Salon des Perdants - Vassal Autumn Tourney

[doobleg 658]

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Only two games to go in the exciting first round!

@comatose vs. @doobleg

and

@BrobaFett vs. @Visovics

10 hours and counting to @comatosevs doobleg.

 

Ahaaa, and my fleet is being used in the second game. Go, @Visovics!!!

Edited October 16, 2017 by doobleg

[BrobaFett 4,209]

Vis and I are supposed to square off sometime early this week but I haven't heard from him yet.

[Ginkapo 9,321]

30 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

Vis and I are supposed to square off sometime early this week but I haven't heard from him yet.

He had Duke of Edinbrough this weekend, but didnt realise so organised himself last minute. I think he will be in touch tomorrow. 

[BrobaFett 4,209]

Yeah we talked about that last week, and i know he has been busy but my schedule is pretty open so soon as he is back ill be aroubd.

[doobleg 658]

@comatose vs Doobleg concludes with a 225-0 win to me.

 

Coma went second, and I chose his Minefields objective. Coma placed most of the obstacles and mines in the setup areas so they wouldn't get in the way.

 

We were firing by round two, with my Doom Pickle throwing our broadsides while Coma's Cyamoon ISD was bombarding me with an endless stream of red dice. The Arq helped from a distance, but failed to roll accuracies so I could send the brace that the ISD so cruelly denied me every shot.

 

I managed to slip around the front arc of the ISD using engine techs, and then proceeded to hunt the Arquitens. Having been stripped of shields, Coma turned the Arquitens north - it was a bold play, as he was sure to run out of space real fast, but this ensured he would get at least two more rounds of firing in while the ISD was turning back around.

 

Cornered, the Arquitens put up one **** of a fight, but was finished off in the final round. The ISD had returned, however, and launched a devastating salvo that would have all but destroyed my Doom Pickle, were it not for Coma's generosity in allowing me earlier in the round to close the Blast Doors that I had carelessly left open at the start of the round. Without this noble act, we would have joined each other in a fiery embrace of death, as the ISD would have rammed my ship to death even as it was forced by the collision to overlap the board edge. With the blast doors down, however, my Doom Pickle survived on three hull.

 

This is a really solid list that @Dupy has put together. At this points level a single ship list is actually pretty solid. Also, I had thought Garm a useless commander, but in this format and with this ship, he's the man! The nav and repair tokens were a real boon.

 

From this entry, you probably didn't know that I had squadrons. I left them out because they were USELESS!!!

 

A really fun game against an awesome, courageous opponent. Cheers, Coma!

 

Logfile is here.

Edited October 17, 2017 by doobleg

[Tokra 2,147]

7 hours ago, doobleg said:

Coma went second, and I chose his Minefields objective. Coma placed most of the obstacles and mines in the setup areas so they wouldn't get in the way.

 

Adding Minefields to the fleet without strategic is really risky on a 3x3 map. It was a bonus for you, that you had a VCX with strategic.

And the setup of the obstacles is difficult with this mission, because of the distance 5. There are only two ways to setup the obstacles (two ways that i know). This way, that Coma did, made the middle area wide open and gives a lot of free space. The other way 1, 2, 1, 2 fills the board way better, and allows to place the mines in a better way. But with strategic it does not really help.

So bad, that Comatose messed up the commands in the end (or better didnt save any tokens). He would not flow off the map if he had a navigate token or dial

[Tokra 2,147]

On 15.10.2017 at 0:28 AM, CaribbeanNinja said:

If you guys have any really smart ways to do it, I'm all ears.

Right now the only thing that is certain is that I'll pair players by their MOV. (Like a normal tourney)

It may not be possible to do it with lists as well.  If I cannot, then I'll just go ahead and randomize the lists again.

At least for the next round it would be easy enough.
Just sort the Lists as well via score and MOV.
Do the pairing by player (based on score and MOV) and hand them the lists from upside down. Best player (with highest MOV) gets the list with the lowest score. And so on. There might be only a few pairings in the middle where you have to watch with list owner and player. But the top and bottom field will for sure get lists that are not their own, will not play against their own and will not play with a list they had in the previous round.

There might be just a few pairings in the middle where you have to look. And even more in the next round.

But i think doing it this way is way more interessting.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

2 hours ago, Tokra said:

At least for the next round it would be easy enough.
Just sort the Lists as well via score and MOV.
Do the pairing by player (based on score and MOV) and hand them the lists from upside down. Best player (with highest MOV) gets the list with the lowest score. And so on. There might be only a few pairings in the middle where you have to watch with list owner and player. But the top and bottom field will for sure get lists that are not their own, will not play against their own and will not play with a list they had in the previous round.

