A timing doubt in Blood in the Altar... (minimum spoilers)

[morifinwe 18]

Hi, dudes...

I've just finished Blood in the Altar with a friend, he with Zoey and I with Rex... With Rex, it was easy to have only 1 clue on Hidden Chamber, and Zoey with Lightning Gun and 2 upgraded Vicious Blow, easily kills Silas in two rounds... After defeating him, he has an "Evidence!" in hand and wanted to play it. So now Silas was defeated and there is no clues on Hidden Chamber... is this possible? Can he use Evidence after defeating Silas or the act advanced immediately? And if it is possible, what resolution we should follow??

By the moment, we considered that Evidence could be played, and, as defeating Silas happened before, we followed R1... What do you think about this?

[Assussanni 528]

I would say the act deck advances as soon as Silas is defeated. Since “Evidence!” says “play after you defeat an enemy”, you have already advanced to the resolution and there is no opportunity to play the card. Therefore, I agree that Resolution 1 is the correct outcome.

[Soakman 987]

I don't think you would receive the clue, and the act would advance to R1 in this case. Due to the 'after' trigger word on evidence. But I'd have to look at the act card triggers just to be sure it doesn't say to advance the act at the end of the phase or something (I don't think it does).

[morifinwe 18]

The act doesn't advance. It's and objective when Silas is defeatead and go directly to R1 without advancing the act.

[Soakman 987]

I would say based on that information, you probably wouldn't get the opportunity to play evidence.

 

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When: The word “when” refers to the moment immediately after the
specified timing point or triggering condition initiates, but
before its impact upon the game state resolves. The resolution of
a “when” ability interrupts the resolution of its timing point or
triggering condition

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After
The word “after” refers to the moment immediately after the
specified timing point or triggering condition has fully resolved.

In other words, when's interrupt the triggering resolutions, but afters do not, and immediately follow them.

In this case, R1 advances WHEN Silas is defeated, and Evidence is used AFTER he is defeated, therefore, R1 triggers before evidence could.

Edited October 23, 2017 by Soakman

[BD Flory 695]

"If" (the objective) happens before "after," and isn't voluntary. It's essentially a lasting effect that completes as soon as you meet the conditions, whether you like it or not. As such, the act advances and the scenario ends before you can activate any "after" triggers, so you can't collect the clue.

A similar question arose re: Evidence/Roland versus defeating the Ghoul Priest in The Gathering.