[MAFIA] The Hutt Championship

[Visovics 1,675]

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yes, but why? Did you have a role to block? If you have nothing to block, you can't be blocked, right? Which implies you have a role.

Really looks like you fishing as much as possible D2 here, working with the Toad and trying to get a good target for tonight’s kill?

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

Really looks like you fishing as much as possible D2 here, working with the Toad and trying to get a good target for tonight’s kill?

No.

And I did hesitate before I asked, it's just that if Mad was blocked, then he was trying to do something. We had a no-kill night. Maybe he was the would-be killer?

[Madaghmire 7,274]

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yes, but why? Did you have a role to block? If you have nothing to block, you can't be blocked, right? Which implies you have a role.

Are you fishing, nips?

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

Are you fishing, nips?

No. I'm expressing my puzzlement. I don't expect you to answer, that would be foolish. 

Basically, I think you have a role. If Toad is telling the truth, you were successfully blocked. We didn't have a night kill. Ergo, it is possible that you were stopped from killing a target. BUT, if that happened, why would you announce it in support of the person who prevented you? Wouldn't you want him dead? Therefore 1) Toad didn't block you 2) your role involves no killing 3) You are told of a block even if you have no role 4) you did try killing someone, were blocked, but would prefer a dead cop to a dead blocker

If 1), lynch Toad. If 2) or 3) lynch Vis, else lynch Mad

 

Is there a course of action I missed?

[Madaghmire 7,274]

4 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

No. I'm expressing my puzzlement. I don't expect you to answer, that would be foolish. 

Basically, I think you have a role. If Toad is telling the truth, you were successfully blocked. We didn't have a night kill. Ergo, it is possible that you were stopped from killing a target. BUT, if that happened, why would you announce it in support of the person who prevented you? Wouldn't you want him dead? Therefore 1) Toad didn't block you 2) your role involves no killing 3) You are told of a block even if you have no role 4) you did try killing someone, were blocked, but would prefer a dead cop to a dead blocker

If 1), lynch Toad. If 2) or 3) lynch Vis, else lynch Mad

 

Is there a course of action I missed?

2/3 lynch vis else lynch mad-

when you say else, is that alluding to option 4 where im a killer, or as a good course of action for 2/3? Because yeah vote me if you think its 4 but for 2 and 3? 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

40 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

2/3 lynch vis else lynch mad-

when you say else, is that alluding to option 4 where im a killer, or as a good course of action for 2/3? Because yeah vote me if you think its 4 but for 2 and 3? 

2/4 lynch Vis
1/4 lynch Toad
1/4 lynch Mad

I was alluding to IF ELSE statements, as that's how I like laying out options. If 1, elseif 2, elseif 3, else 4, that kind of thing.

I do not know. The above lays out end results. Which points toward voting Vis as the best option by force of majority. But we have to way the various options, which affects things.

You WERE blocked, you claim. Therefore, the only way Toad is lying is if you are both lying. Therefore the options become 2/4 Vis, 2/4 Mad OR Toad. 

So now we have to consider - what is the likelihood that Vis would stick his neck out day 2 as scum, IDing somebody? Especially when said somebody is supported by another player? If we lynch Toad, and he's not scum, we have confirmed Vis as scum. That's suicide for him. So either he is close to winning, and wants to chance it, or he's telling the truth.

For Toad - his accusation of Vis is understandable. The fact that his defense is borne out by you implies 2 things - either you two are in league, or he is telling the truth. Very unlikely, it could be both.

For you - what reason have you to lie? You could want to bump off the cop, and didn't actually get a message, but are supporting Toad to get Vis. Or, you were blocked and didn't kill, or you were blocked and have no role. If Toad is killed and he doesn't have a role-block role, you are dead. If Vis dies and is the cop, you are dead. Still, the odds of you lying are somewhat low, but not low enough to discount.

There is of course the possibility that all of you are at least partially telling the truth. Toad could be a scum-aligned role-blocker. 

I am drawn back to the fact that Vis' claim is a death warrant from him should he be lying. What would prompt him to do that? Either he is close to winning, as he may have let slip by offering that up as a possibility, or he is convinced of himself telling the truth. Which is more valuable? A cop or a role-blocker? I am inclined to think cop. But yet we have confirmation of the role-block. . . can we trust it, though? I am inclined to kill Toad, and depending on his flip (scum or role-block) kill you or Vis the next day. But what if we get role-block non-scum? We have lost a useful role. We will also be a day behind in catching the baddies. Still and all, I am willing to chance it, I think, and so am still voting for Toad.

