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 So blue hero legendary get yoda and the rare is secura, 2 characters that are gonna see lots of play, villains got maul and palp that are good but not there hero counterpart level and then they get greedo, 7 health on a legendary, so much for balancing the game

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He's probably cheap and looks to have a fantastic ability. Looks like when he dies you can roll him in and resolve his dice. That's fantastic if you can do it if he's already activated and if it includes his upgrade dice. If both, and a 7/10 or 8/11 cost point, he'll be insanely good.

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6 minutes ago, Stu35 said:

I don't see what the issue is here?

 

Is the complaint that the game isn't pay to win? Surely that's a good thing?

Where did you get that I was complaining it's not pay to win

The complaint is how unbalanced it is

They messed it up with villains and now doing the same with hero's 

You would think they would be able to balance a set by now, it' almost like they have said well villains dominated for a year so now hero's can have a year

 

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well so far if Greedo is 7/10 his dice is bonkers good with a 1 range and 2 range, that is easily better then ezra at the same point cost. Zeb has 12 health great, what's his cost... if it is at least 12/16 than that is 1 point 1 health same as greedo or ezra or so many others and so far we know 5 of Zeb's sides, 1 melee, 2 melee, 1 shield, 1 resource and a blank we dont know what the third side is if it is at all similar to other 12/16 characters on hero side it will be another 1 for free or 2 damage side for resource.

Currently no way to tell if "balance or broken"

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8 minutes ago, tunewalker said:

well so far if Greedo is 7/10 his dice is bonkers good with a 1 range and 2 range, that is easily better then ezra at the same point cost. Zeb has 12 health great, what's his cost... if it is at least 12/16 than that is 1 point 1 health same as greedo or ezra or so many others and so far we know 5 of Zeb's sides, 1 melee, 2 melee, 1 shield, 1 resource and a blank we dont know what the third side is if it is at all similar to other 12/16 characters on hero side it will be another 1 for free or 2 damage side for resource.

Currently no way to tell if "balance or broken"

Alot of if's in there

Can you make the same point for all the other cards , Yoda over maul????secura over the witch???

Will give ffg credit that obi wan and palp are quite evenly matched

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1 hour ago, Plymouthdean86 said:

Alot of if's in there

Can you make the same point for all the other cards , Yoda over maul????secura over the witch???

Will give ffg credit that obi wan and palp are quite evenly matched

Yoda and maul are 2 completely different archetypes and aren't really comparable. for 16 points Maul has damage sides as good as an 18 point hero character, Yoda at 10/13 has dice that are only slightly better then Akbar's dice, but he also lacks ackbar's ability. Secura vs Mother Talzin is an interesting case so lets talk about what they share and what is different. What they share 1 damage side, 2 damage side, resource side and blank. Sides that are different 2 indirect vs 1 discard and a Special vs a focus. Secura's Special is basically a focus that also allows you to focus an opponents and the 2 Indirect and 1 discard has slight favor for the indirect. Ok so obviously the argument here is that Secura has clearly better dice, but the rub is Talzin has an ability attached to it that doesnt require rolling a die side to pull off, instead it adds on to what ever she rolls. So her 4 sides that are the same as secura's can technically be better since they get to do the same thing + turn a die even if they get removed. The special vs the focus becomes a Tie if Talzin pulls off her ability and even the discard becomes a little better as you can turn a die which will force them to reroll and then remove their last card so they can't reroll anymore. In pure Talzin vs Secura point for point they fit in different decks but the 2 are not completely out of wack with one another.

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25 minutes ago, GooeyChewie said:

Aayla looks undercosted to me.  Yoda looks good, but I'm not ready to say he is unbalanced.  I don't think any of the rest look particularly unbalanced.  We don't know enough about Zeb or Greedo to say one way or another, especially since we don't know their costs.

The main issue with Yoda is who he can pair With, qui gon, ashoka even 1 die with elite luke, put heirloom lightsaber or a couple other melee weapons on him when he's paired With ashoka and they become a powerhouse, they increased phasma cost because she was 2 low for the damage which was correct then they go release secura, they increased unkar cost because hes undercosted for a support character then release Yoda, I was just hoping they had learnt there lesson from awakenings with balancing but it doesn't look that way at the moment, hopefully I'm wrong

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5 minutes ago, tunewalker said:

Yoda and maul are 2 completely different archetypes and aren't really comparable. for 16 points Maul has damage sides as good as an 18 point hero character, Yoda at 10/13 has dice that are only slightly better then Akbar's dice, but he also lacks ackbar's ability. Secura vs Mother Talzin is an interesting case so lets talk about what they share and what is different. What they share 1 damage side, 2 damage side, resource side and blank. Sides that are different 2 indirect vs 1 discard and a Special vs a focus. Secura's Special is basically a focus that also allows you to focus an opponents and the 2 Indirect and 1 discard has slight favor for the indirect. Ok so obviously the argument here is that Secura has clearly better dice, but the rub is Talzin has an ability attached to it that doesnt require rolling a die side to pull off, instead it adds on to what ever she rolls. So her 4 sides that are the same as secura's can technically be better since they get to do the same thing + turn a die even if they get removed. The special vs the focus becomes a Tie if Talzin pulls off her ability and even the discard becomes a little better as you can turn a die which will force them to reroll and then remove their last card so they can't reroll anymore. In pure Talzin vs Secura point for point they fit in different decks but the 2 are not completely out of wack with one another.

