Karneck 1,986 Posted October 20, 2017 Gunboat has appeared in many games and i believe a few EU novels. I have a love/hate relationship with it based on the flight sim games. Fighting gunboats in a y-wing usually was a nail biting experience. So many missiles.... 4 DScipio, idiewell, Alpha Xg1 and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ardaedhel 10,840 Posted October 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Karneck said: Fighting gunboats in a y-wing usually was a nail biting experience. So many missiles.... Fighting anything in a Y-wing was a nail-biting experience. Fortunately, it didn't usually last long: it never took long for the Y-wing to die. 5 mcworrell, jamie nasmyth, Eggzavier and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Undeadguy 5,749 Posted October 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said: Fighting anything in a Y-wing was a nail-biting experience. Fortunately, it didn't usually last long: it never took long for the Y-wing to die. And now in Battlefront 2 they take forever to kill. Shields, auto targeting ion cannon, high hull, and astromech to heal you. Shooting down X-Wings was much easier. 2 jamie nasmyth and Stasy reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dominosfleet 1,819 Posted October 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Undeadguy said: And now in Battlefront 2 they take forever to kill. Shields, auto targeting ion cannon, high hull, and astromech to heal you. Shooting down X-Wings was much easier. after the first battlefront i have so little interest in investing in this new one. it could be amazing, best game ever, a true sequel to the first 2 and I'd still wait for it to be 10 dollars. 5 Stasy, Viktor Tanek, Undeadguy and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TallGiraffe 3,447 Posted October 20, 2017 29 minutes ago, dominosfleet said: after the first battlefront i have so little interest in investing in this new one. it could be amazing, best game ever, a true sequel to the first 2 and I'd still wait for it to be 10 dollars. It is good but literally pay to win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madaghmire 7,274 Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, eliteone said: They might flesh out the MC75 preview, spoil some cards....but the expansions are not even at the printing phase, so we're probably at least 3 - 6 months out from retail. Wow holy **** really? I didnt even realize they hadnt hit the printer yet. Thats insane. 1 Tirion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drasnighta 26,831 Posted October 21, 2017 Meanwhile, the Xwing news was basically they moved their wave FORWARD to combine the two. 1 Stasy reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ardaedhel 10,840 Posted October 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Drasnighta said: Meanwhile, the Xwing news was basically they moved their wave FORWARD to combine the two. Does that make it Wave Twerteen? Or Thwelve? 1 Stasy reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viktor Tanek 287 Posted October 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said: Does that make it Wave Twerteen? Or Thwelve? Tween? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolshevik65 120 Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Stasy said: HOW DARE YOU SLANDER THE GUNBOAT!!! I do appreciate the slower schedule Armada has, but honestly after the last wave felt ho-hum, I'm looking for new toys. I'm actually more pumped to try Legion than buy into the next wave of Armada. So the theoretical push into Q1 right now means I can feast on the X Wing Prack© and buy into Legion and worry about Armada in 2018 whenever I feel compelled to spend. I'm not slandering it because I've never heard of it!! Personally the more they dip into the expanded universe the less interest I have. I'm 52 years old and a historical wargamer. My interest in Star Wars computer games and Star Wars novels is zero. I'm a generation too old for them. I just enjoy the films. I think that X-wing would have been a better, more balanced game if the Scum and Villainy faction didn't exist and Galactic Empire and First Order were two separate factions that could not be mixed, the same for the Rebel Alliance and the Resistance. Then, as they're seperated in time by 40 years, they should fight their "historical"opponents. I know what would happen if I put my Spanish Civil War Anarchist Militia from 1936 up against the Spanish army of 1976! They've both got rifles and grenades but there's only going to be one winner. It would be seen as silly but nobody thinks twice about putting Darth Vader in a squadron with First Order ships. Is he a ghost? A zombie?? Undead??? Sadly they've turned it into a pay to win card collecting game where the person who can put together the cleverest card combination wins. Dog fighting no longer matters as turrets, bombs, and ordinance dominate. The iconic ships from the films are little more than cannon fodder as the Jump Masters and all the rest of the scum mega ships and mega abilities laugh at the TIE fighter's