[TheToad 321]

Good morning boys. So I’m about to head out for Thanksgiving, I’m going to be unavailable until late tomorrow.

My Vote is staying where it is... Vis is lying... his D2 un-prompted cop claim(self aligned cop makes no sense)is a desperate attempt to get me killed... I’m seriously starting to think his win con is to not be the first to die... 

 

 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

7 minutes ago, TheToad said:

(self aligned cop makes no sense)

Why?

[PodRacer 1,077]

@Visovics do your checks just uncover allignment? Or do you get some flavour too?

 

[TheToad 321]

What is the purpose of a self aligned cop? If there is a town faction the SAcop would be pro town but not town aligned? In a standard game don’t most SA roles have some utility to both factions? What use is a SA cop to scum?

I still don’t think there is a town faction... or a scum faction...we are all self aligned, and in that case a cop role is about as useful as **** on a 2x4

 

Greedo just don’t wanna get shot first...

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

3 minutes ago, TheToad said:

What is the purpose of a self aligned cop? If there is a town faction the SAcop would be pro town but not town aligned? In a standard game don’t most SA roles have some utility to both factions? What use is a SA cop to scum?

I still don’t think there is a town faction... or a scum faction...we are all self aligned, and in that case a cop role is about as useful as **** on a 2x4

 

Greedo just don’t wanna get shot first...

Well, a few games ago we had a self-aligned doc, didn't we? And of course scum can use a cop, assuming there are factions that are of more importance than others.

[TheToad 321]

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Well, a few games ago we had a self-aligned doc, didn't we? And of course scum can use a cop, assuming there are factions that are of more importance than others.

Yea a self aligned Mad doc that poisoned people... 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

Just now, TheToad said:

Yea a self aligned Mad doc that poisoned people... 

So maybe Vis lying about part of his role. . . . do you have any side affects (though I realize any answer of yours must be taken with a grain of salt)?

[TheToad 321]

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

So maybe Vis lying about part of his role. . . . do you have any side affects (though I realize any answer of yours must be taken with a grain of salt)?

Nope... I have no indication of being visited 

[PodRacer 1,077]

4 minutes ago, TheToad said:

I still don’t think there is a town faction... or a scum faction...we are all self aligned

 even so, best block Mad again to be safe =)

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Well, a few games ago we had a self-aligned doc, didn't we?

yes but the win con was shared with town.

 

We have to assume that if there is one or two scum and possibly that one of the quieter players could be the only townie. 

9 self aligned survivors, wouldnt they just win d1? hep me with the mechanics here. There has to be factions for the neutrals to win with?

[TheToad 321]

Just now, PodRacer said:

 even so, best block Mad again to be safe =)

yes but the win con was shared with town.

 

We have to assume that if there is one or two scum and possibly that one of the quieter players could be the only townie. 

9 self aligned survivors, wouldnt they just win d1? hep me with the mechanics here. There has to be factions for the neutrals to win with?

My win con is to be the last man standing... I assume most have this con... except for Vis who probably just doesn’t want to die first(if that is the case... @EbonHawk you are a genius)

[PodRacer 1,077]

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

or you were blocked and have no role.

Oh hes got a role alright.  What reason the pm otherwise?

 

[TheToad 321]

Alright guys I’m going dark... hope to see you all in the other side 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

51 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Oh hes got a role alright.  What reason the pm otherwise?

 

I agree with you, I'm just trying to lay out all possibilities, however unlikely. There have been examples of GMs telling vanillas that they were blocked.

[Visovics 1,675]

2 hours ago, PodRacer said:

@Visovics do your checks just uncover allignment? Or do you get some flavour too?

 

Just alignment, I’m a faction cop

[Visovics 1,675]

2 hours ago, TheToad said:

self aligned cop makes no sense

Cos survivor roleblocker makes much more sense... are you expected to just outvote someone in a 1v1 where the hammer required is 2 and self voting is not allowed?

Also, apparently the likelihood of one of us lying is twice more for me than both Toad and Mad in Gnips’ data, so will Toad get lynched tomorrow if I flip cop? (Also, roleblocker is traditionally a scum role, just sayin’)

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

43 minutes ago, Visovics said:

if I flip cop? 

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[Visovics 1,675]

13 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

. . .

When fits better

[PodRacer 1,077]

well, im confused!

Dont want to give Toad or Vis a freebie.

What do Our Turkey munching cousins think of all this?

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

18 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

well, im confused!

Dont want to give Toad or Vis a freebie.

What do Our Turkey munching cousins think of all this?

They're off munching Turkey. I am not sure how many will be available for a while.