{Mafia}Operation Paperclip

[EbonHawk 1,243]

Town defector how many times I've said I don't know 

[Madaghmire 7,274]

Also town defector

[Madaghmire 7,274]

10 hours ago, Visovics said:

Well I’m gonna leave this to the trusted town to make the decision

##vote EbonHawk

Cute. 

Look, assuming there is no godfather role (which I don’t know that we should, but for the moment lets) then we can take Ovi and Broba as town. Because Oni scanned them, and we know he was town and that he was what he claimed to be. So we have no reason to believe anything besides what his purported results were, because what town player would lie to town? 

That means there are (probably) 2 scum between myself, Ebon and Vis. We should all know this.

Which means Vis, if he were town, should not be super willing to follow me on a vote. Because to him I should be a high probabilty scum. Not “trusted town”. Clearly, he knows I’m town because he knows I’m not in his scumchat, and I posit this is the origin point of his slip here. Forgetting the difference between what he knows and how the game appears to those of us with a less complete picture.

The sole reason I might be concerned about this read is that town had two powerful tracking roles in a masonry. It would be wierd if the scum had nothing doing in the role deparment. And I have a piece of flavor that I think may actually be a clue, which is (avoiding quoting) that I’m a defecting scientist that needs to warn alliance command of a type of assassin droid that can appear to be anyone. So I’m thinking they have something that circumvents identifier roles, whether thats a ninja (to fool cals ability to watch/track) or a godfather (to fool oni’s scan). If it was a ninja, then its simple, we need to hang Ebon and Vis, although obviously this looks less simple from Ovi and Broba’s PoV. If godfather, we have an issue.

##unvote Ebon (for now)

I want to know if anyone else thinks they can shed light on this. 

 

[Visovics 1,675]

10 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Which means Vis, if he were town, should not be super willing to follow me on a vote.

I literally made a case against him when Broba asked

 

10 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

. Because to him I should be a high probabilty scum. Not “trusted town”. Clearly, he knows I’m town because he knows I’m not in his scumchat, and I posit this is the origin point of his slip here. Forgetting the difference between what he knows and how the game appears to those of us with a less complete picture.

Trusted town are Ovi and Broba, they are the ones that I AM LEAVING THE DECISION TO, because they can both vote you, or just one needs to vote on Ebon. I already stated that unless we only have one scum, you are also in my list

12 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I’m a defecting scientist that needs to warn alliance command of a type of assassin droid that can appear to be anyone. So I’m thinking they have something that circumvents identifier roles, whether thats a ninja (to fool cals ability to watch/track) or a godfather (to fool oni’s scan). If it was a ninja, then its simple, we need to hang Ebon and Vis, although obviously this looks less simple from Ovi and Broba’s PoV. If godfather, we have an issue.

Now this just makes it all harder, brilliant...

 

On a side note:

13 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

because what town player would lie to town?

Well we had one lynched

[Madaghmire 7,274]

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

On a side note:

Well we had one lynched

Yes, thats the joke.

 

[Madaghmire 7,274]

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I literally made a case against him when Broba asked

I know. It had caused me to re-evaluate my own scum read on you.

I’m left with two possibilites;

1. Scum distancing

2. One of Ovi/Broba is a godfather

[Visovics 1,675]

4 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

2. One of Ovi/Broba is a godfather

This would be a gigantic issue, a move on them could also potentially kill one of the few confirmed town if the opportunity shows up to scum, we'd need an entire re-evaluation of the whole game. If you're right about that droid trumping reads, we are most certainly doomed.

[Madaghmire 7,274]

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

This would be a gigantic issue, a move on them could also potentially kill one of the few confirmed town if the opportunity shows up to scum, we'd need an entire re-evaluation of the whole game. If you're right about that droid trumping reads, we are most certainly doomed.

Never tell me the odds!

[BrobaFett 4,209]

@ovinomanc3r

Ebon has thrown his arms and declared vote him or not

Mad has brought up some good points that undermines our cred as verified town (good scum move mad)

and I have thought Vis was scum from D1.

 

Who do we want to lynch? I am leaning Ebon still, but Mad and Vis could certainly be scummates.

