InquisitorM 632 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Facebook thread lit up pretty quickly. To me, this is a net negative for the game. The only thing that ought to be censored is this card. A good idea with awful execution. The playtesters much have been frothing about this. For Fukurokujin's sake, please print a promo errata ASAP! Discuss. Edited November 8, 2017 by InquisitorM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsramTaleka 66 Posted November 8, 2017 People are overreacting. 11 Starbane, Soshi Nimue, Edgegordon1 and 8 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isawa Tasatu 174 Posted November 8, 2017 Heck of a lot of cancel effects running around.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetsuro 386 Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, OsramTaleka said: People are overreacting. L5R players? Are you sure? 22 Brekekekiwi, YasukiKaito, theninthguardian and 19 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asako Michi 1,746 Posted November 8, 2017 I guess I'm in the minority here, since my unpopular opinion is that this is a great card and I can't wait to use it. 12 BaraBob, Soshi Nimue, Edgegordon1 and 9 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetsuro 386 Posted November 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Zesu Shadaban said: I guess I'm in the minority here, since my unpopular opinion is that this is a great card and I can't wait to use it. I haven't checked, but was Backhanded Compliment an Event? 5 Yogo Gohei, Bayushi Tsubaki, SolidusPrime and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windforce 23 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Forgive me my impudence and the nerve to disagree, but I really do like the card. Great neutral card imho. Truly sorry about that. Edited November 8, 2017 by windforce 3 Caldera, OsramTaleka and Yogo Gohei reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ignithas 275 Posted November 8, 2017 I don't like the design of the card, but it doesn't break anything. Reactive cards are extremly efficient: Voice of Honor, Forged Edict, Let Go, Calling in Favors, Noble Sacrifice, Karada District etc. and Censure doesn't seem stronger than that. 1 OsramTaleka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chupacabra52 42 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Now crane, and scorpion to a lesser extent, can overuse cancel cards by having nine total. I say scorpion to a lesser extent as they are less likely to have more honored characters in general. Edited November 8, 2017 by Chupacabra52 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asako Michi 1,746 Posted November 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tetsuro said: I haven't checked, but was Backhanded Compliment an Event? Why, yes. Yes it is. 3 Soshi Nimue, Bayushi Tsubaki and OsramTaleka reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matrim 533 Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) what's not to like? It has great art, provides neutral cancel and makes players focus more on the favour. why would crane want to run 9 event interrupts? Are you trying to make them easier to beat? Edited November 8, 2017 by Matrim format 11 Doji Kao, Chupacabra52, Yakamo no Oni and 8 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chupacabra52 42 Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Matrim said: what's not to like? It has great art, provides neutral cancel and makes players focus more on the favour. why would crane want to run 9 event interrupts? Are you trying to make them easier to beat? I wasn't saying they should, just that they can. But, since events usually make up a good chunk of conflict decks and often decide conflict resolution, at least in my local area, I can see reasons to run a bunch. A control deck may want access to a bunch of cancels. I may add a pair of censure into my scorpion deck I am brewing. Time will tell how much room to spare I will have in my conflict deck by the time the Imperial cycle is fully released Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asako Michi 1,746 Posted November 8, 2017 Just wait, next we're going to get an even more "broken" card and they'll add "this cannot be cancelled" just to mess with us. 5 Nitenman, Chupacabra52, Ignithas and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yakamo no Oni 116 Posted November 8, 2017 I like it. Might go well with my Phoenix. Besides of "cancel event targeting your shugenja" we don't have much access to cancellation effects and this comes from a dynasty character who has to be in play, so my opponent not only knows its there but can easily play around it. And since the Imperial Favor is always a good option for us with the whole "boost a character's glory to get it"-routine (thx stronghold), this card becomes even more interesting. I can already see that my deck from today will look significantly different around the holidays. 5 Matrim, SideshowLucifer, JJ48 and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpsmith 248 Posted November 8, 2017 49 minutes ago, Chupacabra52 said: Now crane, and scorpion to a lesser extent, can overuse cancel cards by having nine total. I say scorpion to a lesser extent as they are less likely to have more honored characters in general. I mean, if you have 9, is that too many? 1 Etaywah reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saibot 91 Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, kpsmith said: I mean, if you have 9, is that too many? At that point that is roughly a quarter of your deck... 1 LordBlunt reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpsmith 248 Posted November 8, 2017 Just now, Saibot said: At that point that is roughly a quarter of your deck... My thought process is if you have 9 cards dedicated to canceling events, you have 9 cards that don't accelerate your win condition. 3 Ignithas, Soshi Nimue and JJ48 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ignithas 275 Posted November 8, 2017 44 minutes ago, Chupacabra52 said: I wasn't saying they should, just that they can. But, since events usually make up a good chunk of conflict decks and often decide conflict resolution, at least in my local area, I can see reasons to run a bunch. A control deck may want access to a bunch of cancels. I may add a pair of censure into my scorpion deck I am brewing. Time will tell how much room to spare I will have in my conflict deck by the time the Imperial cycle is fully released I am not seeing this. Crane/Scorpion decks don't play more than 5 cancels, because event cancels can lead to very awkward hands, especially against Dragon. I don't think that Scorpion is very hot on Censure, because they are atm not particullary good at winning the favor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
L5RBr 178 Posted November 8, 2017 I think many phoenix willl make good use of it, with display of power and the stronghold, getting the favor is easier.. 1 Caldera reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maniacmcgoo 191 Posted November 8, 2017 So, it's an cancel card that requires the favor to use.... why the outrage? Only people I could think of who may have an issue with it are crane/scorpion players who don't want other clans to be able to cancel events also. 3 Caldera, LordBlunt and JJ48 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetsuro 386 Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, maniacmcgoo said: So, it's an cancel card that requires the favor to use.... why the outrage? Only people I could think of who may have an issue with it are crane/scorpion players who don't want other clans to be able to cancel events also. I'm gonna bet that old gem "NPE" shows up here sooner rather than later. 3 Soshi Nimue, Yogo Gohei and Bayushi Tsubaki reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saibot 91 Posted November 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tetsuro said: I'm gonna bet that old gem "NPE" shows up here sooner rather than later. Oh, it already did. Just take a look at the threads on Backhanded Compliment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetsuro 386 Posted November 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, Saibot said: Oh, it already did. Just take a look at the threads on Backhanded Compliment. No, I meant specific to the idea of counterspells. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saibot 91 Posted November 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Tetsuro said: No, I meant specific to the idea of counterspells. Ah, fair enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InquisitorM 632 Posted November 8, 2017 29 minutes ago, maniacmcgoo said: So, it's an cancel card that requires the favor to use.... why the outrage? 2 What outrage? 1 Fu Leng reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
