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Star Wars feel: The No No list

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36 minutes ago, Maelora said:

Well said.

(I still look at that avatar and expect Desslok, though! :) )

 

Sadly, the limited selection of "canned" avatars doesn't leave me much room for expression and results in inevitable overlap.

I get why FFG shies away from letting people upload their own avatars, but I confess it inspires consternation.

I attached the pic of my own F&D character, which is what I would use if FFG would let us customize! 

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5 hours ago, Mindless Philosopher said:

Re: the original topic:  As others have noted, the seedier elements of life get some pretty frequent screen time, so I feel that a completely sanitized vision of the SW galaxy is disingenuous.  Please note that I am not saying that the RPG should be X-rated or anything, but I see nothing wrong with kicking it up to PG-13, especially since real character development (something a RPG seems more likely to handle than the original films do) is likely going to involve touching upon a host of issues, some morally grey stuff, and maybe sexuality.

I am also morally obligated to note that I see some language being aired, and some false conclusions being reached regarding non hetero-normal sexuality that, as a gay man, make me profoundly uncomfortable.  I realize that I might be walking into a wall of poodoo, but there it is.

I hope that anything I said did not strike you this way, as it wasn't my intention or purpose. I think I did say several times that homosexuality to me is completely welcome in my games and life. The whole thing with the Hutt has nothing to do with trying to set any kind of mores, but is entirely for a function of the characterization of a character in Star Wars without implication or connection to real social issues. I just want to have fun in the Galaxy far far away, I don't want to have it be allegory or commentary. If I said anything that offended you though MP I am truly sorry. 

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3 hours ago, Mindless Philosopher said:

Oh, no, no, no, no, it's nothing at all Ferret has said or done.  He seems like a great guy!

  I will come back to this issue maybe later today, but for now, I just see the word "deviant" being thrown around a lot in this thread and seemingly defined as 'anything that is not strictly heteronormative, ideally for purposes of reproduction.'  I just wanted to make sure that the posters involved were not intimating that 'standard' homosexuality be included under that designation.

Interestingly enough, regarding inter-species stuff: I get the feeling that, in universe, it's implied that as long as they're both sentient and consenting adults (a most definite NO in the second caveat in Jabba's nasty proclivities, it should be stressed), it's okay.  We've seen two human/Twi'lek pairings in the shows, and that (really nicely-dressed) girl in TFA who was flirting with that Aqualish-looking guy in Maz's castle.

I'm the one who used the term "Deviant", and while I won't get into my personal or religious views on homosexuality, the term was used specifically referring to things such as Beastiality, Pedophilia, Sadomasochism, Fetishes, and the like, that are absolutely not acceptable to the general public. Jabba's (a Hutt) sexual predilections for humanoid females is equivalent to besitality, since humanoids aren't even a remotely related species. That is an actual deviancy. 

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3 hours ago, Mindless Philosopher said:

Oh, no, no, no, no, it's nothing at all Ferret has said or done.  He seems like a great guy!

  I will come back to this issue maybe later today, but for now, I just see the word "deviant" being thrown around a lot in this thread and seemingly defined as 'anything that is not strictly heteronormative, ideally for purposes of reproduction.'  I just wanted to make sure that the posters involved were not intimating that 'standard' homosexuality be included under that designation.

Interestingly enough, regarding inter-species stuff: I get the feeling that, in universe, it's implied that as long as they're both sentient and consenting adults (a most definite NO in the second caveat in Jabba's nasty proclivities, it should be stressed), it's okay.  We've seen two human/Twi'lek pairings in the shows, and that (really nicely-dressed) girl in TFA who was flirting with that Aqualish-looking guy in Maz's castle.

While I am not the one that used that term, since my name was mentioned, I thought I'd chime in.   While I understand how the term "deviant" can be considered derogatory/insulting when directed at yourself, I do try and play devil's advocate on that specific word, at least sometimes.   I personally think that when discussions come up, and that word is used, I think most people are simply using it in the clinical meaning of the word.  Deviant, meaning to deviate from the "norm," in this case norm simply refers to "the average result on the spectrum, the most common result"   In 100 examples of something, if 75 times X happens, then any result on those other 25 is "deviant".   It's not meant to be a declaration of morality in this context (though plenty of people have co-opted the word for that very reason.)   It could be referring to a person's choice of ice cream flavor, and the term "deviant" would still technically apply.   And while I'm sure plenty of people DO use deviant to imply "sinful" behavior or whatever, I think in this thread it's mostly just referring to the technical/scientific term for "results that aren't the most likely result"   
 

