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Galactic Empires - Racial Stance

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2 hours ago, Kappa Smith said:

............................, untrustworthy of droids and look down on gender eqaulity, this we know of due to evidence in the films. ...................  

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I'm sorry for dumb question, but where exactly in the films we can see evidence to support these two points?

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3 hours ago, Kappa Smith said:

You can disregard all the legend content in my original post. However the empire are still racist, untrustworthy of droids and look down on gender eqaulity, this we know of due to evidence in the films. However for all you keyboard warriors this is all in open contradiction with star wars rebels where I am sure there are a few woman high up in the Galactic Empire and no doubt aliens and droids are treated with more respect and trust simply due to star wars rebels being void of real world issues; as its aimed at a childrens audience. So in this special case I personally choose the scummy Empire I knew and loved in my childhood over anything else, this does not make me wrong and if you choose to disagree you aren't wrong either. Though I do have my personal grievance with this unorthodox way of doing things.  

Don't make the mistake of thinking the animated series are aimed solely at children. They are far, far more nuanced that that. 

Just ask Dave Filoni. 

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1 hour ago, kurttkrueger said:

Don't make the mistake of thinking the animated series are aimed solely at children. They are far, far more nuanced that that. 

Just ask Dave Filoni. 

Animation is an interesting medium.   Through decades of having animated programing aimed and younger audiences North America (where my experience is first hand, but maybe other areas as well) sees animated shows as being for children.   Whereas other places of the world, Japan for instance, see it as just another medium to tell a story.   

Similar to comic books being looked on with derision and childish, yet there are many great stories told in this format not aimed at children.   

Another example is painting versus sculpture both are a form of expression, but different ways of doing so.   

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On ‎03‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 2:16 PM, Bohun242 said:

I'm sorry for dumb question, but where exactly in the films we can see evidence to support these two points?

You're not being dumb, he clearly doesn't understand the word untrustworthy, because it doesn't mean what he's trying to say with it.

Also, there mouse droids on the Death Star for a start.

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1 hour ago, Deadfool said:

 

Also, there mouse droids on the Death Star for a start.

There are a variety of protocol and astromechs scooting about in the back ground. The only one hating on droids in part 4 was wuher and the jawas, to everyone else they were mostly invisible. 

Also as far as racism goes, they had no issues with Garindan during his snitching and the one time we really see it is the prison block guy hating on Chewie.

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2 hours ago, Extropia said:

There plenty of anti-alien bias in the canon books, but that doesn't mean they don't make use of them. It just means they don't like them, and often discriminate or treat them poorly.

 

I can go with anti-alien bias. I believe it was not intended feature invented later to rationalize why there are no aliens on star destroyers, but I'm fine with that.

Still, I can't find any anti female bias or anti droid bias in the OT. And I don't understand where that comes from.

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The only instance I can think of in the OT of anyone showing true Anti Droid bias is Wuher in the Cantina. Since the Clone Wars I've assumed the galaxy has a love/hate relationship with Droids. But nothing conclusive is shown by the Empire to be totally Anti Droid. They just don't care about a Droids rights as they are seen as equipment.

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15 minutes ago, Extropia said:

Agreed. And even if there was, the female thing especially is entirely gone in e new canon.

No, it isn't. Not entirely. Sloanne is put on an Outer Rim posting despite her good record in part because of her gender - at least that is what she feels. It is just that women aren't regarded as entirely worthless. They have to work harder, but some of them do manage to get into positions of power. The first order then abolishes any gender bias because they just can't afford to waste competent workforce having so few humans to work with when compared to the galactic empire.

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13 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

No, it isn't. Not entirely. Sloanne is put on an Outer Rim posting despite her good record in part because of her gender - at least that is what she feels. It is just that women aren't regarded as entirely worthless. They have to work harder, but some of them do manage to get into positions of power. The first order then abolishes any gender bias because they just can't afford to waste competent workforce having so few humans to work with when compared to the galactic empire.

I woudn't say this example let us say "There is anti female bias in the Empire". You can say there is anti female bias in US and this would be equally false.

This is iniversal truth that there is the resistance in military to inclusion of female soldiers. Various reasons here.

It works in real world, in Empire and in Rebellion.

How many female rebel troopers have You seen on Hoth? How many females in Red Squadron?

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