There might be just a few pairings in the middle where you have to look. And even more in the next round.

But i think doing it this way is way more interessting.

Yeah I'm going to attempt this, as it seems the most fair.  I may have to do a lot of tweaking but I do think this will be the most logical, fair, and interesting way to go.

[Visovics 1,675]

ALRIGHT PEOPLE!

Viso V Broba match of the round will be starting soon!!

Always leaving the main spectacle to last am I right?  

[Visovics 1,675]

Game concluded!

235-0 to me, 225 MoV if I am correct on counting?

So (for once) I was first player, and chose Broba's contested outpost.

All ships started at speed 0, he covered all my deployment with G7-X, and I got his middle, which is also where he had put the station. Surprisingly, Dr. Alex didn't give any ofthe ints grav shift reroute, and as I had it, I managed to get the station to a fair distance of both, along some obstacles around.

As our ships moved into conflict, Broba was having to both dodge the obstacles and his own ships to reach the outpost, his flagship took consistent damage over a debris field... meanwhile my dice luck was over the top with Demo and APTs were rocking around. Short story short, both his interdictors were eaten.

I feel like every time I witness Broba on Vassal he just has some kind of dice curse, rarely see good rolls for him  

Anyway, thank you very much for all the wait @BrobaFett, even tho it was short and not much happened, you did the best possible in that scenario against the grav shift reroute and I truly didn't know how this could go when we deployed. 

Logfile: (only remembered after deployment, sorry)

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8X0ytKLN2DPc3NuQWhhOVJrOGs

Edited October 17, 2017 by Visovics

[BrobaFett 4,209]

Thanks for a good match as always Vis! True pleasure to play against one of my favorite vassal opponents round 1!

[comatose 552]

11 hours ago, Tokra said:

Adding Minefields to the fleet without strategic is really risky on a 3x3 map. It was a bonus for you, that you had a VCX with strategic.

And the setup of the obstacles is difficult with this mission, because of the distance 5. There are only two ways to setup the obstacles (two ways that i know). This way, that Coma did, made the middle area wide open and gives a lot of free space. The other way 1, 2, 1, 2 fills the board way better, and allows to place the mines in a better way. But with strategic it does not really help.

So bad, that Comatose messed up the commands in the end (or better didnt save any tokens). He would not flow off the map if he had a navigate token or dial

I knew that choosing 2nd would mean he would almost certainly choose Minefields. I wasn't too concerned because I felt like he would have a hard time forcing me to hit very many mines. In the end, he only managed one mine hit. I'm not sure what @JJs Juggernaut was thinking with choosing that objective since there's not even a single TIE Fighter to prevent a Strategic squadron from being a bad day.

My main excuse for the maneuvering is that I haven't played Imperials for over a year.  I think I did the right thing in choosing second player, and I think I would save the Thrawn maneuvers for later turns on a replay. On a small map with possibly speed 3 ships, those maneuver commands would have been more valuable in later turns while letting me stack CF commands earlier.

I don't think you're giving @doobleg enough credit though for his final navigation with the MC80. He probably could have turned inside the ISD to avoid the worst of the attack, but instead he maneuvered in a way that all but guaranteed that I went off the board. It would have been super close with a navigation command at speed 2.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

With the Vis /Broba match done Round 1 is in the books! 

Well done gentlemen!

I'll crunch it all up as soon as possible for the exciting continuation into round 2!

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

And hot ****! @doobleggets the top slot with a max 20 total points and max 450 total MOV!

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

And here is Round 2!

Player	List #	List received R2	Playing R2
Doobleg	8	JJs Juggernaut	Tokra
Tokra	20	SkyCake	Doobleg
Dorrin	15	BrobaFett	Dupy
Dupy	10	dr alex	Dorrin
CaribbeanNinja	1	Maturin	Visovics
Visovics	17	Comatose	CaribbeanNinja
irishmadcat	19	Blingvarr	Moodswing
Moodswing	4	Visovics	irishmadcat
JJs Juggernaut	3	irishmadcat	DoubleDown217
DoubleDown217	11	Thrindal	JJs Juggernaut
Doppelganger	14	PartyPotato	Maturin
Maturin	2	GhostOfNobodyinParticular	Doppelganger
GhostOfNobodyinParticular	16	DoubleDown217	Blingvarr
Blingvarr	12	CaribbeanNinja	GhostOfNobodyInParticular
PartyPotato	5	Doppelganger	Thrindal
Thrindal	6	Moodswing	PartyPotato
SkyCake	9	Tokra	dr alex
dr alex	18	Dorrin	SkyCake
Comatose	7	Doobleg	Brobafett
BrobaFett	13	Dupy	Comatose

Go forth and wreck these ships!

