[MAFIA] The Hutt Championship

[EbonHawk 1,243]

Another day done in the pits, but rest doesn't come till tomorrow

Grakkus is said to be most pleased with what he has seen so far, nothing makes a hutt salivate more than opposite sides going for each others throats

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (0)

@TheToad - (2) vis, gnips, mad, broba

@BrobaFett - (0)

@Visovics - (3) toad, broba, impcap

@CaribbeanNinja - (0)

@PodRacer - (0)

@ImperialCaptain2017 - (0)

@Caldias - (0)

@Madaghmire - (0)

Vis is L-2

[PodRacer 1,077]

another 23 hours @EbonHawk ?

[EbonHawk 1,243]

d2 and d3 are both 48

[PodRacer 1,077]

Fine.

Let them eat!

[Madaghmire 7,274]

7 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

2/4 lynch Vis
1/4 lynch Toad
1/4 lynch Mad

I was alluding to IF ELSE statements, as that's how I like laying out options. If 1, elseif 2, elseif 3, else 4, that kind of thing.

I do not know. The above lays out end results. Which points toward voting Vis as the best option by force of majority. But we have to way the various options, which affects things.

You WERE blocked, you claim. Therefore, the only way Toad is lying is if you are both lying. Therefore the options become 2/4 Vis, 2/4 Mad OR Toad. 

So now we have to consider - what is the likelihood that Vis would stick his neck out day 2 as scum, IDing somebody? Especially when said somebody is supported by another player? If we lynch Toad, and he's not scum, we have confirmed Vis as scum. That's suicide for him. So either he is close to winning, and wants to chance it, or he's telling the truth.

For Toad - his accusation of Vis is understandable. The fact that his defense is borne out by you implies 2 things - either you two are in league, or he is telling the truth. Very unlikely, it could be both.

For you - what reason have you to lie? You could want to bump off the cop, and didn't actually get a message, but are supporting Toad to get Vis. Or, you were blocked and didn't kill, or you were blocked and have no role. If Toad is killed and he doesn't have a role-block role, you are dead. If Vis dies and is the cop, you are dead. Still, the odds of you lying are somewhat low, but not low enough to discount.

There is of course the possibility that all of you are at least partially telling the truth. Toad could be a scum-aligned role-blocker. 

I am drawn back to the fact that Vis' claim is a death warrant from him should he be lying. What would prompt him to do that? Either he is close to winning, as he may have let slip by offering that up as a possibility, or he is convinced of himself telling the truth. Which is more valuable? A cop or a role-blocker? I am inclined to think cop. But yet we have confirmation of the role-block. . . can we trust it, though? I am inclined to kill Toad, and depending on his flip (scum or role-block) kill you or Vis the next day. But what if we get role-block non-scum? We have lost a useful role. We will also be a day behind in catching the baddies. Still and all, I am willing to chance it, I think, and so am still voting for Toad.

Ok, one thing thats bothering me. I’m not “supporting” toad. I’m corroborating his statement, and even then I’m not saying he’s the one who blocked me (although that is the obvious conlcusion to draw) I’m simply saying I was blocked last night, and he did say he was the one who did so. 

For all I know, he’s a scum roleblocker.

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

Ok, one thing thats bothering me. I’m not “supporting” toad. I’m corroborating his statement, and even then I’m not saying he’s the one who blocked me (although that is the obvious conlcusion to draw) I’m simply saying I was blocked last night, and he did say he was the one who did so. 

For all I know, he’s a scum roleblocker.

I meant support his claim, as in provide evidence in support of it being true. Of course you cannot be certain, nor are you stating he his not scum. But you also aren't saying 'I wasn't blocked - he's lying!'

[Madaghmire 7,274]

6 hours ago, TheToad said:

My win con is to be the last man standing...

I appreciate the honesty, but your meta theory is wrong. Additionally, given this one piece of information I’m inclined to let Vis win this battle of wills. By your own admission, you’re definetely not town, you want to see us all dead, and you’ve kept me from taking my night action. Additionally, your flip will provide information about Vis.

##vote thetoad

I’ll keep perusing this in case new information comes to light, but I don’t the downside of lynching Toad.

[Madaghmire 7,274]

Also I believe thats l-1

[Visovics 1,675]

2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Also I believe thats l-1

L-2, for both me and toad

@Caldias @CaribbeanNinja @PodRacer The least active conversators this game, the decision of the gladiator who loses his head here lies in your hands

[Caldias 2,209]

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

L-2, for both me and toad

@Caldias @CaribbeanNinja @PodRacer The least active conversators this game, the decision of the gladiator who loses his head here lies in your hands

Not sure that's fair, as Pod and myself have been more active than impcap, which is interesting, though you're right that I haven't been very active, the holiday is a factor.  I'll cast a vote, as either Vis or toad getting lynched will net similar info.

