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Thanks to those who helped me with this, most notably @Ardaedhel and @Maturin

Maturin would like to know if I think Assault Proton Torpedo's would be better. Honestly, when I am not using long range crits I would rather just have the extra damage, it makes the chances of popping small to medium ships so much higher. I might have got lucky against Laurence and gained a useful crit which hurt him badly and stopped him escaping, but if that was my plan, then surely I would be better of with Dodonna?

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Fantastic write up Ginkapo.  What a stellar explanation of Sato theory.  And your implementation of said theory was great to follow - that's where I usually fall down. :P

 

I believe you have made Sato a pariah no longer!

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I would take APTs over ACMs any day. Forcing faceup after faceup on a target is fun for shenanigans, even if it ends up being one less damage. It is a point less expensive too so you get extra bid.

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Loved this write-up. Thanks for the detail you go into, especially an actual picture of deployment. That really help to envisage what you're thinking about.

Thanks also for showing your working at every step. That's really informative when it comes to list building myself. @Maturinand several others were really helpful in a thread where I asked for advice recently and it's made me better at piecing together components of a new fleet.

Lastly, props to Sato. It was great to hear how he affected the fight, even when you weren't actually using him. That's a respectable position to finish in too.

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4 hours ago, Nickvr628 said:

I would take APTs over ACMs any day. Forcing faceup after faceup on a target is fun for shenanigans, even if it ends up being one less damage. It is a point less expensive too so you get extra bid.

It's two points less expensive, but that one point more damage is worth it in certain scenarios.

His reasoning is sound:  he's saving points over APT+XI7 for more damage throughput and comparable effect.  Against big ships, ACM is far superior to APT.  You're going to have to burn through those shields anyway because you're throwing all blacks (so no accs), and the APT crits alone are very rarely going to take down a big ship unaugmented.

Let me demonstrate...

Scenario:

The MC30 is getting Sato shots from whatever source, it doesn't matter.  The ISD2 has just been lured into a trap!  It has been forced to land in the unactivated MC30's double arc.  The MC30 is also not moving, so it's going to get two double arc shots into the ISD.  This is for simplicity--this scenario actually generally favors the APT, with its targeted vs. splash damage.  These are live, OE-modified rolls (I'll use the same die rolls for both), and I'll just draw crits on the flop.

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Variant 1 (APT)

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The APT fished up a couple of fairly nasty crits there, and the ISD will still die... assuming it takes any more shots.  But it's not dead yet.  Even if it had pulled the statistically-likely single Structural Damage, it would have two hull left. Yes, I forgot to show that the brace was discarded in that last picture, but I did account for it.

Variant 2 (ACM)

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Way overkilled.  Leaving space for a few bad rolls in there. Dangit, I screwed up that brace token here, too...

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This isn't to say ACM > APT in all scenarios, mind you.  They just have different purposes.  With Dodonna, APTs are indisputably better, for example.  I myself take APT over ACM in my 4x MC30 list, because I specifically need to be able to one-shot Raiders, CR90s, and GR75s.

But for this list, which is just looking to crap damage all over everything and **** the defense tokens, particularly given that it also does splash damage with Salvation, ACM is the way to go.

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53 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Very good job on this.  Great stuff!

Now that you've forged a path with Sato, what are your current thoughts about the MC30s and Ackbar compared to him?

Shameless plug for those who dont know what you are talking about; https://archiveofossus.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/ackbar-mc30-star-destroyers/

Short version, an Ackbar Star Destroyer is an MC30 Torp with Enhanced Armaments and Sensor Teams to roll an unholy 8 dice without concentrate fire and guarentee an accuracy to lock down that brace/scatter.

Ackbar MC30's were wonderful, they worked in such harmony creating a symphony on the table. However, they were severly hamstrung in a couple of ways. Ackbar HAD to go first, there is no hiding from it, that fleet could not go second. Secondly, these days Tycho cannot deal with enemy squads so easily, intel is everywhere and general squad damage has increased, and being squadronless is much tougher.

I do love to take the Ackbar MC30s out for a spin every so often, and its lovely to know that their are two stores where I am notorious because of that list. :D Does not matter how many times I run Konstantine, I still turn up to their store champs and I am the guy who ran those MC30s that time and tabled everyone. :D Sadly, this wouldnt happen anymore, the game has evolved to a better place.