pitiful two red dice attacks. I don't think that the new Legion miniatures game will have much effect on Armada's core player base as we seem to be an older, less fickle crowd. I can see that it may well decimate X-Wing's player numbers though. I just get the impression that the game has peaked and FFG are milking it for all it's worth before it starts its long decline. Certainly any pretence of maintaining balance and preventing power creep has gone. I think the new film will arrest that decline somewhat but generally the trend is downwards. Conversely because Armada releases the ships slower the whole game just seems better thought out and is on the up. Not having the overpowered Scum and Villainy faction has certainly helped play balance. We get a chance to learn how to use our ships before the next wave comes out. I simply couldn't be bothered to catch up with X-Wing now, the last ship I bought was the K Wing. It's a shame because for all X-Wing's faults it's still a good game and I want to play it and I want it to be successful but the combination of tournament player's demands and the admittedly understandable desire for the biggest profit possible is running it into the ground. Edited October 21, 2017 by Bolshevik65 7 Stasy, DOMSWAT911, TallGiraffe and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyCake 1,183 Posted October 21, 2017 Where's our article? At the bottom of the Great Pit of Carkoon! 3 Noosh, CaribbeanNinja and Alpha Xg1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbok 9,868 Posted October 21, 2017 Gonna be awhile before we get ours. Gotta wonder why it STILL isn't even at the printer yet. 4 Stasy, Tirion, Battlefleet 01 Studios and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stasy 2,501 Posted October 21, 2017 @Bolshevik65, I'm 35 and video games were part of my youth. But I completely understand your point. There are a bunch of the X Wing ships that even I do not recognize. And I'm probably one of the idiots holding out for more of the video game stuff too. Ultimately I think alot of X Wing as it stands is BS. And the sheer volume means I spent way more on something I play casually 2x a month. The dogfighting part has been greatly replaced by gimmicky auto damage and bombs. And in some ways it's pay to play, but it's a quick and simple game to play. Ultimately, the Gunboat line was in jest. I'm just one of the idiots who was cheering that the **** thing finally showed up. 2 Bolshevik65 and Alpha Xg1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idiewell 550 Posted October 22, 2017 22 hours ago, SkyCake said: Where's our article? At the bottom of the Great Pit of Carkoon! :Grabbing my blasters, thermal detonators and lightsaber: working on it! 3 Alpha Xg1, Stasy and SkyCake reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndogg229 43 Posted October 22, 2017 I'm just very thankful that I got into Armada. I'll take the lack of articles over the drama in the x-wing community any day... 8 Alpha Xg1, TallGiraffe, Megatronrex and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karneck 1,986 Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, ndogg229 said: I'm just very thankful that I got into Armada. I'll take the lack of articles over the drama in the x-wing community any day... Yup, looked at Armada, looked at X-Wing and noped right outta X-Wing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TallGiraffe 3,447 Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, ndogg229 said: I'm just very thankful that I got into Armada. I'll take the lack of articles over the drama in the x-wing community any day... What is going on now? More complaining? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kayarn 159 Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, TallGiraffe said: What is going on now? More complaining? Yup. Its going something like this: People happy to see the gunboat > People not happy about the stats/upgrades gimmicks and complaining > People complaining about the complainers > People happy to see the gunboat ... 1 Tirion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svelok 6,487 Posted October 22, 2017 4 hours ago, TallGiraffe said: What is going on now? More complaining? Best I can tell, it seems like people angry about bombs continue to be angry about bombs and bomb-like things, and/or being angry about the specific nature of the changes being made to nerf bombs. I haven't played X-Wing since demoing the core set but that's my understanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Xg1 455 Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/21/2017 at 8:57 AM, Stasy said: HOW DARE YOU SLANDER THE GUNBOAT!!! I do appreciate the slower schedule Armada has, but honestly after the last wave felt ho-hum, I'm looking for new toys. I'm actually more pumped to try Legion than buy into the next wave of Armada. So the theoretical push into Q1 right now means I can feast on the X Wing Prack© and buy into Legion and worry about Armada in 2018 whenever I feel compelled to spend. Stasy! Agreed! Blasphemy!!! ^Breeeeet^! I would recommend Bolshevik65 to our local ISB