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3 minutes ago, Matrim said:

its true I like facilitating players enjoying playing whatever clan they want. If I had an issue with that then I would be the one with the problem.

but I am sure your gaming group loves having someone as selfrighteous as your good self to ensure they play what you require.

Since basic English comprehension seems beyond your grasp, I shall bid you a good day.

Should you wish, however, me to convert my responses into whatever your native tongue is, let me know and I will see what online resource seems most efficient for that task.

I am happy to facilitate your growth in the magnificent language of Shakespeare, Chaucer, and Dickens!

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idk - I feel the frustration of playing the mirror match every time.  I love playing Scorpion, and prefer to play Scorpion for most games.  If another player had a similar preference I would hope we could exchange games both of the mirror, and each alternating to other clan options...  Variety is good. 

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1 hour ago, selderane said:

Since basic English comprehension seems beyond your grasp, I shall bid you a good day.

Should you wish, however, me to convert my responses into whatever your native tongue is, let me know and I will see what online resource seems most efficient for that task.

I am happy to facilitate your growth in the magnificent language of Shakespeare, Chaucer, and Dickens!

By of course, not using at least one of those writer's language. :D

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Clan loyalty I think will become more mainstay as events take place and more options for each clan is given. In L5R CCG, when I played Crane, I had a Political Honor Gain deck, that played completely different from my Military Daidoji Iron Crane Scout deck, which played differently from my Duelist honor gain deck. Increasing the number of cards will increase options and deck types for the clans.

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45 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

By of course, not using at least one of those writer's language. :D

You never know.

Dude might walk away sounding really strange. :P

Now I gotta see if Google can translate moon language into Chaucer. Because that would be amazing!

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28 minutes ago, selderane said:

You never know.

Dude might walk away sounding really strange. :P

Now I gotta see if Google can translate moon language into Chaucer. Because that would be amazing!

It's already half way there. shouldn't be too hard.

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3 hours ago, selderane said:

Encouraging the playgroup to play everything so they know all the options from all sides? Selfishness!

I'll play this player in a heartbeat if he'd be as considerate as everyone else. We have plenty of Scorpion decks and players. We're not for want of that.

And I have no problem with the mirror match and will happily play it with someone who wants the practice. But I'm disinterested in accommodating someone who isn't willing to return the favor.

That dude can play whatever way he wants. It's a card game and he's free to pursue fun in his own way. I simply find the behavior selfish and I opt not to facilitate it.

But you do you, bro.

I mean...you're kind of arrogant here man. You keep railing against this dude for being clan loyal, yet everything in your speech and content shows you're a clan loyalist.

You're complaints aren't that playing against a single clan is boring, but how the mirror match is boring. That someone is playing what you're playing. Nothing in what you've said here shows you're willing to play other clans, just that this person refuses to play something else against you. I mean, that's why people are calling you selfish dude.

But then again, you're also completely mocking people and foreign languages, while trying to act brilliant while completely missing that Chaucer didn't speak the same language as Dickens. ;)

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10 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

I mean...you're kind of arrogant here man. You keep railing against this dude for being clan loyal, yet everything in your speech and content shows you're a clan loyalist.

You're complaints aren't that playing against a single clan is boring, but how the mirror match is boring. That someone is playing what you're playing. Nothing in what you've said here shows you're willing to play other clans, just that this person refuses to play something else against you. I mean, that's why people are calling you selfish dude.

But then again, you're also completely mocking people and foreign languages, while trying to act brilliant while completely missing that Chaucer didn't speak the same language as Dickens. ;)

Fair enough. Since you're not outright attacking me, I'm willing to cede that my tone may seem arrogant.

I'm playing Scorpion, Unicorn, and Phoenix. So, I'll happily play other clans. And since the point of my aggravation isn't coming across, for whatever reason, I'll stop talking about it.

I will not, however, cede that Chaucer and Dickens didn't speak the same language! That is a bridge too far. :D

While Chaucer's English is very distinctive from Dickens', they are both still very much English. Chaucer isn't called 'The Father of English Literature' ironically. His contributions to the language and its development are immeasurable.

I sense you may delineate Chaucer's English from Dickens' English because of more primitive form utilized by Chaucer when compared to Dickens, but that gulf is far narrower between Chaucer and Shakespeare, and no one in their right mind would say the Bard of Avon didn't also speak Dickens' language.

Nevermind that Chaucer was a direct source for some of Shakespeare's works, and Chaucer most definitely influenced other Elizabethan writers of the time.

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For clarification. Chaucer spoke and wrote in Middle English. Which is a different language than Modern English. While very similar, being an earlier form of Modern English, it is classified as a different language, and isn't the same as the language of Shakespeare or Dickens.

in the 1400s massive changes started to occur in how words were pronounced, and in that time standardization of how words would be spelled occurred, this rough period of time is referred to as Early Modern English, which lasted until the late 1600s. this is the period in which Shakespeare was an author.

Dickens, of course, is an author who wrote in Modern English.

So, I just nerded out about the English language, and it was fun. But I find these things fascinating, like I find languages of all kinds fascinating.

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9 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

For clarification. Chaucer spoke and wrote in Middle English. Which is a different language than Modern English. While very similar, being an earlier form of Modern English, it is classified as a different language, and isn't the same as the language of Shakespeare or Dickens.

in the 1400s massive changes started to occur in how words were pronounced, and in that time standardization of how words would be spelled occurred, this rough period of time is referred to as Early Modern English, which lasted until the late 1600s. this is the period in which Shakespeare was an author.

