Some New Spoilers

[Zordren 42]

I foresee 6-or non-unique yellow Gungan Warriors in this set!!

(or maybe 7-pt)

Edited October 31, 2017 by Zordren

[Mep 2,291]

Yeah, Landing Craft is an odd card that brings up a lot of questions. I like the design but maybe not all the questions it brings up.

Interesting thing, there is no requirement on that card that you started with a battle droid. So any deck that can generate resources and a way of reliably resolving that special could generate a lot of battle droids. Which brings up another question, if you didn't start the game with a battle droid but were brought down to just the added battle droid, does the game continue? I am guessing yes but this isn't a situation we had been in before. Endless ranks brings a character back, it doesn't make a brand new one. If the battle droid gets defeated can it be endless ranked? I hate cards that need to be FAQed right out of the box.

[ScottieATF 2,867]

7 hours ago, Mep said:

Yeah, Landing Craft is an odd card that brings up a lot of questions. I like the design but maybe not all the questions it brings up.

Interesting thing, there is no requirement on that card that you started with a battle droid. So any deck that can generate resources and a way of reliably resolving that special could generate a lot of battle droids. Which brings up another question, if you didn't start the game with a battle droid but were brought down to just the added battle droid, does the game continue? I am guessing yes but this isn't a situation we had been in before. Endless ranks brings a character back, it doesn't make a brand new one. If the battle droid gets defeated can it be endless ranked? I hate cards that need to be FAQed right out of the box.

Why wouldn't the game continue? No victory condition has been met. A Battle Droid is a character, and you can't defeat all of an opponents characters without defeating all of their characters

Endless Ranks says "Return one of your defeated non-unique Redcharacters to the game with no damage on it.". If Battle Droid has been put into play and then is defeated it fits every criteria for it. 

I've seen a number of similar things brought up about today's spoilers and they've all been easily answered. We have a large number of FAQ entries that really set a low bar for what can make it into the FAQ. If FFG isn't willing to  make effects that a handful of players will not understand then they aren't going to be able to make many interesting cards. Because you'll always find someone that doesn't understand the rules even on a low level.

 

Edited November 1, 2017 by ScottieATF

[Amanal 2,557]

Landing Craft is interesting, in thinking about abusing it I am getting stuck on 2 resources to play and 2 to use that special.

The card to me looks to fill that "win-more" area of the game.

Of course if you get a Battlefield that helps of a Plot it could be a thing.

EDIT: Thinking some more the dice with shields and resources isn't bad, so just playing it and gaining a droid here and there isn't going to be terrible.

Edited November 1, 2017 by Amanal

[gokubb 234]

Finn is going to love it.

[Amanal 2,557]

A few more I found lying around on Facebook.

 

 

 

[Mep 2,291]

5 hours ago, ScottieATF said:

Why wouldn't the game continue? No victory condition has been met. A Battle Droid is a character, and you can't defeat all of an opponents characters without defeating all of their characters

Endless Ranks says "Return one of your defeated non-unique Redcharacters to the game with no damage on it.". If Battle Droid has been put into play and then is defeated it fits every criteria for it. 

I've seen a number of similar things brought up about today's spoilers and they've all been easily answered. We have a large number of FAQ entries that really set a low bar for what can make it into the FAQ. If FFG isn't willing to  make effects that a handful of players will not understand then they aren't going to be able to make many interesting cards. Because you'll always find someone that doesn't understand the rules even on a low level.

 

No offense but you cannot give an official response so your "answers" are just your opinions and nothing more. While I agree with your assessment people are free to ask for clarification on things that have never happened in the game before, like introducing a character in the middle of the game that wasn't there at the start of the game. People have been certain of things before in this game and have been wrong.

[Amanal 2,557]

15 minutes ago, Mep said:

No offense but you cannot give an official response so your "answers" are just your opinions and nothing more. While I agree with your assessment people are free to ask for clarification on things that have never happened in the game before, like introducing a character in the middle of the game that wasn't there at the start of the game. People have been certain of things before in this game and have been wrong.

What part of the rules and the card seems off or don't you understand?

THE GOLDEN RULE P3:
If the text of a card directly contradicts the rules of the game, the text of the card takes precedence. If you can follow both the rules of the game and the text of the card, do so.

Beyond that you are resolving a special and doing as the card says.