Agents - actually this transgression is borderline heretical - I would motion for an inquisition by our Cult of Gunboat bretheren and sisterns! Where's @FTS Gecko when you need him??? On 10/21/2017 at 2:31 PM, Bolshevik65 said: I'm not slandering it because I've never heard of it!! Personally the more they dip into the expanded universe the less interest I have. I'm 52 years old and a historical wargamer. My interest in Star Wars computer games and Star Wars novels is zero. I'm a generation too old for them. I just enjoy the films. I think that X-wing would have been a better, more balanced game if the Scum and Villainy faction didn't exist and Galactic Empire and First Order were two separate factions that could not be mixed, the same for the Rebel Alliance and the Resistance. Then, as they're seperated in time by 40 years, they should fight their "historical"opponents. I know what would happen if I put my Spanish Civil War Anarchist Militia from 1936 up against the Spanish army of 1976! They've both got rifles and grenades but there's only going to be one winner. It would be seen as silly but nobody thinks twice about putting Darth Vader in a squadron with First Order ships. Is he a ghost? A zombie?? Undead??? Sadly they've turned it into a pay to win card collecting game where the person who can put together the cleverest card combination wins. Dog fighting no longer matters as turrets, bombs, and ordinance dominate. The iconic ships from the films are little more than cannon fodder as the Jump Masters and all the rest of the scum mega ships and mega abilities laugh at the TIE fighter's pitiful two red dice attacks. I don't think that the new Legion miniatures game will have much effect on Armada's core player base as we seem to be an older, less fickle crowd. I can see that it may well decimate X-Wing's player numbers though. I just get the impression that the game has peaked and FFG are milking it for all it's worth before it starts its long decline. Certainly any pretence of maintaining balance and preventing power creep has gone. I think the new film will arrest that decline somewhat but generally the trend is downwards. Conversely because Armada releases the ships slower the whole game just seems better thought out and is on the up. Not having the overpowered Scum and Villainy faction has certainly helped play balance. We get a chance to learn how to use our ships before the next wave comes out. I simply couldn't be bothered to catch up with X-Wing now, the last ship I bought was the K Wing. It's a shame because for all X-Wing's faults it's still a good game and I want to play it and I want it to be successful but the combination of tournament player's demands and the admittedly understandable desire for the biggest profit possible is running it into the ground. Honestly, completely agree with you. I guess, not everything in Star Wars is anything to everyone. I think, deep deep down, everyone's Star Wars experience is actually different - that's what makes it SO great! I'm just really really happy that we've got Armada (and X-Wing!) Doesn't make your posts any less blasphemous though! 2 Stasy and Bolshevik65 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FTS Gecko 24,121 Posted October 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Alpha Xg1 said: Stasy! Agreed! Blasphemy!!! ^Breeeeet^! I would recommend Bolshevik65 to our local ISB Agents - actually this transgression is borderline heretical - I would motion for an inquisition by our Cult of Gunboat bretheren and sisterns! Where's @FTS Gecko when you need him... Gadge is a serial whiner. He's been bleating away on every negative topic in the X-Wing forum he can find for months. Do what I do, and ignore him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tirion 2,223 Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/20/2017 at 4:47 PM, TallGiraffe said: It is good but literally pay to win. You literally don't know what that phrase means. Don't be a sheep and listen to people like angry joe 1 FTS Gecko reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drasnighta 26,831 Posted October 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, Tirion said: You literally don't know what that phrase means. Don't be a sheep and listen to people like angry joe The Merriam-Webster dictionary literally added a statement to the definition of literally that states that literally can mean figuratively. 4 Green Knight, ninclouse2000, Tirion and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megatronrex 2,867 Posted October 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Drasnighta said: The Merriam-Webster dictionary literally added a statement to the definition of literally that states that literally can mean figuratively. And that is literally stupid 4 axe238, Ardaedhel, Tirion and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
svelok 6,487 Posted October 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Megatronrex said: And that is literally stupid Dictionaries describe, not prescribe 1 TallGiraffe reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