Sato MC30's on the other hand also offer a glorious ammount of damage boost which I look for in an Admiral, but come with conditions that make him much more suited to a flexible fleet. The requirement to have squadrons means you arent severly skewed as a fleet with at least some form of screen required. Once you add VCX's the objective trio becomes absolutely horrendous for your opponent to choose from, and if they should let you go first, well its a 6 activation MC30 fleet. Ackbar used to table or be tabled, there was no in between. Sato on the other hand has no real bad matchup and ranges more from the narrow loss of 5-6 to 9-2 victories, which makes is much more suited to the tournament scene.

Either way, its time for me to return to Konstantine and keep trying to dig him out of obscurity.

Thanks @Ardaedhel, that is exactly it. The aim is not to cripple an ISD, but to destroy it within one turn irrespective of what upgrades it has. APT's cripple, ACM's destroy. If you were using scout MC30s then APT's may be better as you can hurt the ISD badly with face up crits on the way in. In all fairness though, the exact load out of the MC30s is probably the least important aspect of the fleet, its the overall composition, objectives and flexibility in deployment which make it so strong.

ps Any people who claim that running MC30s with defensive admirals Mothma/Cracken is fun are actually insane. MOAR dice is way more fun!

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1 hour ago, SkyCake said:

Read the opening paragraph and liked blind!

Its a Ginkapo article.  You know it is going to be well thought out, well presented, and well written, with the right dab of wit thrown in. :)

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7 hours ago, Vergilius said:

Its a Ginkapo article.  You know it is going to be well thought out, well presented, and well written, with the right dab of wit thrown in. :)

Raw, unedited. I wrote 3000 words in just over an hour. :)

I have a Konstantine article in draft I just cant write. 

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18 minutes ago, Green Knight said:

ISD has Damage Control officer.

Targeting Scrambler Dictor not showing in picture.

Running Tagge - this was round 2, going to 3.

You argument is invalid :ph34r:

How does it invalidate ACMs vs APTs? 

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1 minute ago, Ginkapo said:

How does it invalidate ACMs vs APTs? 

It invalidates both.

But I'm just kidding with you - how often do you see such a combination?

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On 9/16/2017 at 9:32 PM, Ginkapo said:

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 Thank you for great article! I love good reading on AAR as well as strategy articles. I don't have too much time to play, but thanks to people like you, Vergilius,  Stell Squadron Team and many others I still can stay up to date with the game, read on others successes (and failures) and have fun with theory crafting. 

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2 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Raw, unedited. I wrote 3000 words in just over an hour. :)

I have a Konstantine article in draft I just cant write. 

As a professional writer and editor, I will say that writing is first and foremost thinking.  If the thinking is in place, then 3000 words in an hour unedited is within the realm of expectation. :)

 

Think some more on konstatine.

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On 17/9/2017 at 0:30 PM, Ardaedhel said:

It's two points less expensive, but that one point more damage is worth it in certain scenarios.

His reasoning is sound:  he's saving points over APT+XI7 for more damage throughput and comparable effect.  Against big ships, ACM is far superior to APT.  You're going to have to burn through those shields anyway because you're throwing all blacks (so no accs), and the APT crits alone are very rarely going to take down a big ship unaugmented.

Let me demonstrate...

Scenario:

The MC30 is getting Sato shots from whatever source, it doesn't matter.  The ISD2 has just been lured into a trap!  It has been forced to land in the unactivated MC30's double arc.  The MC30 is also not moving, so it's going to get two double arc shots into the ISD.  This is for simplicity--this scenario actually generally favors the APT, with its targeted vs. splash damage.  These are live, OE-modified rolls (I'll use the same die rolls for both), and I'll just draw crits on the flop.

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Variant 1 (APT)

Swm12_assault-proton-torpedoes.png

 

PrmPdPz.png

cyZss53.png

RNCQbkz.png

ziANERz.png

The APT fished up a couple of fairly nasty crits there, and the ISD will still die... assuming it takes any more shots.  But it's not dead yet.  Even if it had pulled the statistically-likely single Structural Damage, it would have two hull left. Yes, I forgot to show that the brace was discarded in that last picture, but I did account for it.