The card makes no reference to there being a Battle Droid in your team or anything else, why put more text on the card than there is?

 

[Jerrus 27]

I wonder if this means we will get Ewoks as the cheap hero characters 

[Chakan99939 48]

 

9 hours ago, ScottieATF said:

Why wouldn't the game continue? No victory condition has been met. A Battle Droid is a character, and you can't defeat all of an opponents characters without defeating all of their characters

Endless Ranks says "Return one of your defeated non-unique Redcharacters to the game with no damage on it.". If Battle Droid has been put into play and this is defeated it fits every criteria for it. 

I've seen a number of similar things brought up about today's spoilers and they've all been easily answered. We have a large number of FAQ entries that really set a low bar for what can make it into the FAQ. If FFG isn't willing to  makeeffects that a handful of players will not understand then they aren't going to be able to make many interesting cards. Because you'll always find someone that doesn't understand the rules even on a low level.

 

While a little on the aggressive side, I completely agree. Why use precious rulebook space (Faq should be seperate from rules) on something already clear.

"When all of player character are defeated, they lose." P.16

It is clear that your character must be defeated, nothing says "starting characters etc.", so in order to win, you have to clear all characters, no matther where they come from, that's it.

Chak

[Chakan99939 48]

Strenght in numbers: 

Even thought I don't think 5 character decks will be tournaments viable (With actual cards available), doing 5 damage turn 1 for 2$ is impressive.

Action 1: Squad tactics (0)

Action 2: Strenght in numbers (2)

Action 3: resolve dices

Best case scenario, 1, +2, +2, +2, +2 = 9 so a total of 14 indirect damage if no mitigation

Chak

 

[GooeyChewie 372]

6 hours ago, Mep said:

No offense but you cannot give an official response so your "answers" are just your opinions and nothing more. While I agree with your assessment people are free to ask for clarification on things that have never happened in the game before, like introducing a character in the middle of the game that wasn't there at the start of the game. People have been certain of things before in this game and have been wrong.

If a rule is in the rule book, then it is an official response, not an opinion.  Until and unless the rule book changes, it doesn’t matter when or how the characters came into play, only that you have at least one character which is not defeated.

[Vineheart01 6,403]

Reinforce is basically the "Reckless Reentry" for characters.

The die has to actually be in play, but not in the pool in order to use it. Therefore it would be a terrible 2nd action in that case as all your character dice are in the pool. Theres none to add in.

If it was literally add another character die, who's die? What determines what character die you are suddenly rolling in?

No, thats actually a pretty lousy card for an all droid deck because their character dice arent that amazing on their own. You'd have to resolve ONE die, then spend 2 resources to roll it  back in. You just spent 2 resources for a very weak die.

Edit: also the rules make no mention about starting characters. Thus, if its a character, it must be defeated to win (or deck him out). The only ruling needed on that vehicle is what happens if an opponent resolves the ability via cunning or he resolved the die as his own? In the faq they said the cards that state "Your" refer to its owning player, period, regardless of game effects (if the card is stolen then the owning player is the one that stole it, exception being ancient lightsaber going back to the bottom of the original player deck)

Finn is going to abuse the crap out of that vehicle. And he has C3PO if he pairs with a red character to "force" the special too.

Edited November 1, 2017 by Vineheart01

[ScottieATF 2,867]

9 hours ago, Mep said:

No offense but you cannot give an official response so your "answers" are just your opinions and nothing more. While I agree with your assessment people are free to ask for clarification on things that have never happened in the game before, like introducing a character in the middle of the game that wasn't there at the start of the game. People have been certain of things before in this game and have been wrong.

Is there an alternative interpretation that is consistent with the current rules? That's what's been missing with every one of these Landing Craft scenarios that people have been trying to assert are unclear. The ambuity they are clutching at requires an alternative explanation that is at least possible under the rules.

Let's go with end game scenario you brought up. Game ends when all of a players characters are defeated. Battle Droids are characters. If one remains there's a character left undefeated. There's no way to construct an argument that the game should end at that point. It just would not work. For it to work any other way would actually require the rules to be changed to say something different then what we currently have. But if that's something we consider then no interaction is knowable because FFG could change any rule at any time.

Edited November 1, 2017 by ScottieATF

[Kyle Ren 6,817]

9 hours ago, Jerrus said:

I wonder if this means we will get Ewoks as the cheap hero characters 

Nope. Porgs. They cost 5, have 5 health, and their dice have three blanks. 

Edited November 1, 2017 by Kieransi
Needed to clarify that this is a joke. Although I will totally take credit if I’m actually right about this.

[Mep 2,291]

12 hours ago, Amanal said:

What part of the rules and the card seems off or don't you understand?

THE GOLDEN RULE P3:
If the text of a card directly contradicts the rules of the game, the text of the card takes precedence. If you can follow both the rules of the game and the text of the card, do so.

Beyond that you are resolving a special and doing as the card says.

The card makes no reference to there being a Battle Droid in your team or anything else, why put more text on the card than there is?

 

I agree with your assessment, which is nothing but an opinion, nevertheless this is them doing something new in the design space. We will probably be getting an article addressing this new way of playing that will clear everything up.

[Mep 2,291]

5 hours ago, ScottieATF said:

Is there an alternative interpretation that is consistent with the current rules? That's what's been missing with every one of these Landing Craft scenarios that people have been trying to assert are unclear. The ambuity they are clutching at requires an alternative explanation that is at least possible under the rules.

Let's go with end game scenario you brought up. Game ends when all of a players characters are defeated. Battle Droids are characters. If one remains there's a character left undefeated. There's no way to construct an argument that the game should end at that point. It just would not work. For it to work any other way would actually require the rules to be changed to say something different then what we currently have. But if that's something we consider then no interaction is knowable because FFG could change any rule at any time.

I do agree with your assessment, which is again, just an opinion. Much like them introducing neutral characters which breaks the old hero or villain rules (note they never accounted for neutral) this breaks the 30 pt rule. So yes, they will probably be giving a description of this card and any others like it since this is a new design space for them.

[GooeyChewie 372]

1 hour ago, Mep said:

I agree with your assessment, which is nothing but an opinion...

 

1 hour ago, Mep said:

I do agree with your assessment, which is again, just an opinion. 

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Vineheart01 6,403]

uh, nothing breaks the 30pt rule. afaik they made no mention or indication about changing that one. Points only factor in when building the deck, so added characters dont break this rule.

The only list-building rule that needs to be tweaked is lists including strictly neutral characters (are they hero, villain, or both for including cards?).

Also, if theres an opinion is yours because you are adding things to the current rules to distinguish between original characters and added characters via a game effect. The rest of the people arent saying their opinion, theyre quoting the rule. The rule makes no mention about added characters being different. Theyre a character, done.

Edited November 1, 2017 by Vineheart01

[Joelist 148]

Finn-Lando would abuse the crap out of this card , especially when they have Cunning in play.

Edited November 1, 2017 by Joelist

[Mep 2,291]

2 hours ago, GooeyChewie said:

 

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

An opinion is the only thing someone outside an official capacity can give. It has no relevance or baring what so ever. So yes, it does mean what I think it means. Do you understand the people on this board aren't employees of FFG and they don't give any thing close to official word on anything and can only give their personal opinion?

Now sometimes people's opinions are the same thing as official word, sometimes they are different. Outside of the golden rule, the rules are silent on how this card gets handle. Again I agree with everyone else's opinion on how this card gets used but all we have are customer opinions. This is the type of card that finds its way into an article and will be given official clarity then.

BTW, cunning should discard the support when resolved a la the thermal detonator ruling. (btw, those unable to follow along, that is my opinion not official word, I don't work for FFG nor even try to pretend that I do)

[Robin Graves 6,054]

Oh no.

If they are here...

... that means He is comming.

[Amanal 2,557]

1 hour ago, Mep said:

An opinion is the only thing someone outside an official capacity can give.

I don't think reading and applying a rule is an opinion, it is a rule. Happy to take the plunge with you and go through the bits you need help with, because I enjoy doing it and sometimes learn something myself. What is confusing here?

What you imply is I could draw 6 cards at the start of the game, then when you point out it is 5, I just say, "That's your opinion and until someone with official status clarifies...".

[ozmodon 535]

4 hours ago, Joelist said:

Finn-Lando would abuse the crap out of this card , especially when they have Cunning in play.

Looks like they could become the Hero version  of Thrawn, Unkar. 

[Vineheart01 6,403]

huh? they wouldnt be milling your hand/deck at a ridiculous rate while generating stupid amounts of resources.