[MAFIA] Sands of the New Republic - DAY 1

[Ginkapo 9,320]

Pod. What is YOUR case against CNinj?

Not MY case. YOUR case. 

Dont think I didnt notice you distract from yourself by raising MY suspicions of CNinj. 

[Ginkapo 9,320]

Did anyone other than JJ find those fish jokes funny? Ok I've a different sense of humour, but really funny?

CNinj. Stop with sarcasm. Clear and concise please. 

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

9 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

subtle

Lol.

9 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Only some knew wtf I was pointing to.  It probably would have gone totally unnoticed...

This is so stupid that must be just ingenuous.

## unvote CNinja

9 hours ago, Onidsen said:

@ovinomanc3r, I'd rather not quote GM PMs, if that's alright with you. I think it's against the spirit of the game, frankly.

I thought not to full quote. Just some kind of confirmation pass like "third word of the second line". But it seemed unfair. Just embraced the dark side for an instant. It's over.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

53 minutes ago, Green Knight said:

According to the oracle @Drasnighta an Armada article is still weeks away from becoming a reality.

@Drasnighta

Is this some kind of role claim?

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

8 hours ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular, your thoughts?

I am currently confused by the faith people are putting in the breadcrumbs. Some of you (I believe Truthi was one) said that at some point it just became too obvious, and that anybody could pick up on them. Who's to say the scum didn't pick up on them sooner than expected? Furthermore, Madaghmire made a good point - it's unlikely that everybody would have marine-based flavor or roles. So why do people suspect those who ignored the breadcrumbing (e.g. Broba)?

Furthermore, I agree with Broba and Norell that breadcrumbing and then making it obvious as Mad and ovi did, helps the scum more than the town. So again, why the emphasis on breadcrumbing? You assume that if somebody didn't breadcrumb, they didn't notice it, and if somebody speaks out against it, he may be scum (the you here is general). I disagree with that. And the main supporters now of this line of inquiry are ovinomanc3r and CNinja. Of those two, CNinja was one of the last to the party. He makes some good points on Broba's ability to pass off himself as town (everything he's said so far could easily have been written by scum) while he joined the breadcrumbing after it had passed the point of being subtle.

That leaves me in a conundrum. CNinja claims subtlety when I don't believe there was any, as supported by Mad, Truthi, and ovi's reactions to the mass crumbs, but also makes a good point about Broba. On the other hand, everything Broba has said so far has good points, and while it's true that everything he said could have come from a scum as good at being town as he, it could also have come from a townie. I am inclined to believe him town for now.

Of the others: 

Gink seems insistent on throwing shade on CNinja (though he also voted Mad), and while I cannot quite grasp the reason, as I point out above, it is warranted. He also put shade on Mad, and I cannot see the reason there. I have no decent read on him.

Madaghmire seems to be suspicious of the bread crumbing, and since then hasn't added much of consequence, being otherwise preoccupied. I have no decent read on him.

ovinomanc3r picked up on the breadcrumbing first, it seems, though that in no way assures his alignment. He could also have been doing his classic meme posting, and only claiming it was a breadcrumb now, when it's all public. He is also odd in his votes - not voting CNinja because he disagrees with CNinja's claim of subtlety is odd. However, I have no decent read on him yet.

Drasnighta I have no reads on, other than he thinks he must be drunk to play the game. He so far has posted nothing but that, I think. If he posted something else, I must have missed it.

Norell makes some good points about the benefits breadcrumbing has for scum, as I've mentioned above. Other than that, his content is minimal, and I have no decent read on him. His points, much like Broba's, could easily have been made by scum, but more easily been made by a townie.

Caldias seems to have literally posted the 'Hi, I'm here' post that CNinja accused Broba of posting. Other than that, he mentioned some RL stuff that somewhat explained his absence. (@Caldias - how'd it go, BTW?). He is doing what I believe is considered the classing submarining, is he not? Posting to appear to be present, but posting nothing of consequence, if even relevance.

PodRacer is being his classic day 1 self. I see no reason why people would be suspicious of him due to his early quietness. It always takes a while for him to start. As such, I have no decent read on him.