Variant 2 (ACM)

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pPXsxCd.png

uw1wwKo.png

REevWYs.png

ROtiAYY.png

Way overkilled.  Leaving space for a few bad rolls in there. Dangit, I screwed up that brace token here, too...

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This isn't to say ACM > APT in all scenarios, mind you.  They just have different purposes.  With Dodonna, APTs are indisputably better, for example.  I myself take APT over ACM in my 4x MC30 list, because I specifically need to be able to one-shot Raiders, CR90s, and GR75s.

But for this list, which is just looking to crap damage all over everything and **** the defense tokens, particularly given that it also does splash damage with Salvation, ACM is the way to go.

That was the reason I used ACM at the regional. I liked to chain 2 glads attacks with ACM what destroyed big ships so quickly. I didn't care about Motti LOL

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On 9/16/2017 at 4:32 PM, Ginkapo said:

archiveofossus.wordpress.com/2017/09/16/uk-nationals-satos-star-destroyers/

I took a six month – twelve month hiatus from MC30’s because I struggled to write any list without adding an MC30 to it. I enjoyed a lot of fun and success with MC30’s under Ackbar, and I could not see anyway to rival it. How can you beat rolling an 8 dice salvo for half the cost of an ISD? Well that was until Sato came out, and then maybe there was a way, but even then I had doubts, so I took a list to Store Champs in Stevenage, and ‘discovered’ Sato.

Sato is not about getting long range crits, or proc’ing obscure ion cannon effects with boosted numbers of blue dice, or any other janky combination. Nope. Sato is purely for the shear joy that only rolling obscene numbers of black dice can provide. Imperials have always had this crutch called ‘Demolisher’, however, it got nerfed and quite frankly is far inferior to the Sato Star Destroyer. Sure you may have a 4 black dice side arc, Rebels now have a 10 black dice side arc if they should wish. I call it balancing of the scales.

So without further ado, here is the list I took to UK Nationals after about three weeks of testing around with combinations to make it work.

1. Fred And George Weasley – The Beaters

Tasked with keeping the enemy ships/bludgers away from the team, there are none better than Fred and George for hitting the enemy back to kingdom come, and dont they just know it.

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2x MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points)
–  Ordnance Experts  ( 4  points)
–  Assault Concussion Missiles  ( 7  points)
= 74 total ship cost

Now most people are shouting, why are they not Scout Frigates!? Simply, because most ships have evades, so relying on long range crits is foolhardy. Sure it helps, but with or without Sato, you want to get your full dice salvo into action.

They are the closest ships to the battle, so no upgrade is unnecessary. Rerolls and a crit effect, thats it, nothing else is is needed. Admonition, Foresight, Lando and Walex whilst great, are simply points that will be lost if they die, and if the enemy want them to die they will, so lets not make them a bigger target than they already are.

Upgrades such as h9’s and X17’s are often taken with MC30s for good reason, however, when the plan is to roll 5 black dice followed by 4 black dice, defense tokens become somewhat irrelevant. Assault Concussion Missiles make redirects entirely redundant as the shields are battered either way, and why bother with h9s when you can just make the enemy discard their brace immediately.

Against small ships, anything up to an Arquitten, the enemy will crumple under the double arc, whether they use their defense tokens or not. Against large ships, they will be left crippled, but without any defense tokens at all, if only their was something to finish them off….

2. Oliver Wood – The Keeper

Understated, yet essential to the team, not letting anyone slip through the net, always applying just enough pressure to keep the goalposts clear. Plus Sato loves his big stick.

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[ flagship ] Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 points)
–  Commander Sato  ( 32  points)
–  Salvation  ( 7  points)
= 90 total ship cost

We needed a flagship, and what ship is better for sitting at the back of the fleet nice and safe, whilst still offering plenty to the team? Salvation of course! With command fire, Satovision can roll 3 black, 1 red dice for a max of 11 damage, or more likely somwhere around 6 dmg pretty reliably.

Again, you may be asking why no Spinals, Quad Battery Turrets or Dual Turbolasers? Well simply, points. They arent exceptional upgrades, and as I say, this ship is at the back of the fleet, so no reason to spend points for marginal gains.