I have to disagree, a couple of melee weapons on Yoda and he's a powerhouse and with his cost and health he will be paired with a good character and can stick around, 8 or 9 health on yoda would of been so much better imo, I hadn't looked at talzin that way so thank you for that, while maybe not as far apart as I thought secura will see so much more play than talzin, also if they had give secura 9 health it again looks so much more balanced again imo

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Secura can action cheat by special(focus) to a special. There are enough good specials out there that an action cheating focus is very good. Nuff said on that.

You might want to stop by the Imperial Assault forums to learn exactly what Greedo is to FFG. With that said, cost is everything. He looks cheap. Cheap is always so good.

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1 hour ago, Plymouthdean86 said:

I have to disagree, a couple of melee weapons on Yoda and he's a powerhouse and with his cost and health he will be paired with a good character and can stick around, 8 or 9 health on yoda would of been so much better imo, I hadn't looked at talzin that way so thank you for that, while maybe not as far apart as I thought secura will see so much more play than talzin, also if they had give secura 9 health it again looks so much more balanced again imo

Well I think people will be surprised with Yoda honestly. He is going to be good dont get me wrong, but I like to compare him to Akbar for a reason and I will show why. In a Damage dealer deck Yoda's special is going to use the focus and a resource the most often, sometimes it will be a shield and a resource, the Disrupt is going to be reroll fodder 9/10 so with those things in mind lets compare to Akbar's dice. Both Akbar and Yoda have a 2 focus and a discard side so 1/3 of the time no difference in roll. Yoda Replaces Akbar's 1 range damage with a 1 Shield in some decks the shield will be better in others the range since it is damage. He replaces Akbar's blank with a disrupt, ok so slightly better there BUT for the most part still reroll fodder. Finally he replaces both ackbars resource side with a side that 9/10 in a damage deck will provide a resource+ a little extra utility so there Yoda is clearly better, Yoda has 1 more health so a little better there, but he also loses the passive that pressures the opponents hand or turns the 1 discard side into 1 discard deal 2 damage. Finally Yoda is blue vs Akbar being red ultimately Yoda will likely completely replace Akbar in all honesty simply because the special is more flexible than the 1 resource sides AND because akbar's ability isn't all that great, BUT we are starting to see that characters with an ability are paying a premium on their dice vs characters that have a special side. Like when you compare Yoda vs Anakin Skywalker all of a sudden Yoda isn't some ridiculous broken power house, of course some will disagree but still I think yoda will be good, just not "broken OP good". Same with Maul, he is definitely going to find some niche partners that will be good like E Seventh sister or E new phasma or any other 2 dice 14 point characters or non-uniques.

Edit: I honestly think characters with an ability SHOULD pay a dice premium by comparison to characters with a special, the special is only a chance to roll it's not guaranteed like the characters with the ability so the rest of the die beside the special has to be worth the fact that you may never roll the special in a game. If it isn't there is no reason to take a character with a special over one with an ability. I think this is a big reason why IG-88 has failed he has no ability besides a super unreliable special and for his point cost he is no better than characters at that point cost that have actual usable abilities.

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The cost of Yoda is you get two dice that have very few chances of progressing you to a win by themselves. Sure, if you get 2-3 upgrades on him he'll be a powerhouse but then so would any of the cards we have.

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Wow... this thread is a lot of negativity for a bunch of cards that aren't even released yet! What if Greedo costs 6/9 or something? 

Seriously, I'm just excited he's showing up at all! See this thread for reference:

 

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13 hours ago, Plymouthdean86 said:

Constructive answer, I like it

And what do you expect with a negative post about a character that we know squat about? Unless you have better info than us.

 

13 hours ago, Plymouthdean86 said:

7 health can be one shotted turn 1 easily, not so great losing 11pts in 1 turn 

And? Ezra can also be one shotted turn 1 and do you see him dying all the time when paired with Sabine? And if he really will have some ability about rolling his dice after being defeated, he never gonna be one shotted turn one cause that could mean some really serious damage for the shooter. Also hes gonna be great fodder for Price of Failure with such an ability. 
Your whole post shows that you lack deeper understanding of the game.

 

13 hours ago, Plymouthdean86 said:

Where did you get that I was complaining it's not pay to win

The complaint is how unbalanced it is

They messed it up with villains and now doing the same with hero's 

You would think they would be able to balance a set by now, it' almost like they have said well villains dominated for a year so now hero's can have a year

 

How it is unbalanced? You even don't know either his dice or full ability. Unless "unbalanced" means for you that legendary has to be super-duper-15-hp-with-3-free-dmg-side character otherwise its unbalanced. If so...sorry thats not what balance in a game is about.

 

Im not even gonna respond to Zeb where we see even less and yet you managed to deem him unbalanced...

 

Lol. Just lol.

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how can you discuss how balanced something is without seeing the complete release and how it interacts with what is already in play?

The answer is you cant, along side this the game will never be completely balanced as we don't play in a vacuum with identical cards.... balance is a myth...

its getting to the point that some people seem to only come on these forums to ***** and complain about the game... it's simple... don't like it... don't play it as it's clearly not the game for you... and the golden rule it's a GAME!!! Get some prospective...

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