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52 minutes ago, Ridge363 said:

That and Yoda burning down the tree library.  The Jedi really are a bunch of trolls :D

Yep. And he totally knew that Rey stole all the books already. When do you think she did that? The first time she saw them, or right before she left, or sometime in between? I'm not sure which, and I kinda like it either way.

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Saw it again this afternoon.  I liked it better the second time.  Flying Leia is just silly, and I am still not sure how I feel about Force Image Luke on Crait, but, Kylo really made the movie for me and there were times when I was really entertained.  The Snoke scenes were great (the spinning Hux and the lightening flash on Kylo), and the Kylo-Rey tag team on the Guards was just plain fun.

It still doesn't rank up to the top with R1, Empire and ANH, but it is better than the Prequels and is on the same level as TFA.

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4 hours ago, Andreu said:

I come From my second viewing and I'm afraid snap quickly dies at the beginning, in the first space battle before the bombers go boom. Can anyone confirm if that's him? Looked like him but with less than 2 sec screen time is hard to tell. I can only confirm the alien pilot is not Ello, has lighter skin colour and Poe calls him C'tai towards the end of the movie.

Nope. This dude was different.

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This movie almost doesn't feel right. It's so different, I get the sense I'm watching a spinoff or something. The fact that the entire Resistance is being pursued on this tiny ship is almost unsettling. Not a criticism, but a genuine amazing thing about this film!

The stakes actually feel real, something almost no other Star Wars movie has been able to do.

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3 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

This movie almost doesn't feel right. It's so different, I get the sense I'm watching a spinoff or something. The fact that the entire Resistance is being pursued on this tiny ship is almost unsettling. 

The stakes actually feel real, something almost no other Star Wars movie has been able to do.

Its the feeling of something new, which is what is so great about it. The whole time I felt the familiar beats of the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi but never once did it feel derivative. Its what I love about the movie, it doesnt feel like any Star Wars movie thats come before but it still feels undeniably Star Wars.

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On 12/14/2017 at 11:18 AM, Azrapse said:

Can anyone please explain to me why the First Order was doing pot shots at the cruisers for almost 2 hours of movie when they totally obliterated is bridge with just two lowly TIE Fighters?
I would be just happy to get that part explained to me. Please.

Why doesn't the any in the dozen or so of Star Destroyers or in the Mega Star Destroyer send a little squadron of bombers... no... even fighters... to attack the cruiser? They could do it at the beginning.
What happened afterwards?

It's not that they run out of fighters, when we can see lots of them in the hangars.

Why that ridiculous slow chase between two capital ships for hours?

 

That was the one big plot hole for me but I enjoyed the movie as a whole. Why not just send a couple dozen fighters to harry the ship and slow if down if they can't just outright kill it? They had to know that the Resistance fighter compliment had been pretty much wiped out. I can't believe I'm saying this since I hated TFAs for being too much like ANH, but I honestly wish they went into an asteroid field or nebula or something. Give me a good why they didn't launch a bunch of fighters to pursue the Resistance flagship. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

 

That was the one big plot hole for me but I enjoyed the movie as a whole. Why not just send a couple dozen fighters to harry the ship and slow if down if they can't just outright kill it? They had to know that the Resistance fighter compliment had been pretty much wiped out.

Someone, maybe Poe, said something about the fact the FO couldn't send fighters out if they were far enough ahead of their fleet.  I'm guessing trying to go back to the ANH line of ties being "short range fighters".  We now know that means they don't have hyperdrives, but RJ might have taken it to mean they literally can't go that far on their own.

Maybe a better explanation would be that the resistance capital ships would be able to use all their guns on the enemy fighters since they don't have any capital ships to engage, so might lose more FO fighters than it's worth to just wait until the resistance ships run out of fuel.

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4 minutes ago, markcsoul said:

Someone, maybe Poe, said something about the fact the FO couldn't send fighters out if they were far enough ahead of their fleet.  I'm guessing trying to go back to the ANH line of ties being "short range fighters".  We now know that means they don't have hyperdrives, but RJ might have taken it to mean they literally can't go that far on their own.

Maybe a better explanation would be that the resistance capital ships would be able to use all their guns on the enemy fighters since they don't have any capital ships to engage, so might lose more FO fighters than it's worth to just wait until the resistance ships run out of fuel.

 

SF ties have hyperdrives. Of course I don't know how many they have, but its got to be a substantial amount between all those big star destroyers. 

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On 16/12/2017 at 4:04 AM, Wiredin said:

I think Poe's arc was the best arc aside from Kylo. I got so much more respect for Kylo now that he's gone off the deep end. 

 

Oh....

 

can we talk about the elephant giraffe in the room. wTF was with the milking? seriously....

 

 

and please, no more deus-ex BB8. 