3. Katie Bell, Angelina Johnson and Alicia Spinnet – The Chasers

Who are they? Sure the books didnt really cover these three, however, they were there in every game, just Lee Jordan didnt ellaborate on their presence in his commentary. The reliable trio provide consistent control thoughout the game. So much sass.

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GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
–  Toryn Farr  ( 7  points)
= 25 total ship cost

2x GR-75 Combat Retrofits (24 points)
–  Comms Net  ( 2  points)
= 26 total ship cost

Well we did need squad activations, however there is more to this than simply activations. Toryn Farr is essential for upgrading the flak, dice and counter dice in the squadron fight. Sato NEEDS his squads to outlast, yet, isnt particularly enthusiastic about the squads actually contributing to the fight themselves, they have better things to be doing after all.

Now as we have Toryn Farr….. we may as well have two Combat Retrofits. For 6pts we have upgraded from black to blue flak, or as I call it, auto damage with Toryn, and also gained some anti ship guns, which have many uses when given Sato upgrades.

4. Golden Snitch

This is all great on paper, but how are we going to get these black dice?

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1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)
2 HWK-290s ( 24 points)
1 A-Wing Squadron ( 11 points)

The obvious is Tycho, unable to be pinned down, and scary enough to his opponents that he sometimes forces them to make stupid moves just because of his presence at distance 5 of their ISD….

Alongside him are 2 hwks, aka mini tychos, and an Awing. Its a nice compact group that are exceptionally tricky to pin down, and also all have counter 2, counter Toryn 2. Every time they shoot they are going to do at least 1 damage, every time they are shot, they are going to do at least 1 counter damage. We have 5 ships with blue flak, which also are very likely to do 1 damage. It doesnt matter how many scatters the enemy brings, they are in for a world of pain if they choose to fight near your ships.

5. Quaffle

The eagle eyed may notice that there are still some points missing, and indeed that squad wing is looking a little light for Sato.

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2 VCX-100 Freighters ( 30 points)

Here is the key to making Sato work. Suddenly the yellow and blue objectives become highly attractive, which is fantastic, as Sato already loves a lot of the red objectives. They can spend whole games just knocking objectives tokens about racking up the points behind closed scenes, forcing the tempo of the game. Or they are eight glorious hull that take forever to go down.

This rounds us out to 396pts

And my chosen objectives:

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo
Defense Objective: Fire Lanes
Navigation Objective: Sensor Net

Starting at the bottom, Sensor Net is just an obscene way to rack up at least 30pts a turn if not more, whilst you wait for the enemy to attempt to break through.

Fire Lanes is similiar, grab the tokens turn 1 and keep them hidden behind your ships racking up 45pts a turn, again whilst you wait for the enemy to attempt to break through.

Opening Salvo is a little different, however it synergises with Sato unbelievably well. In this list there are 5 ships which get an additional 2 dice on their first shot, which makes the MC30s and the Neb obscene, whilst letting the Combat Retrofits bat well above their weight. The scoring system is also beneficial, if you cant kill their big ship, you will still walk away with half its points.

http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=132316

If you are wondering why there is no Harry Potter in this team, it is because, unlike Quidditch, Armada is not a pointless game where one team wins 150 points just for turning up. Sorry, I mean Konstantine and his grav **** Interdictors are serving a pitchside ban.

Deployment

As with a lot of lists, deployment is very important.

First up, Obstacles. Now unless there is a reason to do otherwise, I place the station close to my side to create some space to maneuver early in, followed up by two obstacles to block the enemy from easy access.

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First Deploy is a Comms Net at speed 2 facing at a slight angle. Followed up by three squadron deploys, which are nicely in the middle so can react turn 1 to be wherever they need to be. So after 4 deployments we have not commited to any area of the table at all

Fifth deployment is the second Comms Net at speed 2 on a similar angle. This ship should be on either side of the table with space between for Toryn. Make your choice depending upon the enemy.

Sixth is Toryn sitting in the middle. Now we have created a congo line of flotillas which can either continue on their original alignment to nicely go to the left of the obstacles, or they can hard turn in turn 1 to instead head for the right side of the obstacles. Most players like to keep their fleets together and so will have made a decision by this point whether to attack from the left of the obstacles or the right. This is a mistake and must be punished.

With this in mind, in Seventh, Sato drops into the fight at the “rear” of the congaline. Are you gong to hard turn or not? Put Salvation where it will end up bringing up the rear of the congaline, coming into the fight at the end of turn 3.

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Now with our two Beaters on deployments 8 and 9 we still have a lot of choice. Which is good, because it makes the fleet very hard to outdeploy.

If the enemy is concentrating their force on one side then the two MC30’s go together to run interception. It is important that the two MC30s are the only viable targets for the enemy, with their black dice you will force the enemy into bad positions as they swerve to avoid.

If the enemy is split, then the two MC30s can split with one protecting each flank.

Engagement

In the most part this is fairly straightforward. The MC30s are the last to activate until they have spotted their moment to pounce in which case they can unleash **** earlier, especially if you are first player. I played against a 5 activation dual Madine MC30 fleet, and despite their superior movement, they were permanently fustrated that they could not get any shots of as an MC30 was always blocking their preferred movement space with black dice threat. Conversely this did make it hard for me to get shots of too, however, I was quite happily farming fire lanes token so this didnt concern me.

Squads hang back either in line, or behind my ships. There is a Toryn kill zone created and the trick is to get the enemy to come into this area. Against bombers or sloane this is fairly easy to do, as after all they are crapping themselves that you might leave a VCX/Tycho in front of their ISD so they dont want to fight under their own flak. Gotta love Sato. Comms Net squad tokens turn 1 to the MC30s, and now you have no reason to charge squads in till the necessary moment, and with two range 5 squads you dont even need to be close. The enemy however, needs to get to your squads early which means they often end up in the Toryn kill zone getting plucked to death.

Nationals Performance

Round 1 – Dan’s Sloane Dual Victory, Dual Gozanti list. As First Player Most Wanted.

Turn 1 was uneventful, one MC30 moved near his external racks VSD I, and the flotillas prepped the killing ground with squads hiding a little. Fearing the effects of Sato and misjudging Toryn, my opponent sent in Sloane to clear up my squads. This worked in my favour as 3 flotillas and 1 MC30 killed everyone except Ciena, for the cost of my squads except a VCX. As usual Tycho was the highest priority target unsurprisingly. My MC30 took out his VSD 1 with a little help from Salvation before the VSD could fire. However, my other MC30 (most wanted) was having a tough time staying out of range of a DCaps VSD II and did die in the end sadly. Fortunately, my living MC30 killed both flotillas too to give me a 7-4 victory against what I would call a tough match up.

Round 2 – Johnny’s Sloane Demolisher, Glad and triple Goz list. As second player Sensor Net.

Over the moon to be facing Sloane again….

All the flotillas and squads deployed near the middle with Salvation heading in from my right. Two Glads on the far left with my mc30s shielding the rest of my fleet.

At the end of turn 1 I moved Tycho to be near my MC30s and within 5 of the two glads. I misjudged it a little as I had no VCXs in range for relay, as they were busy running sensor net, and so Johnny brought Mareek, Jendon and Ciena in hard on Tycho outside my Toryn bubble. Bouyed by this, the sloane squads started to go for the hwks too. And yet again, this ended up with a lot of dead sloane squads as the flak got to work, and the VCXs continuing to work on the tokens. Yup, two hwks and an awing took on the might of the empire largely alone except for flotillas. Who needs Raiders when you can have Toryn?

Demo came in for the MC30s at the end of turn 3, hurting the rear one badly but not killing it. Unfortunately, I had got my MC30s confused and set nav for the rear MC30 and repair for the lead MC30… and it cost me. My MC30 was still able to activate after Demo and did serious damage which would keep Demo from coming close to the fight again, but it was unable to heal as it limped away and Mareek finished the job.

Game ended 5-6 with the cost of Admo and Admo largely made up by sensor net tokens and dead squads.

Round 3 – Matts 5 activation Madine dual MC30s with Awings. As second player Fire Lanes.

Now Matt did have 2 VCX’s but even so I did warn him to think carefully about whether he wanted first player or not. He took first player and my fire lanes, figuring that Sato Opening Salvo or Sensor Net would be more horrific. Tough to say, which is really the point of the list, nobody likes my objectives.

I ferrited the fire lanes tokens away turn 1 with both MC30 on running line blocker against one of the two flanking Madine30’s. Amusingly Salvation and a VCX spent the the game over on the far left dragging a token about whilst dodging around the other Madine 30.

With the rest of the fight, without any other options to get to my ships, Matt sent in his Awings, and it was slaughter, with his squadron screen evaporated. His two VCX’s survived but Tycho spent the game taunting them so they couldnt do much about the token play.

Flotillas in the middle rammed each other to death rather than end up in MC30 arcs, I felt a lot of pain when my Toryn died.

Barely any dice were rolled, all but one token claimed by me. 9-2.

Round 4 – Laurence with a Libery, 4 GR75s a hammerhead and Awings. As Second Player Sensor Net.

Laurence again spent a long time thinking about which objective to take, correctly spotting that Combat Retrofits added to my opening salvo and fire lanes ability. Usual deployment with my MC30s and Salvation on the right facing down the Liberty, completely ignoring his flotillas which were going to run away.

A very tense few early rounds as the VCX’s got to work on the tokens and a few squadron trades but no big jump in with his Awings yet. As he didnt have gunnery teams I put all my ships into his front arc at long range and waited for him to close range. I popped a hammerhead after it dealt external racks and rams on one of my 30s, whilst his Awings went for the flanking Comms Net. The Libery then used the MC30 to avoid coming into close range yet, meaning I had to wait a turn, and although I took the Liberty down to 4 health I did not kill it. It took out the second MC30 whilst the squad war raged in its front arc. (Well its the easiest way to make sure a squadron remains at distance 1….)

Ended 4-7 with Sensor Net making up for the losses to some extent. Could have been a big win if I had managed to coordinate a little better. There were a few minor I could have made differently in hindsight.

Round 5 – Jacks Assault Frigate with 3 flotillas an MC30, 8Ywings, hwks and escorts.  First player with Minefields.

Yup, Minefields, that objective which someone with strategic can throw back at their opponent, which did happen.

This game was fairly straightforward with minefields restricting his movement options drastically. One of my MC30s wrecked his MC30 at the end of turn 2 before it was finished off by Tycho and a Combat flotilla, single black dice hurts… The other MC30 dropped a flotilla at the end of turn 3 before dropping into double arc of the Assault Frigate. My MC30 was out of tokens after Ywing pain, but alive. It dropped the assault frigate to one health, thanks to 9 black dice with ACM’s, and ran off. Unfortunately the Ywings still got to it, but the job was done and he was tabled by Salvation and rams by the end of the turn.

9-2.

Nationals Summary

Throughout the day every game was different, first player, second player, different objectives, yet in every one my fleet put up a really strong fight and was able to capitalise strongly in few of the games. The only change I would make right now is to add Bright Hope onto Toryns Ship. Toryn is just too valuable.

I didnt actually use Sato for the first three games as the threat of Sato had forced my opponent into bad choices and instead my squads were busy either running defense or running tokens. Its worth noting that strategic missions mean that the two VCX’s are busy outside of the game, so you are effectively playing 30pts down in the main fight.

This will never work. You dont have a seeker! No seeker means no win. Quidditch is pretty heavily weighted towards snagging that snitch.

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1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

This will never work. You dont have a seeker! No seeker means no win. Quidditch is pretty heavily weighted towards snagging that snitch.

Which reminds me - can only the seeker catch the snitch? What happens if a Keeper does?

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21 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

This will never work. You dont have a seeker! No seeker means no win. Quidditch is pretty heavily weighted towards snagging that snitch.

Mad. You are the seeker. 

I am somewhat surprised that there is no real critisicm of the article at all. Surely someone has played him enough to have an opinion!

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18 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Mad. You are the seeker. 

I am somewhat surprised that there is no real critisicm of the article at all. Surely someone has played him enough to have an opinion!

It's a good article. Offering a lot of good ideas/considerations. I haven't spotted any flaws that need commenting.

With good flying this list can - as opposed to many other Sato list's I've seen - do well, even in major tournaments.

It has many moving parts and interactions though, so I don't consider it an easy list to fly. I also consider it susceptible to squad-heavy builds, but that's common for most non-squad heavy lists. And as you proved when we played, it has surprisingly good ability to keep squadrons busy, even kill them.

Did your experience at UK Nationals reinforce your list-building theories? Were you satisfied with the list's performance? Are there ways to evolve this list for future use?

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