Khudzlin reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radix2309 345 Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, cheapmate said: Based on what? How many other active LCG have had new factions introduced later on? And I don’t mean those novelty factions like Adam or Apex from Netrunner. Tyranids and Necrons in Conquest. Smugglers and Scum in Star Wars Martell and Greyjoy in AGOT 1st Silver Twilight in Call of Cthulthu 4 Mandalore525, LordBlunt, Laurence J Sinclair and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sendatsu 35 Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Wintersong said: Porque somos Unicornio. Nice things are for other Clans. Wait, after Moto Juro and other Imperial Cycle cards, do we get to keep complaining*? *ponders* Togashi Mitsu for Dragon Pack. Utaku Kamoko for Unicorn Pack. Yogo Junzo for Scorpion Pack. Doji Kuwanan for Crane Pack. Kuni Yori for Crab Pack. Matsu Tsuko for Lion Pack. There, wild predictions. * that much Dios te oiga. Dragon is the only clan with no O5R characters in the Imperial Cycle. I expect they give us Gennai or Tamori (probably not this one, as he is the daimyo) in the Phoenix pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites