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1 minute ago, Astech said:

I can definitely get behind this. There's a very easy way to make sure FFG gets their money from cards, too. Do you remember all those "proof of purchase" tokens with unique IDs on the back? Simply allow people to input them into the squadron builder (after logging in) to gain access to the correct amount of those cards. you still need multiples of certain things (like Lightweight frame for a bomber swarm), but now the cards aren't immediately worthless when nerf happen.

Yeah but not everyone has kept them though. I mean I got all the punch outs in the boxes, and I started to keep some of the blisters when I noticed that each wave and each faction had a new background. But it is a start, If FFG is so worried about card then they need to provide alternatives, at this point I would accept Card only booster packs, heck maybe even through the old ones in some sort of rotation so the earlier models can get their fix and update with new pilot cards that have better pricing, actions, and abilities. Sure rotate out Luke's focus to evade ability for a more offensive one with torpedoes always hit ability, or something to keep them up with the power creep, but that is more for a new topic.

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1 hour ago, Mep said:

Okay, I see what you mean by that now. Yeah, there are different ways to define restricted. That actually isn't a bad idea to handle things and is certainly better than errata cards. I prefer straight up rule changes like that than actually not changing the text on cards but pretending the text is changed.

I guess I should've mentioned that was how FFG's restricted lists work. 

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1 hour ago, Mep said:

Okay, I see what you mean by that now. Yeah, there are different ways to define restricted. That actually isn't a bad idea to handle things and is certainly better than errata cards. I prefer straight up rule changes like that than actually not changing the text on cards but pretending the text is changed.

I guess I should've mentioned that was how FFG's restricted lists work. 

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On 10/25/2017 at 3:36 PM, HolySorcerer said:

Agreed.  FFG needs to release an official squad builder, and printouts from said squad builder should be considered valid.  That, or they need to start offering replacement cards for those that receive serious errata.

I think it’s good to bring the cards just so you can prove you own them. But apart from that the print out should be fine. And FFG should 100% produce a squad builder.  

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I would like FFG to release high quality files of the cards that were changed so we could print them out ourself. And they need to make these print outs tournament legal. 

This is the absolut minimum they should do. 

Edited by Reaver027

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On 27.10.2017 at 3:17 AM, JJ48 said:

I do think they should print the updated cards when they reprint the product.  That way, those who don't like the FAQ solution will be able to purchase the updated cards, and they'll even come with a free miniature, to boot!

They do that already. :)

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1 hour ago, Reaver027 said:

I would like FFG to release high quality files of the cards that were changed so we could print them out ourself. And they need to make these print outs tournament legal. 

This is the absolut minimum they should do. 

Why?
Why must those cards tournament legal? The claim that errata card must become freely avaible is absurd. Bring the original card AND your printout. That is tournament legal. 
High Quality files of the new "corrected" cards are already on github ... I would assume, because more or less all list builders use them. 

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21 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

The way it works now, yes. But before the Most Wanted list was first created, they just had a banned/restricted list for the LCGs. 

Yeah that would have been alright before the last nerF.A.Q. but with the changes now I would be more accepting of a straight up point increase (or decrease) errata. Right now there is nothing in print that could not be changed and yes, even the dials can be altered to a point. You can't add or take away maneuvers but you could change the color of said maneuvers through an erratum in the next nerF.A.Q.

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57 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

We REALLY need updated cards.

It should be possible to buy them separately.

It's hard to keep up with alle the changes.

Thanks to the community you can already buy them separately from 3rd party sources. Or even print them just ourselves :)
We have them sometimes as participation prices on tourneys. 

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1 hour ago, chervorlovesu said:

Has anyone ever been to a tournament where the to did not allow custom cards? I don't think those exist. 

I heard most of the tables in the cut at World's had LaRue or Steelle Open custom cards.

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4 hours ago, Cusm said:

I heard most of the tables in the cut at World's had LaRue or Steelle Open custom cards.

They very clearly made an announcement a few times during World's for both Destiny and X-Wing that they were going to issue warnings to people not using official FFG cards, and if they continue to use them after being warned it would escalate to a game loss and then a DQ.

I have no idea how strongly they were enforcing it.

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15 hours ago, Marinealver said:

I'm starting to think X-wing needs a reboot, with rotational card packs in conjunction to model waves.

A 2.0 reboot with a 6-month open beta to get as much feedback as possible before launch.  And in the meantime, make every tournament prize kit for X-Wing consist of packs of errata cards.  I appreciate the new actions and game mechanics FFG has been creating, but I hate how most of the ships in the game were created long before those features were ever invented. 

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12 hours ago, miguelj said:

They very clearly made an announcement a few times during World's for both Destiny and X-Wing that they were going to issue warnings to people not using official FFG cards, and if they continue to use them after being warned it would escalate to a game loss and then a DQ.

I have no idea how strongly they were enforcing it.

This... this is the problem.

If you're going to enforce that people use only your cards then you have a duty to make sure that people are supplied with versions of your cards that are correct.

I have no problem with ffg enforcing that people bring and present their original pilot and upgrade cards at tournaments; it's proof of ownership without which people could just proxy whatever they liked without actually buying the requisite products.

But once said cards have been presented and it has been established that the player actually has everything they are playing with, then there should be little to no problem with a player referring to a list printout or to a custom card for the game (especially if said printout or card carries correct rules text which the "official" card (due to errata) does not)

 

If ffg is going to police the game that hard then they are creating a duty for themselves to put errata'd cards in the hands of the players. Forcing players to use and refer to cards with incorrect text (especially at premier level events) just makes the game look bad

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Indeed, the game needs official fixed cards (without having to buy more expansions). Maybe an online petition? There are a couple official sites to gather signatures and then forward it to FFG. Anyone has any experience with this?

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16 hours ago, miguelj said:

They very clearly made an announcement a few times during World's for both Destiny and X-Wing that they were going to issue warnings to people not using official FFG cards, and if they continue to use them after being warned it would escalate to a game loss and then a DQ.

Are people allowed to use corrected print-outs if they are sleeved in front of the original card?

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13 minutes ago, papy72 said:

Are people allowed to use corrected print-outs if they are sleeved in front of the original card?

In L5R this year, they stated that nothing could be in the sleeve other than the original card itself.

The question asked was if someone could even place a tiny scrap of coloured paper in the sleeve to differentiate between two decks using the same sleeves. Their answer was still no.

if vourse, that is not XWing, but a “nothing but original card” clause is very easy to apply, and basically enforce if they do desired.

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1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

In L5R this year, they stated that nothing could be in the sleeve other than the original card itself.

The question asked was if someone could even place a tiny scrap of coloured paper in the sleeve to differentiate between two decks using the same sleeves. Their answer was still no.

if vourse, that is not XWing, but a “nothing but original card” clause is very easy to apply, and basically enforce if they do desired.

But in a card game anything besides the card in the sleeve is basically marking a card, and it makes since to not allow it. In X-Wing or Armada this is not an issue.

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