Now of course, what someone considers "normal" can vary widely based on personal opinion, but the main hitch me and Archlyte were having, that I think was the crux of the "deviant' discussion.  And while I don't want to rekindle that, as I think he and I came to an understanding, the thing we were dancing around was the concept of "getting horny for something not of your species."   My point was that given how humans (and several other animals on this planet), have been documented as getting horny for things that are not of their species, there is precedent, from multiple species, for this idea.  The idea that Jabba could be aroused by the bi-pedal girls in his barge.   My point was "given how many humans get aroused by the weird aliens in Star Wars alone" (just do a google search with safe search off if you want evidence :P )  "that it's a pretty -normal- type of sexuality."   It's still deviant from the norm (though average, or median might be a better term), meaning the orientation the majority of people/aliens participate in.  

Anyway, again, not trying to respark that, but I think that's where he was coming from, in general.   Sadly, that's one of the problems of multiple definitions of words, and how they change over time.   Like patronize, which used to mean someone who supported another's artwork with funding, and somehow morphed into speaking insultingly to a person, or "talking down" to them.   Which is interesting, given the resurgence of patronage through Patreon.  I'm curious to see if that usage will subside a bit, and it will reclaim it's original usage in common tongue.  

***Edit***

And then I noticed what Tramp said, so yeah, ignore most of my comment then.  I stand by the concept I was conveying, but it was directed at the wrong person.

Edited by KungFuFerret

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The real world is screwing up my thread again. There is no equivalence between real love in the real world, and Jabba the Hutt wanting to **** his dancers. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Mindless Philosopher said:

Re: the original topic:  As others have noted, the seedier elements of life get some pretty frequent screen time, so I feel that a completely sanitized vision of the SW galaxy is disingenuous.  Please note that I am not saying that the RPG should be X-rated or anything, but I see nothing wrong with kicking it up to PG-13, especially since real character development (something a RPG seems more likely to handle than the original films do) is likely going to involve touching upon a host of issues, some morally grey stuff, and maybe sexuality.

I am also morally obligated to note that I see some language being aired, and some false conclusions being reached regarding non hetero-normal sexuality that, as a gay man, make me profoundly uncomfortable.  I realize that I might be walking into a wall of poodoo, but there it is.

I think that in the inclusion of these "seedier" elements it's a matter of editing to tone and feel. RPG's tend to touch on this stuff because people are often ad-libbing so they are pulling in their first draft thoughts from whatever they happened to have in the front position in memory. RPGs also have player agency so the GM is not usually likely to interfere with content entering the game for fear of being overbearing or interrupting the flow. Because RPGs are like that does not mean that it's good that they are like that, especially if you are looking for something a bit more on point as far as trying to capture the feel of the movies. If you let it go that way, a role-playing game will quickly devolve into something that more resembles the Texas Chainsaw Massacre or a sexually-themed comedy. 

 

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1 hour ago, Archlyte said:

The real world is screwing up my thread again. There is no equivalence between real love in the real world, and Jabba the Hutt wanting to **** his dancers. 

 

 

Of course there is, as has been explained thoroughly.  It's also appropriate for the story being told.

This is entirely about your hang-ups.

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20 hours ago, Absol197 said:

Vondy and Desslok are clearly the Light/Dark side aspects of the same penguin.  Vondy is formal and structured, very orderly and clearly the Light Side, while Desslok is much more random and chaotic, truly an expression of the Dark!*  But both are smart, fun, and nice :) .

 

*This is using my "Light Side = Law, Dark Side = Chaos" theory of the Force, not the more common Good/Evil view. 

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"Rarh."

 

20 hours ago, Vondy said:

Sadly, the limited selection of "canned" avatars doesn't leave me much room for expression and results in inevitable overlap.

No kidding. There's someone wandering around here, someone who only posts very intermittently, with Whafrog's avatar. He screws me up every time he posts and  my brain thinks he's someone else.

Edited by Desslok

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3 minutes ago, Absol197 said:

Apparently you've never heard of Oswald Cobblepot...

Having just read Tor.com's nostalgia review of Batman Returns last week, I actually do know who that is!

I'm not really a superhero guy, but I do like Tim Burton movies, so I kinda wanna see his Batman films.

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