JJs Juggernaut is also sparsely present. His content is glazed in a coating of usefulness, but really doesn't actually have much (granted, I found very little of him, especially later on, so I could have missed something). This could either be a townie who hasn't much to add, or a scum trying to appear to be present, much like Caldias.

Onidsen also has a lack of useful content, as far as I've seen. He points to the Mad-Gink issue and writes it off as town, whereas everybody generally takes it for granted that a classic scum move (when the scum are experienced) is to put distance between themselves. He then votes Pod due to his absence, see above.

Truthiness started the breadcrumbing, and has since regretted it. As he was the first to breadcrumb, I am inclined to think him town for now, though of course a good scum could also be the first to breadcrumb. His content since then has largely been related to Crumbgate, and has been against the hypothesis that those who speak out against it are scum. He also posted concerning the Gink-Mad off, and took the side of Mad against Gink. As I do not see what Gink was aiming at with Pod, I think Truthi here was merely acting like a townie (or really anybody) pointing out a bad argument. I have no decent read on him (it's D1, after all), but am inclined to treat him as town for now.

TheToad picked up on the maritime trend earlyish, and since then hasn;t said much of relevance. A bunch of posts about RL fishing, which makes it appear as if he's here, but doesn't say much, and questions Gink. Again, the last bit is, I believe, somewhat warranted, though I have seldom seen Gink's line of reasoning anyway. I have no decent read on him.

The above is my thoughts after 1 read through. I likely missed some stuff, and if you have any issues to point out, please do so so that I might amend my reads to better reflect reality. The majority of players I have no real read on, Truthi I'm considering town for now, and the CNinja-Broba thing has my attention, and though I am unsure about either, I am leaning more towards voting for CNinja of the two, were it to come down to that.

 

Also, as a closer - I believe the word you were looking for is 'snappiness'.  

2 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Did anyone other than JJ find those fish jokes funny? Ok I've a different sense of humour, but really funny?

Mildly amusing. Funny may be hyperbole.

[PodRacer 1,077]

3 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Pod. What is YOUR case against CNinj?

Not MY case. YOUR case. 

Dont think I didnt notice you distract from yourself by raising MY suspicions of CNinj. 

My case against ninja? Halfway through D1? Apart from an odd turn of phase here or there he's been pretty straightforward so far.  Imo. I like his vote too.

Negatives? Hmmm he shoots fish maybe?

call me naive? @Ginkapo

[PodRacer 1,077]

Count please @Visovics

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

18 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

He is also odd in his votes - not voting CNinja because he disagrees with CNinja's claim of subtlety is odd. However, I have no decent read on him yet.

I agree it is not the most solid base to unvote but I can explain my reasoning easily I think:

To think that his claim could be subtle point to the fact that he didn't bother to google it and because that he didn't notice how obvious it was. So what he claim "subtlety" is, probably, inside of his PM.

That is why I unvote him.

[Truthiness 5,696]

Gink doesn't look far off from his usual behavior. Ninja's behavior has my attention. However, I don't want to just go after people just for being active. We have a bit of a habit of doing that. We've got a whole slue of folks who've said little or nothing. I'd like to see some useful content from them.

[PodRacer 1,077]

@Caldias

you didn't think I'd forget about you huh..?!

what are you hiding this time round?

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

@ovinomanc3rI'm beginning to wonder about you. If you don't know what I've meant, then maybe you aren't what I thought you were. 

 

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

@ovinomanc3rI'm beginning to wonder about you. If you don't know what I've meant, then maybe you aren't what I thought you were. 

 

Maybe I am not. Unless it was town. Then yes I am.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

4 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Did anyone other than JJ find those fish jokes funny? Ok I've a different sense of humour, but really funny?

CNinj. Stop with sarcasm. Clear and concise please. 

Clear and concise: What is YOUR case against me?

 

[Ginkapo 9,320]

13 hours ago, PodRacer said:

@TheToad

i was just literally typing I think Gink has a read on Ninja but doesnt wanna get his head ripped off...

ninjad by ovi tho

 

 

CNinj. My case against you is very simple. You breadcrumbed after two people already had. There was no need. As D1 cases go its reasonable. As I stated, you are D1 scum to me. From D2 it will need reevaluating as thats a terrible case.