[JJs Juggernaut 1,843]

2 hours ago, comatose said:

I knew that choosing 2nd would mean he would almost certainly choose Minefields. I wasn't too concerned because I felt like he would have a hard time forcing me to hit very many mines. In the end, he only managed one mine hit. I'm not sure what @JJs Juggernaut was thinking with choosing that objective since there's not even a single TIE Fighter to prevent a Strategic squadron from being a bad day.

My main excuse for the maneuvering is that I haven't played Imperials for over a year.  I think I did the right thing in choosing second player, and I think I would save the Thrawn maneuvers for later turns on a replay. On a small map with possibly speed 3 ships, those maneuver commands would have been more valuable in later turns while letting me stack CF commands earlier.

I don't think you're giving @doobleg enough credit though for his final navigation with the MC80. He probably could have turned inside the ISD to avoid the worst of the attack, but instead he maneuvered in a way that all but guaranteed that I went off the board. It would have been super close with a navigation command at speed 2.

Because there probably wouldn't be much strategic in a 225 game...And I was right.

Also you being a stand up gentleman didn't just cost yourself points...  

[Thrindal 1,295]

1 hour ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

And here is Round 2!

 

Player	List #	List received R2	Playing R2
Doobleg	8	JJs Juggernaut	Tokra
Tokra	20	SkyCake	Doobleg
Dorrin	15	BrobaFett	Dupy
Dupy	10	dr alex	Dorrin
CaribbeanNinja	1	Maturin	Visovics
Visovics	17	Comatose	CaribbeanNinja
irishmadcat	19	Blingvarr	Moodswing
Moodswing	4	Visovics	irishmadcat
JJs Juggernaut	3	irishmadcat	DoubleDown217
DoubleDown217	11	Thrindal	JJs Juggernaut
Doppelganger	14	PartyPotato	Maturin
Maturin	2	GhostOfNobodyinParticular	Doppelganger
GhostOfNobodyinParticular	16	DoubleDown217	Blingvarr
Blingvarr	12	CaribbeanNinja	GhostOfNobodyInParticular
PartyPotato	5	Doppelganger	Thrindal
Thrindal	6	Moodswing	PartyPotato
SkyCake	9	Tokra	dr alex
dr alex	18	Dorrin	SkyCake
Comatose	7	Doobleg	Brobafett
BrobaFett	13	Dupy	Comatose

Go forth and wreck these ships!

Will you be PMing our objectives?  I got nearly the same list as last time (not the same), I hope I fly this one better.

[doobleg 658]

@CaribbeanNinja

I see how you've put the better performing lists with the players who scored least points, etc. Issue here is that Brobafett is facing my list for a second time in round two. Do any other players have a similar situation?

Edited October 18, 2017 by doobleg

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

1 hour ago, doobleg said:

@CaribbeanNinja

I see how you've put the better performing lists with the players who scored least points, etc. Issue here is that Brobafett is facing my list for a second time in round two. Do any other players have a similar situation?

Yup! I'm facing Comatose's pickle again too.  

I say we roll with it if that's okay.  I'll send objectives soon

 

[comatose 552]

3 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

Because there probably wouldn't be much strategic in a 225 game...And I was right.

Also you being a stand up gentleman didn't just cost yourself points...  

Hmmm, that's a good point, I hadn't thought about that angle of it hurting a second player, too. I'll be more ruthless next time.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

All Pm's sent.  You have your lists commanders. Do battle!

(Let me know if I missed you)

 

[Dr alex 591]

Whoop, the only person doing worse than me is @BrobaFett, who had my list.

the universe may be telling me something

[Doppelganger 305]

4 hours ago, Dr alex said:

the universe may be telling me something

"It ain't over till the fat lady sings!"- the universe

[Tokra 2,147]

8 hours ago, doobleg said:

@CaribbeanNinja

I see how you've put the better performing lists with the players who scored least points, etc. Issue here is that Brobafett is facing my list for a second time in round two. Do any other players have a similar situation?

Playing against the same list for a second time is not such a big problem. It is a different person who is playing the list and you have a different list as well.

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,497]

3 minutes ago, Tokra said:

Playing against the same list for a second time is not such a big problem. It is a different person who is playing the list and you have a different list as well.

Which brings up the fact that Maturin is playing my list again, albeit against a different opponent.