 

##vote Visovics

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

2 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Not sure that's fair, as Pod and myself have been more active than impcap, which is interesting, though you're right that I haven't been very active, the holiday is a factor.  I'll cast a vote, as either Vis or toad getting lynched will net similar info.

 

##vote Visovics

Imp already voted though. He was calling the uncommitted.

[Madaghmire 7,274]

3 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Not sure that's fair, as Pod and myself have been more active than impcap, which is interesting, though you're right that I haven't been very active, the holiday is a factor.  I'll cast a vote, as either Vis or toad getting lynched will net similar info.

 

##vote Visovics

I think vis forgot impcap was playing.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

58 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I appreciate the honesty, but your meta theory is wrong. Additionally, given this one piece of information I’m inclined to let Vis win this battle of wills. By your own admission, you’re definetely not town, you want to see us all dead, and you’ve kept me from taking my night action. Additionally, your flip will provide information about Vis.

##vote thetoad

I’ll keep perusing this in case new information comes to light, but I don’t the downside of lynching Toad.

I agree with this assessment. 

## vote TheToad

[EbonHawk 1,243]

The anticipation of a kill as vis and toad are cornered has Grakkus' appetite up

You've put him in good spirits 

@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (0)

@TheToad - (4) vis, gnips, mad, broba, mad, cninja

@BrobaFett - (0)

@Visovics - (4) toad, broba, impcap, cal

@CaribbeanNinja - (0)

@PodRacer - (0)

@ImperialCaptain2017 - (0)

@Caldias - (0)

@Madaghmire - (0)

Hammer is 5

Both Vis and Toad are L1

[ImperialCaptain2017 230]

2 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Ok, one thing thats bothering me. I’m not “supporting” toad. I’m corroborating his statement, and even then I’m not saying he’s the one who blocked me (although that is the obvious conlcusion to draw) I’m simply saying I was blocked last night, and he did say he was the one who did so. 

For all I know, he’s a scum roleblocker.

(just back from dinner with the family)

This is sort of where I stand as well. I don't support Toad either- I just tend to think that because what Mads reported sounds like what Toad claimed, his claim has more validity. I'm not against the idea of killing Toad, though, if it turns out Vis was right. BTW, to Mads' comment that there is no downside to lynching toad, there is a possible downside to either one. If we lynch Vis and he's cop, we lose the cop, and that's bad. If we lynch Toad and he's roleblocker, we lose a roleblocker. Also bad. However...it is possible that we're dealing with third-party lynchers or some similar concept. Ah well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Also, I just saw that @PodRacer is the tie-breaker here. Ok Pod, give us a theory...I know you have one

[PodRacer 1,077]

Im just worried Vis is on another of his Gambits.

However the fact mad was roleblocked and there was no Nk is also a concern.

I owe them both a lynching from the last game... so this is tough!

 

[BrobaFett 4,209]

My worry is lynching thetoad gives vis his wincon, while toads wincon is supposedly just, "murder us all," which I believe because that is a terrible lie.

Thats my vote is where it is, it had practically nothing to do with anything else that had been said.

[Visovics 1,675]

8 hours ago, Caldias said:

Not sure that's fair, as Pod and myself have been more active than impcap,

Yeah sorry, meant to do the ones that hadn’t voted, wording was poor

[ImperialCaptain2017 230]

And now we wait...

[PodRacer 1,077]

ugh...

You owe me A LIFE DEBT Greedo

##vote Toad

[PodRacer 1,077]

@EbonHawk 

Hammer

[EbonHawk 1,243]

Back from work, hammer down. Will flavour post once I've made a tea and rolled.

[EbonHawk 1,243]

So...

[EbonHawk 1,243]

Grakkus' celebrations on the first kill took more of my time than expected..

Under the alias of The toad, Zuckuss a famed 3rd-party bounty hunter 'roleblocker' has fallen in the arena

Overpowered by a small group he fell, with the others going for Vis, how this turns out tomorrow for Vis is something Grakkus will be following

He has other business on Nar Shaddaa more pressing, who will be the next Hutt to oversee the competition

 

Night Begins

[EbonHawk 1,243]

A new day starts in the Arena, and we have Vorus the Hutt of Cloud City, who has joined the games and he was happy to see a death shortly after he arrived...

The bounty hunter Mercurial Swift operating under the alias of Gnips died in the night, he was hated 3rd-party which always requires 1 less vote to hammer....

It seems swift had this coming sooner or later...

@BrobaFett - (0)

@Visovics - (0) 

@CaribbeanNinja - (0)

@PodRacer - (0)

@ImperialCaptain2017 - (0)

@Caldias - (0)

@Madaghmire - (0)

Hammer is 4

Edited November 25, 2017 by EbonHawk