However, its the same case I have against Pod. So why when he was starting to get heat for being AWOL did he deflect onto you, using my name?

Deflecting was very much what it was. Why? 

 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

For all of you that are witnessing the "breadcrumbing" but don't understand it:

Fish/fishiness is NOT what I've been laying out as "subtle". There are other things I've hoped that others would grasp.

What I meant by that, is that if someone posts something that you think is a breadcrumb, why would you post about that person repeatedly?  As a townie it makes no sense. 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

@Ginkaposo then TheToad is even higher on your suspect list then?

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

3 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

 

CNinj. My case against you is very simple. You breadcrumbed after two people already had. There was no need. As D1 cases go its reasonable. As I stated, you are D1 scum to me. From D2 it will need reevaluating as thats a terrible case.

However, its the same case I have against Pod. So why when he was starting to get heat for being AWOL did he deflect onto you, using my name?

Deflecting was very much what it was. Why? 

 

I thought the same about Pod but I was falling asleep. But I remember asking myself how me, who spend around 5' to write a 5 lines post, could ninjad a 3 lines post from the guy who post 5 times in 1' and do it 2' before. It seemed to me that he was using me as excuse too.

However I am not sure how much seriously I should take that spark of conciousnes. 

[PodRacer 1,077]

I was honestly about to try and explain to the toad, but in a huge roundabout kind of way. Your post ovi said everything I was trying too and more, so I deleted the vague rambling wall of text I was writing, and put up a shorter more concise version.

[Ginkapo 9,320]

14 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

@Ginkaposo then TheToad is even higher on your suspect list then?

Precisely. He actively objects to my logic whilst not acknowledging that he is one of the worst for it. 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

8 hours ago, Caldias said:

Hey guys, I'm here.

You sly devil you. 

[Madaghmire 7,274]

Pretty active d1. On morning commute now. Sorry drafts went long last night and then there was just too much for me to get through and also compose anything of value. 

I'm still not promising value but I'm trying to catch up now.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

2 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I am currently confused by the faith people are putting in the breadcrumbs. Some of you (I believe Truthi was one) said that at some point it just became too obvious, and that anybody could pick up on them. Who's to say the scum didn't pick up on them sooner than expected? Furthermore, Madaghmire made a good point - it's unlikely that everybody would have marine-based flavor or roles. So why do people suspect those who ignored the breadcrumbing (e.g. Broba)?

Furthermore, I agree with Broba and Norell that breadcrumbing and then making it obvious as Mad and ovi did, helps the scum more than the town. So again, why the emphasis on breadcrumbing? You assume that if somebody didn't breadcrumb, they didn't notice it, and if somebody speaks out against it, he may be scum (the you here is general). I disagree with that. And the main supporters now of this line of inquiry are ovinomanc3r and CNinja. Of those two, CNinja was one of the last to the party. He makes some good points on Broba's ability to pass off himself as town (everything he's said so far could easily have been written by scum) while he joined the breadcrumbing after it had passed the point of being subtle.

That leaves me in a conundrum. CNinja claims subtlety when I don't believe there was any, as supported by Mad, Truthi, and ovi's reactions to the mass crumbs, but also makes a good point about Broba. On the other hand, everything Broba has said so far has good points, and while it's true that everything he said could have come from a scum as good at being town as he, it could also have come from a townie. I am inclined to believe him town for now.

Of the others: 

Gink seems insistent on throwing shade on CNinja (though he also voted Mad), and while I cannot quite grasp the reason, as I point out above, it is warranted. He also put shade on Mad, and I cannot see the reason there. I have no decent read on him.

Madaghmire seems to be suspicious of the bread crumbing, and since then hasn't added much of consequence, being otherwise preoccupied. I have no decent read on him.

ovinomanc3r picked up on the breadcrumbing first, it seems, though that in no way assures his alignment. He could also have been doing his classic meme posting, and only claiming it was a breadcrumb now, when it's all public. He is also odd in his votes - not voting CNinja because he disagrees with CNinja's claim of subtlety is odd. However, I have no decent read on him yet.

