reusing the same ISD model

[D503 1,205]

Don't care that it's the same mould as the previous ISD, gonna buy one anyway because it looks badass.  I doubt I could manage any ship larger than an ISD due to needing to be portable, so this one will have to do.  I also love the command ISD idea.

[Alpha Xg1 455]

Agreed.

I LOVE how varied our Triangles of Doom have become.

I think it's ingenious how FFG managed to solve SO many issues with the one Expansion.

I imagine the ISD Command Flagship to be escorted by a Bruiser type ISD and an Interdictor Cruiser.

(I'm sorry VSDs...I still love you!)

[GammonLord 324]

6 hours ago, Alpha Xg1 said:

Yup...I think Darth Sanguis hit it right on the head.

The fact that by releasing the Chimera Expansion the way they have, FFG have (maybe not so sub-consiously) given us - players that have purchased multiples of the original ISD1/II Expansions peace of mind.

How? Peace of mind that our Models will not be rendered obsolete and turned into rather expensive paperweights.

In fact, with all the awesome new cards they've been given a new lease on life and a new purpose.

My friend, this simply means potentially more business for you.

Hehe. Tsk Tsk...Lando really shouldn't have made a promise he couldn't keep!

And what happened to your 'one hand from the grave'???

Agree with this - its difficult for the Imps to constantly have new large base ships as ISDs where overwhelmingly their thing. With this release they've got two new and very different large ships to play with, along with a more characterful model. 

Now i'd like a full MC75 preview please....

Edited August 29, 2017 by GammonLord

[GammonLord 324]

6 hours ago, Alpha Xg1 said:

 

Edited August 29, 2017 by GammonLord
...Double post....

[GammonLord 324]

6 hours ago, Alpha Xg1 said:

 

Edited August 29, 2017 by GammonLord
TRIPLE POST! For shame!

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,300]

8 hours ago, rjl51869 said:

yes, i have two copies of EVERY expansion.  Two copies make sense because of the ship cards and the upgrades.

plus the Chimera is cool and so is the MC75

I get the coolness of the Chimera, but most of the cards it comes with are unique, and it comes with enough ship cards for 3 ISDs. So if you get 1, then all 3 of your ISDs (I assume you have 2 default?) will have the appropriate cards, and you'll have the max required of each unique card. If you get 2, then you have enough cards for 6 ISDs, and 2 copies each of 4 officers, 2 titles, 1(/2?) admirals, 1 Boarding Card, and 2 Fleet Command cards that are unique. The only cards able to be duplicated (as far as I know) are those for the defense slot and the task force titles. Obviously, the models are all worth duplicating.

[GammonLord 324]

Getting two will mean 4 Mando assault craft though. Im hoping they turn out pretty special.

[Visovics 1,675]

7 minutes ago, GammonLord said:

Getting two will mean 4 Mando assault craft though. Im hoping they turn out pretty special.

Would not be surprised if they release both as uniques. Or maybe just a squad that you don't want more than 2

[GammonLord 324]

50 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Would not be surprised if they release both as uniques. Or maybe just a squad that you don't want more than 2

Aye, i hope so. If not and you want to field more than 2, its a serious investment...

[Gallanteer 517]

A lot of paint jobs are hideous. Some painted totally orange etc. I'm pretty certain the Emperor wouldn't tolerate deviation from battleship grey and keeping the entire fleet unified.

The only reason Chimera got away with it was because it was sent on that Outbound mission, out of the known galaxy.

Shame on you all for altering the beauty of the space triangles.

....and I'm a Rebel player.

[Animewarsdude 3,556]

3 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I get the coolness of the Chimera, but most of the cards it comes with are unique, and it comes with enough ship cards for 3 ISDs. So if you get 1, then all 3 of your ISDs (I assume you have 2 default?) will have the appropriate cards, and you'll have the max required of each unique card. If you get 2, then you have enough cards for 6 ISDs, and 2 copies each of 4 officers, 2 titles, 1(/2?) admirals, 1 Boarding Card, and 2 Fleet Command cards that are unique. The only cards able to be duplicated (as far as I know) are those for the defense slot and the task force titles. Obviously, the models are all worth duplicating.