 

 

[Visovics 1,675]

8 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

and I have thought Vis was scum from D1.

looks more to me like D3... but your thoughts, I don't know them

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

3 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Cute. 

Look, assuming there is no godfather role (which I don’t know that we should, but for the moment lets) then we can take Ovi and Broba as town. Because Oni scanned them, and we know he was town and that he was what he claimed to be. So we have no reason to believe anything besides what his purported results were, because what town player would lie to town? 

That means there are (probably) 2 scum between myself, Ebon and Vis. We should all know this.

Which means Vis, if he were town, should not be super willing to follow me on a vote. Because to him I should be a high probabilty scum. Not “trusted town”. Clearly, he knows I’m town because he knows I’m not in his scumchat, and I posit this is the origin point of his slip here. Forgetting the difference between what he knows and how the game appears to those of us with a less complete picture.

The sole reason I might be concerned about this read is that town had two powerful tracking roles in a masonry. It would be wierd if the scum had nothing doing in the role deparment. And I have a piece of flavor that I think may actually be a clue, which is (avoiding quoting) that I’m a defecting scientist that needs to warn alliance command of a type of assassin droid that can appear to be anyone. So I’m thinking they have something that circumvents identifier roles, whether thats a ninja (to fool cals ability to watch/track) or a godfather (to fool oni’s scan). If it was a ninja, then its simple, we need to hang Ebon and Vis, although obviously this looks less simple from Ovi and Broba’s PoV. If godfather, we have an issue.

##unvote Ebon (for now)

I want to know if anyone else thinks they can shed light on this. 

 

Brains!! Finally!!!!

2 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Never tell me the odds!

I had the opportunity on Ebon as it was proved I was around with Ebon at l-1. It doesn't tell you if I am scum or not but definitely means that I wouldn't win lynching him. Note also that lynching a scummate I didn't lose either. 

Sadly we don't know if Broba had that chance.

2 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

@ovinomanc3r

Ebon has thrown his arms and declared vote him or not

Mad has brought up some good points that undermines our cred as verified town (good scum move mad)

and I have thought Vis was scum from D1.

 

Who do we want to lynch? I am leaning Ebon still, but Mad and Vis could certainly be scummates.

 

 

So you doubt I could be a godfather?

 

 

 

I keep working on the puzzle.

[EbonHawk 1,243]

I'm just following the updates now, I've reread all mads input so ##unvote

Apart from his jump, I'm inclined to believe he's my other defector and if I die he has to live for town so says oni, so I can't vote him with that in mind because regardless of mad, onis told the truth from what I see..

the only person I'm still 100% on is vis

##vote vis

i rekcon ovi and vis could be our scum, ove been either ninja or godfather... the whole game feels like it's been drawn by a scumchat of those two, their play is exactly what I reckon they'd choose together as suxm

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

6 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

the whole game feels like it's been drawn by a scumchat of those two, their play is exactly what I reckon they'd choose together as suxm

Lol.

Yeah cause I pointed against Pod since the beginning and lead the change over Ghost and fell over you when role fishing and I voted you today while you were at l-1. 

Were you thinking while tipping that?

It is totally clear that Vis AND me cannot be scum nor Mad AND me either. Or we would have won... I hope you were scum or we will not win this no matter if we had 7-bulletproof townies...

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

Mad (M); Ebon (E); Broba (B); Vis (V); Ovi (O)

Options available:

ME; MB; MV; MO; EB; EV; EO; BV; BO; VO 

Options that cannot be possible or town would have already lost:

MO; BO; VO 

Options that cannot be possible or Oni's winning condition (also mine at this point) would be impossible:

ME 

Options that are hard to believe or Vis/Ebon wouldn't be between us at this point:

MB

So

MV; EB; EV; EO; BV 

 

I would also add I cannot be scum or I wouldn't have gotten the datapad from Oni. That's something you have to believe. I could proof it within the rules restrictions. 

 

 

Keep working on the puzzle.

 

[Visovics 1,675]

8 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I would also add I cannot be scum or I wouldn't have gotten the datapad from Oni. That's something you have to believe. I could proof it within the rules restrictions. 