Dickens, of course, is an author who wrote in Modern English.

So, I just nerded out about the English language, and it was fun. But I find these things fascinating, like I find languages of all kinds fascinating.

I love nerding out about English!

And I completely understand the very distinct differences that emerged as English matured. I suppose, however, I consider Chaucer like I would a great-great-great-great-great-grandfather.

There may be little genetic material of him in my blood, but he's still family.

And as far as giants of the language go, there's absolutely no reason Chaucer shouldn't share company with Shakespeare and Dickens.

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1 hour ago, Zesu Shadaban said:

Ah, linguistic history...this takes me back to my college days. Thanks for this, even if it is derailing the topic (which to be fair I think derailed a page or two ago). :lol:

Ahhh the L5R LCG Boards. Come for the entertaining discussions about condiments and the relative curvedness of swords, stay for the linguistic history lessons. You learn something new every day. :D

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Those of us on the otherside of the wall love lanyards.  We hang clan champions heads on them to decorate the many paths here in the Shadowlands.

FFG, bring back the shadowlands soon!
 

Yogo Junzo waits to open the fist of the black scrolls, creating the deadly wasting disease across Rokugan. Yes my servant awaits!

 

 

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Those of us on the otherside of the wall love lanyards.  We hang clan champions heads on them to decorate the many paths here in the Shadowlands.

FFG, bring back the shadowlands soon!
 

Yogo Junzo waits to open the fist of the black scrolls, creating the deadly wasting disease across Rokugan. Yes my servant awaits!

 

 

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Those of us on the otherside of the wall love lanyards.  We hang clan champions heads on them to decorate the many paths here in the Shadowlands.

FFG, bring back the shadowlands soon!
 

Yogo Junzo waits to open the fist of the black scrolls, creating the deadly wasting disease across Rokugan. Yes my servant awaits!

 

 

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Those of us on the otherside of the wall love lanyards.  We hang clan champions heads on them to decorate the many paths here in the Shadowlands.

FFG, bring back the shadowlands soon!
 

Yogo Junzo waits to open the fist of the black scrolls, creating the deadly wasting disease across Rokugan. Yes my servant awaits!

 

 

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Those of us on the otherside of the wall love lanyards.  We hang clan champions heads on them to decorate the many paths here in the Shadowlands.

FFG, bring back the shadowlands soon!
 

Yogo Junzo waits to open the fist of the black scrolls, creating the deadly wasting disease across Rokugan. Yes my servant awaits!

 

 

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5 hours ago, RandomJC said:

For clarification. Chaucer spoke and wrote in Middle English. Which is a different language than Modern English. While very similar, being an earlier form of Modern English, it is classified as a different language, and isn't the same as the language of Shakespeare or Dickens.

in the 1400s massive changes started to occur in how words were pronounced, and in that time standardization of how words would be spelled occurred, this rough period of time is referred to as Early Modern English, which lasted until the late 1600s. this is the period in which Shakespeare was an author.

Dickens, of course, is an author who wrote in Modern English.

So, I just nerded out about the English language, and it was fun. But I find these things fascinating, like I find languages of all kinds fascinating.

From what little I've heard, the primary difference is really in the vowel sounds.  There are other, minor differences of course, but listening to someone reading Chaucer sounds far more alien than actually reading Chaucer yourself, since a good amount of his words are spelled similarly (or even identically) to the Modern English equivalent.

Old English is a different language.  Middle English is more akin to a different dialect.

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1 hour ago, Fu Leng said:

Those of us on the otherside of the wall love lanyards.  We hang clan champions heads on them to decorate the many paths here in the Shadowlands.

FFG, bring back the shadowlands soon!
 

Yogo Junzo waits to open the fist of the black scrolls, creating the deadly wasting disease across Rokugan. Yes my servant awaits!

 

 

Holy Multi-post, Batman! :blink:

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9 hours ago, JJ48 said:

From what little I've heard, the primary difference is really in the vowel sounds.  There are other, minor differences of course, but listening to someone reading Chaucer sounds far more alien than actually reading Chaucer yourself, since a good amount of his words are spelled similarly (or even identically) to the Modern English equivalent.

Old English is a different language.  Middle English is more akin to a different dialect.

It's harder to say than that, since dialect v. language isn't really about pronunciation and the written word. It's more complicated and is often brought down to whether the two versions are comprehensible to one another, and since half the language is not (verbal) and half is kind of understandable (written), it isn't a simple cut and dry situation. But from what I've read, Middle English is on the Different language side of that line, even if they've got a few toes in the dialect side.

Think of it much like Mandarin and Cantonese. They are often classified as separate languages because spoken aloud they are near incomprehensible from another, but in their written form they are very similar.

But, of course, their isn't really a clear definition of when a language stops being a dialect, and starts being a different language, so it's perfectly up for debate on whether you'd like to consider Middle English a dialect or a different language. But as I am aware, middle English is commonly referred to as if it is a separate language, because of the great change in which words are pronounced. 

With that, I'm off for the night, but I'll give out a bit of fun for our native English speakers out there. Find some text in German (or dutch, I am told) and look through it. It's kind of fun to see words that are very familiar to your own, but are drastically different as well. You may even find yourself understanding some of it, because both languages share the same root. :D

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