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During the design panel at GenCon, the Team was asked what their dream card would be, and Nate French said he wanted "a card that killed everything". I know FFG staff don't really read these forums, but I can't find his email, so I thought I'd present for everyone's edification this card from AEG's iteration of the game:

http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/#cardid=8061,#hashid=e656018335c80f7358e8255a023f3d1b,#cardcount=0

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Its funny - because character removal is cool, but board wipes happen often enough that it could just be a 7 fate card and it would probably be balanced lol.  4 fate if it happened during the FATE phase, only 2 fate if it required shugenja.

btw - that card you linked... omg that is a horrible card.  If you could afford 15 gold, and had 5 Shugenja each of a different element... the board wipe would hurt you far more than it would hurt them lol.

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Going out on a limb, he'd want a board wipe because in basically every card game the existence of a board wipe creates interesting tactical tension (if you're ahead on board position do you stay put or press the advantage and risk the boar wipe). But it's only a dream card for him instead of actually being a card because the game mechanics make a board wipe less useful. That said, at the right cost a board wipe could still work. Take out more fate in characters than you spend on the wipe and it's effectively a resource advantage. 

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I give it a pass in AGoT because it's hard to imagine what other effect a card named Valar Morghulis ("All Men Must Die") might have,  but I'm trying to think what a boardwipe would even mean in L5R, precedent aside. Is blowing up the world something shugenja are really about? 

Edited by Ide Yoshiya

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54 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

I give it a pass in AGoT because it's hard to imagine what other effect a card named Valar Morghulis ("All Men Must Die") might have,  but I'm trying to think what a boardwipe would even mean in L5R, precedent aside. Is blowing up the world something shugenja are really about? 

What if it was "Emperor's Peace" instead: Hantei the whateverth declares that your clan's rivalries do not have sanction any more and everyone has to go home.

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5 hours ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

I give it a pass in AGoT because it's hard to imagine what other effect a card named Valar Morghulis ("All Men Must Die") might have,  but I'm trying to think what a boardwipe would even mean in L5R, precedent aside. Is blowing up the world something shugenja are really about? 

Check flavour text on first printing of this card:

http://imperialassembly.com/oracle/showimage?prefix=printing&cardid=8061&nestid=2&class=details&tagid=34&hash=c4/03,427,600,image/jpeg

And then read something about this nasty Kinuye:

http://l5r.wikia.com/wiki/Asako_Kinuye

 

 

 

Edited by kempy

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5 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

What if it was "Emperor's Peace" instead: Hantei the whateverth declares that your clan's rivalries do not have sanction any more and everyone has to go home.

That would be great flavoring! Sometimes I forget that discard does not always represent death in this version of L5R.

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Having listened to the panel before, I did not take that comment as a statement that Erik wants a board wipe in L5R but rather that statement is an example of what top-down card design is. They were going over the difference between bottom-up card design and top-down card design, and the example given for top-down design was starting the design with a statement of what you want, such as "I want a card that kills everything" and then going from there.

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43 minutes ago, theninthguardian said:

Wow, these forums.

No one disagrees the card is terrible. Hilariously so, and I remember it fondly for that. Mr. French's comment was said mostly in jest, I believe, and the implication seemed to be a humorous nod to his facetious bloodthirstiness as the lead designer.

In Rokugan, what is not said is often far more important than what is.

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10 hours ago, theninthguardian said:

Wow, these forums.

No one disagrees the card is terrible. Hilariously so, and I remember it fondly for that. Mr. French's comment was said mostly in jest, I believe, and the implication seemed to be a humorous nod to his facetious bloodthirstiness as the lead designer.

Yet there was still some enlightenment out of the discussion, so it was worthwhile having.

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