 

On 16/12/2017 at 4:07 AM, SpikeSpiegel said:

That was the biggest WTF moment in the theatre. Luke’s obviously gone off the deep end, I appreciated the absurd humor. No worse than the tentacle porn monster in Rogue One.

No one noticed the colour of the milk? What sort of fans are you guys?

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On 12/14/2017 at 11:14 AM, DodgingArcs said:

Force Awakens doesn’t set the First Order up as the rulers of the galaxy, it sets up the Republic as that. If anything the First Order are militant political extremists. Snoke doesn’t exactly fit into that. 

Yeah, if I have any problems with the new movies, it's this. We don't at all have a sense that the 1st order is anything more than a large pirate fleet. Even with their superweapon, they're still... they still seem kinda small. 

A large part of that can be laid at JJ Abram's feet- his movie felt like a tiny neighborhood. He really should have spent more time showing what the First Order was, and why it was being resisted by such a small group of people who were unaffiliated with the Republic. 

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33 minutes ago, Jo Jo said:

 

That was the one big plot hole for me but I enjoyed the movie as a whole. Why not just send a couple dozen fighters to harry the ship and slow if down if they can't just outright kill it? They had to know that the Resistance fighter compliment had been pretty much wiped out. I can't believe I'm saying this since I hated TFAs for being too much like ANH, but I honestly wish they went into an asteroid field or nebula or something. Give me a good why they didn't launch a bunch of fighters to pursue the Resistance flagship. 

 

actually, if you had an infinitely long table, that's exactly how it'd go down in Armada :P

the tiny res ship with enough distance would just outpace a ship's commanded squadrons, because the commanded squadrons have to activate before the FO ships move

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On 12/14/2017 at 8:46 PM, Sithborg said:

In a lot of ways, this feels like a deconstruction of the Star Wars myth. While at the same time, embraces the power of myths and legends, but points to the fact that anyone can be the next legend. 

Yes. That is the exact point of the movie, and it's freaking _wonderful_.

And the people who don't like the movie seem upset that the movie is telling them there is so much more to the story than legends.

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On 12/14/2017 at 11:06 PM, Azrapse said:

This sentence has so much juice that I need to quote it twice!

So if I you go to watch a new The Lords of the Rings movie and in it there comes this stuff:

  • Everone uses magic, even hobbits.
  • Sauron is actually nobody. After 5 hours of story, Saruman kills him in the middle of a sentence.
  • The One Ring is full of power and evil? Bah. There is also The Another Ring that is full of power and good that counters it. Frodo has it and Gollum has the other one.
  • There is a 2 hours subplot of Gimli, Pippin and Bilbo travelling to the Far Harad. They achieve nothing and come back empty handed.
  • The big battle consists on the good guys Sunday walking away from the bad guys. The bad guys used cavalry and flying monsters before in the movie. But they don't consider using them again for some reason.
  • At the end of the movie Gandalfs says "Ni!", and Saruman and all the orcs explode. Because, you know, it was always known that Saruman and the orcs are killed by saying "Ni!" to them. But nobody thought on doing it before.

Then you will come out of the theater praising it because it is such a "subversion of expectation". And all the Tolkien fans that are traumatized by how bad and disrespectful the movie is to the lore, you will call them haters. That will teach them!

Shadow of War and Shadow of Mordor were freaking _amazing_, thank you.

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31 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:

Yeah, if I have any problems with the new movies, it's this. We don't at all have a sense that the 1st order is anything more than a large pirate fleet. Even with their superweapon, they're still... they still seem kinda small. 

A large part of that can be laid at JJ Abram's feet- his movie felt like a tiny neighborhood. He really should have spent more time showing what the First Order was, and why it was being resisted by such a small group of people who were unaffiliated with the Republic. 

That is one of my big issues with the First Order, I just don't know how big they are supposed to be based off what we've seen. Before this film they were shown to be a relatively small force, obviously smaller than the Empire but after TLJ they are apparently the most competent force ever. Just think about it TLJ takes place at most days after TFA and the First Order has taken over all the major systems in that time and after what a days or two's time they end up destroying the Resistance to the point where it is apparently small enough to fit onto the Falcon all by itself. Sure the First Order had its losses but it still was somehow able to probably conquer the galaxy apparently faster than the Empire did somehow...

Also, is the Empire supposed to be still around at this point? The films don't give much sense on that with the whole treaty between the New Republic and Empire, so I kind of got the feeling that the Empire was still there but just based around Coruscant and the like whereas the New Republic was doing their thing.      

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8 hours ago, Estarriol said:

Jess wasn’t in the film. I’m told there is footage of Snap in a transport at the beginning, but not at the end so he didn’t make it all the way through seemingly.

Jess better not be dead ;) I like to think they’re both off doing secret stuff.

Pretty sure I saw Jess Pava in the hanger right before Kylo launched his torpedoes.

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