 

Is it reliable or is the droid theory likely possible? That’s what I need to know

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

3 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Is it reliable or is the droid theory likely possible? That’s what I need to know

Oni also think that a ninja or a godfather could be possible. But neither him nor Cal shared flavor about assassin droids. 

But I will revise the chat. Maybe I missed something. 

[Visovics 1,675]

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Oni also think that a ninja or a godfather could be possible. But neither him nor Cal shared flavor about assassin droids. 

But I will revise the chat. Maybe I missed something. 

Ok, because it seems like an absurd amount of investigative that can communicate for it to just casually be counterless... an assassin droid that can appear to be anyone sounds like a counter to both, so the main thing I’m trying to figure is if it’s alone or if it has a scum goon partner, because it sure sounds like it can take care alone if it can avoid detection...

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

15 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Ok, because it seems like an absurd amount of investigative that can communicate for it to just casually be counterless... an assassin droid that can appear to be anyone sounds like a counter to both, so the main thing I’m trying to figure is if it’s alone or if it has a scum goon partner, because it sure sounds like it can take care alone if it can avoid detection...

Well even being a godfather and a ninja they could be hunted by Cal and Oni respectively. But that's quite powerful if one of our power roles get killed/lynched. 

Being one or the other I think I would bet for godfather. They needed to know who was defector. Oni could do that while Cal could hunt him visiting someone. The massonery would help to avoid Cal catching Oni at work and going after him.

Also one defector being scum (a theory they worked on) makes things harder.

A ninja would have made Cal useless as he cannot hunt scum or find defectors. 

 

Godfather's theory is what I was wondering almost since Oni claimed. Did that role "work" during the game? I don't know but I am ready for the worst scenario. 

[BrobaFett 4,209]

After all that has gone on today, I feel at least a little confident that Vis is one of the scum. Ovi, would you be willing to lynch vis?

 

[BrobaFett 4,209]

@ovinomanc3r

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

27 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

After all that has gone on today, I feel at least a little confident that Vis is one of the scum.

Scum or town you have to!

31 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

Ovi, would you be willing to lynch vis?

Vis has the numbers (from my pov) however if we fail nothing else matters so I am working on the best solution for the case we don't.

[BrobaFett 4,209]

My thought, Ovi, is that the less we listen to actual lynch suggestions of the others the better. Their lynch suggestions are, at best, suspect as 2/3 of them are probably scum. We need to get a scum tonight, and so looking at the current votes and vote suggestions, the common thread for me is visovics. But I don't want to vote it, then have the other 2 jump on and hammer cause it was our last town. I want to see if you agree that Vis is a good option for today, or if you think one of the others is a better option. I am not really looking for imput outside of you right now. I know I am town, in my mind that clears you because I can triply verify onidsen and have no reason to believe there is a ninja/godfather as part of this setup because the setup seems relatively simple and that would be a huge wrench.

Mad bringing that up and spinning our scum finding compass is IMO the scummiest thing that has happened today so far. He has sown doubt into the verified town pair set up by oni, which is what scum do to survive. IMO start of the day the scum pair was ebon and Vis.

now I am thinking it is Mad and Vis.

[Madaghmire 7,274]

Its not.

[Visovics 1,675]

3 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

I can triply verify onidsen and have no reason to believe there is a ninja/godfather as part of this setup because the setup seems relatively simple and that would be a huge wrench.

Funny that you say you don’t believe it, yet we have one of the defector’s flavour implying this is what we are dealing with, along a huge deal of investigative roles for simply a game filled with vanillas.

Also funny because it’s the one possibilty that puts you in the suspect list

5 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Also one defector being scum (a theory they worked on) makes things harder.

I’ve been thinking, Oni’s win con (now yours) bases on keeping a defector alive for the alliance, while Mad is a scientist that defects and has information of an assassin droid, so obviously protecting him and making sure he’s alive is a top-priority flavour-wise, while Ebon defected just to see the planets now that he isn’t in the war? If Oni’s theory’s right about scum needing to kill defectors, how hasn’t Ebon died yet?... He’s been hanging around since D1 with that massive flavour claim of a defector...

[BrobaFett 4,209]

Vis, you do realize that continuing to throw shade on me and back up Mad reinforces my thought that its you and he as scum?

But good thoughts, thanks for that.