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On 9/2/2017 at 6:40 AM, BordOne said:

He's immediately bowed and sent home because he cannot participate. If the text said: "cannot be declared as attacker/defender" on the other hand he would stay in the conflict but as written he should be treated as character with dash in military.

I am going to necro this thread because I have a question to add to it.

Does the conflict still go through if the character with Pacifism attached was the only attacking character?  There are no characters on the attacking player's side of the board AND "3.2.1 Declare defenders" part of the Conflict phase has not yet begun. Do the steps of the conflict still happen? I think the answer is yes, since Ted did not pass his conflict opportunity during "3.2 Declare conflict".

Revealing the province happens during 3.2 Declare Conflict, after the Declaration of Conflict.

Recall that the Declaration of Conflict includes two things happening simultaneously: type of element and type of conflict (military/political) are declared and ready characters being committed to the conflict as attacking characters are declared.

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...Each of the above items are considered to be performed simultaneously. If any of the above cannot be completed, the conflict cannot be initiated.

 

Now, there is paragraph about the province following the conflict declaration...

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If the province being attacked is facedown, turn it faceup as soon as a conflict is successfully declared against it. This occurs before any reactions to the process of conflict declaration may be triggered.

 

So, the province gets flipped over immediately after a successful initiated conflict vs. the province. Then, the province's reaction may be triggered.

The next paragraph says:

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Once a conflict has been declared, resolve that conflict before the next conflict is declared.

 

Since the declaration of the conflict was successful, the conflict must be resolved prior to the next conflict being declared.

As far as I can tell, at this point, the rest of the conflict resolution happens as normal. Declaring defenders is step 3.2.1.

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Yes, the conflict still happens, since it was declared.  Most likely, nothing happens as there are not characters, and at 0 to 0, the ring goes back to unclaimed after the conflict ends.  You just need an unbowed character who can participate to declare the attack, not to resolve it.

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If a character was declared as an attacker, but then immediately bowed or removed from the conflict, would it still be successfully declared?  Is it a requirement to just 'declare', or do they need to be present through the initiation of the conflict?

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1 minute ago, LuceLineGames said:

If a character was declared as an attacker, but then immediately bowed or removed from the conflict, would it still be successfully declared?  Is it a requirement to just 'declare', or do they need to be present through the initiation of the conflict?

Just declare. Conflict still continues even if the attacker is removed, for whatever reason. It's a successful declaration. Since both Endless Plains and Rally to the cause would trigger AFTER attack declaration.

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5 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

Just declare. Conflict still continues even if the attacker is removed, for whatever reason. It's a successful declaration. Since both Endless Plains and Rally to the cause would trigger AFTER attack declaration.

To clarify, Province is revealed after you finish declaring the attack. Thus why this works.

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Just now, Mirith said:

To clarify, Province is revealed after you finish declaring the attack. Thus why this works.

Yup! Or to just quote the RR itself.

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If the province being attacked is facedown, turn it faceup as soon as a conflict is successfully declared against it. This occurs before any reactions to the process of conflict declaration may be triggered.

 

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