Why does Nym have an EPT?

[thespaceinvader 17,538]

1 minute ago, LordBlades said:

I'm in the opinion that Adv. SLAM nerf would only marginally affect Miranda, as EI is not a significantly worse option.

 

Do you have an easier time bombing with PS8 Nym, or PS10 Nym?

EI is a very significantly worse option.

ASLAM means you can focus or TL but you can't bomb.  EI means you can bomb but you can't focus or TL.  I don;t know about you, but at the moment I see far more mirandas using ASLAM to focus or TL than to bomb.

And either way, you lose a major option.  The stress is also a huge penalty.

It's a good nerf.  Probably not enough to stop Miranda being the best single ship in the game, but close.

[Thormind 565]

8 minutes ago, LordBlades said:

I'm in the opinion that Adv. SLAM nerf would only marginally affect Miranda, as EI is not a significantly worse option.

We will have to agree to disagree here. With her limited dial i think being stressed will be an issue depending on the game conditions.

 

18 minutes ago, LordBlades said:

Do you have an easier time bombing with PS8 Nym, or PS10 Nym?

Vs ps7 (or 8 with ini) its exactly the same. Vs higher ps of course the ps10 Nym is better (it's OP...). Thats why i believe a nerf is needed. The ps10 being better doesnt mean the ps8 wouldnt be a perfectly valid ship. It would just be balanced instead of OP.

[LordBlades 2,403]

39 minutes ago, Thormind said:

We will have to agree to disagree here. With her limited dial i think being stressed will be an issue depending on the game conditions.

 

Vs ps7 (or 8 with ini) its exactly the same. Vs higher ps of course the ps10 Nym is better (it's OP...). Thats why i believe a nerf is needed. The ps10 being better doesnt mean the ps8 wouldnt be a perfectly valid ship. It would just be balanced instead of OP.

EI also gets rid of the 'no obstacles and no bump' restriction, so it's not all bad.

 

Regarding Nym being balanced at PS8, if by balanced you mean not vastly better than most ships, it might be. However, in the current meta, bringing a ship that's only balanced is the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gunfight.

 

If you 'balance' Nym without similar nerfs across the board, you're simply killing it as a competitive option. Nothing more IMO.

[Favoritism Flight Games 628]

41 minutes ago, Thormind said:

Vs ps7 (or 8 with ini) its exactly the same. Vs higher ps of course the ps10 Nym is better (it's OP...). Thats why i believe a nerf is needed. The ps10 being better doesnt mean the ps8 wouldnt be a perfectly valid ship. It would just be balanced instead of OP.

I really hate the argument that Nym not at PS10 would be worthless and never played. It's still an amazing, undercosted, amazing dial/upgrade bar ship that will survive the meta regardless because it can be built a million different ways. JUST LIKE THE JUMPMASTER.

[LordBlades 2,403]

5 minutes ago, Favoritism Flight Games said:

I really hate the argument that Nym not at PS10 would be worthless and never played. It's still an amazing, undercosted, amazing dial/upgrade bar ship that will survive the meta regardless because it can be built a million different ways. JUST LIKE THE JUMPMASTER.

Why take ps8 Nym instead of Miranda (if Rebel) or Tel (if Scum) ?

[Favoritism Flight Games 628]

Just now, LordBlades said:

Why take ps8 Nym instead of Miranda (if Rebel) or Tel (if Scum) ?

So if it's not always the best in every scenario, its worthless? Why not just take Miranda AND Nym? PS10 Nym is cancer and bad for the game, just like pre-nerf Phantom. If you can't agree with that statement, we have nothing more to discuss.

[hawk32 495]

8 minutes ago, LordBlades said:

Why take ps8 Nym instead of Miranda (if Rebel) or Tel (if Scum) ?

Why take anything that isn't 3 contracted scouts?

[LordBlades 2,403]

1 minute ago, hawk32 said:

Why take anything that isn't 3 contracted scouts?

There's a bunch of stuff that can match or beat contracted scouts, as shown by major tournament results.

8 minutes ago, Favoritism Flight Games said:

So if it's not always the best in every scenario, its worthless? Why not just take Miranda AND Nym? PS10 Nym is cancer and bad for the game, just like pre-nerf Phantom. If you can't agree with that statement, we have nothing more to discuss.

When I build a competitive squad, I build to win. Therefore why take a ship if there is a better option for similar role/point value? I think that a PS8  Nym would be COMPETITIVELY worthless. Then, if Nym is not wirth it from a competitive standpoint, what's left? Bring a PS8 bomber with infinite bombs to casual game night.

 

For the record I disagree that Nym is any more 'cancer' and 'bad for the game' than a lot of other things that have existed, exist currently (Miranda with Sabine being at the top of my list) or will exist in the game (FFG isn't improving their process overnight).

[hawk32 495]

Just now, LordBlades said:

There's a bunch of stuff that can match or beat contracted scouts, as shown by major tournament results.

 

Oh, so raw efficiency isn't the end all be all.

[Thormind 565]

1 hour ago, LordBlades said:

EI also gets rid of the 'no obstacles and no bump' restriction, so it's not all bad.

 

Regarding Nym being balanced at PS8, if by balanced you mean not vastly better than most ships, it might be. However, in the current meta, bringing a ship that's only balanced is the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gunfight.

 

If you 'balance' Nym without similar nerfs across the board, you're simply killing it as a competitive option. Nothing more IMO.

When a ship is more OP than stuff that were already OP (ie triple scouts for example) there is a problem... at PS8 he would still be in the top lists. There would just be some room left for "lower than ps11" aces.

[Thormind 565]

1 hour ago, LordBlades said:

Why take ps8 Nym instead of Miranda (if Rebel) or Tel (if Scum) ?

Because it's just as good?

[LordBlades 2,403]

9 minutes ago, Thormind said:

Because it's just as good?

I don't see it. I view Miranda as vastly superior to PS8 Nym (somewhat better bomber,vastly better late game ship due to her ability) and I'd also take a PS9 Tel with torps over a PS8 Nym any day of the week.

[Favoritism Flight Games 628]

Just now, LordBlades said:

I don't see it. I view Miranda as vastly superior to PS8 Nym (somewhat better bomber,vastly better late game ship due to her ability) and I'd also take a PS9 Tel with torps over a PS8 Nym any day of the week.

I just can't believe your opposition to reigning in Nym is "because then he won't be as powerful as the most powerful ship in the game". He is cancer. Miranda may be too, but this thread is  ABOUT NYM!

[LordBlades 2,403]

48 minutes ago, Favoritism Flight Games said:

He is cancer.

That's like your opinion. Not a fact.

 

And yes,my argument us that Nym needs an EPT IN THE CURRENT META because IMO he wouldn't be viable as a competitive ship without it due to better alternatives.

Edited October 17, 2017 by LordBlades

[thespaceinvader 17,538]

4 hours ago, LordBlades said:

Why take ps8 Nym instead of Miranda (if Rebel) or Tel (if Scum) ?

Why not Tel?

Tel don't get no TLTs and Bomblets.