Drasnighta I have no reads on, other than he thinks he must be drunk to play the game. He so far has posted nothing but that, I think. If he posted something else, I must have missed it.

Norell makes some good points about the benefits breadcrumbing has for scum, as I've mentioned above. Other than that, his content is minimal, and I have no decent read on him. His points, much like Broba's, could easily have been made by scum, but more easily been made by a townie.

Caldias seems to have literally posted the 'Hi, I'm here' post that CNinja accused Broba of posting. Other than that, he mentioned some RL stuff that somewhat explained his absence. (@Caldias - how'd it go, BTW?). He is doing what I believe is considered the classing submarining, is he not? Posting to appear to be present, but posting nothing of consequence, if even relevance.

PodRacer is being his classic day 1 self. I see no reason why people would be suspicious of him due to his early quietness. It always takes a while for him to start. As such, I have no decent read on him.

JJs Juggernaut is also sparsely present. His content is glazed in a coating of usefulness, but really doesn't actually have much (granted, I found very little of him, especially later on, so I could have missed something). This could either be a townie who hasn't much to add, or a scum trying to appear to be present, much like Caldias.

Onidsen also has a lack of useful content, as far as I've seen. He points to the Mad-Gink issue and writes it off as town, whereas everybody generally takes it for granted that a classic scum move (when the scum are experienced) is to put distance between themselves. He then votes Pod due to his absence, see above.

Truthiness started the breadcrumbing, and has since regretted it. As he was the first to breadcrumb, I am inclined to think him town for now, though of course a good scum could also be the first to breadcrumb. His content since then has largely been related to Crumbgate, and has been against the hypothesis that those who speak out against it are scum. He also posted concerning the Gink-Mad off, and took the side of Mad against Gink. As I do not see what Gink was aiming at with Pod, I think Truthi here was merely acting like a townie (or really anybody) pointing out a bad argument. I have no decent read on him (it's D1, after all), but am inclined to treat him as town for now.

TheToad picked up on the maritime trend earlyish, and since then hasn;t said much of relevance. A bunch of posts about RL fishing, which makes it appear as if he's here, but doesn't say much, and questions Gink. Again, the last bit is, I believe, somewhat warranted, though I have seldom seen Gink's line of reasoning anyway. I have no decent read on him.

The above is my thoughts after 1 read through. I likely missed some stuff, and if you have any issues to point out, please do so so that I might amend my reads to better reflect reality. The majority of players I have no real read on, Truthi I'm considering town for now, and the CNinja-Broba thing has my attention, and though I am unsure about either, I am leaning more towards voting for CNinja of the two, were it to come down to that.

 

Also, as a closer - I believe the word you were looking for is 'snappiness'.  

Mildly amusing. Funny may be hyperbole.

I'm liking this post as the scummy wall of text.

"I've got no real reads" but here is a huge post.  And yes Truthi, it is going after someone who is "active" but not really.  GNiPs hasn't been all that active and then we get this huge Day 1 list.

I'm seeing a possible GNiPs scum move to get either me or Broba, or to shield Broba.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

2 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I'm liking this post as the scummy wall of text.

"I've got no real reads" but here is a huge post.  And yes Truthi, it is going after someone who is "active" but not really.  GNiPs hasn't been all that active and then we get this huge Day 1 list.

I'm seeing a possible GNiPs scum move to get either me or Broba, or to shield Broba.

Gink would say that list are scummy things. 

Also, if we lynch Ghost and he flipped scum there is something where start from. If not, we just lost no real reads.

[Norell 1,198]

Really? It seems pretty convincing to me. You @CaribbeanNinja on the other hand start to accuse yet another person. Nervous for being the main targett of attention..?

[TheToad 321]

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

Precisely. He actively objects to my logic whilst not acknowledging that he is one of the worst for it. 

What do you mean by this, all I did was point out a possible error in your line of thinking (assuming all of the scum mass breadcrumbed) 

I'm sorry I gave my two cents on the situation... you've apparently got it all figured out