Just call it preparation for epic play, imagine how many ISD you can run in that.

[Noosh 1,259]

As I posted earlier I think a new isd variant sculpt would be way too much for ffg to handel. Not that it would sink them or anything, but I think that if they did do it, I think it would delay a completely new ship currently in Dev. I think they did the right thing. This expansion gives the isd form great variation all the while keeping imps incredibly fluffy. Nobody in universe cared about what refit was above their world, they just know it was an ISD. Also nobody is gonna buy another large base imp ship... It would feel weird. Like some how the giant monolith of imperial oppression and bureaucracy is broken. I get the feeling they were big on standardization, with modifications on a standard form to for the role required.

[ThatRobHuman 1,789]

I will always get at least 2 of any expansion, with smaller ships getting more.

[Turtlewing 55]

At least it wasn't a two-pack with the ISD and Interdictor. Imagine the price tag on that.

[Visovics 1,675]

1 minute ago, Turtlewing said:

At least it wasn't a two-pack with the ISD and Interdictor. Imagine the price tag on that.

I don't think they will ever package separate ships like that togheter, would have too much complaints with pricetag for people that only want one of the models and have to pay more because FFG decided so

[Lobokai 1,518]

I might add, that West End sourcebooks (first place we ever saw Chimaera somehow statted) make it tough to say definitively whether the Chimaera was upgraded to ISD2 specs or not, but most think it had, given in-novel descriptions. Clearly many of Thrawn's ISDs were older variants, so for that to be true the Chimaera would have to be newer... As that's the point of origin (not Rebels), why would an ISD2 not be expected as the Chimaera model? 

Edited August 29, 2017 by Lobokai

[Democratus 1,698]

Wasn't the original Chimera in legends a Victory class?

[Lobokai 1,518]

2 minutes ago, Democratus said:

Wasn't the original Chimera in legends a Victory class?

Nope. See post above yours. 

[Noosh 1,259]

29 minutes ago, Turtlewing said:

At least it wasn't a two-pack with the ISD and Interdictor. Imagine the price tag on that.

Imperial wallet destroyer

[kmanweiss 1,501]

53 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I don't think they will ever package separate ships like that togheter, would have too much complaints with pricetag for people that only want one of the models and have to pay more because FFG decided so

X-Wing Aces box with the MF and an X-Wing was $40.

Same price as two small ships.  So, don't be too surprised if it happened.  Heck, they already force us to buy small ships in pairs with the hammerheads.  Those should have been $20/piece, but they stuck them together in a combo box.

I could see them doing a CR90 and GR75 flotilla.  Or the Raider and the Gozanti in a combo.  Due to the price difference between X and Armada, expecting us to pay more wouldn't be too extreme either, so doing a $50 or even $60 box wouldn't be unthinkable to squeeze a medium in there.  I'd doubt they'd do a $100 med/large or double large box though for the reason you stated.

I'm not in favor of any of this, just wouldn't be surprised.

[JgzMan 401]

21 hours ago, DUR said:

ISD that's crappier

We call it the VSD.

[Drasnighta 26,600]

The thing is, it has been stated definitively by the Star Wars Crew that the ISD "Chimeara" shown in Rebels is an ISD-I.

That is the current Canon source for it.

 

Now, its entirely possible that it gets refitted to an ISD-II at some stage, but in Canon, right now, its an ISD-I.

 

But that doesn't stop anything.  I mean, Devestator was also an ISD-I, and Avenger was the first of the ISD-IIs, but you seem them as the other respective Star Destroyers all the time.  The Fluff flavours the game, it doesn't rule it, which honestly, I like...  

Otherwise I'd actually feel bad all those times Yavaris exploded.

[NakedDex 2,609]

5 hours ago, JgzMan said:

We call it the VSD.

D-Caps and QBTs says otherwise.

[Kadorak 5]

While I realize there are people who care about every minute difference between the models of the "ISD I" and "ISD II", plus the "giraffe-neck" old-concept-art ISD...except perhaps for the last one, I can quite assure you that 99+% of the people walking by the table saying "wow, that looks cool" won't know the difference. At all. The paint job will impress them more.

I mean, if the costs of a new mold were minimal? Sure, it would be silly not to go for it. But as several people have said, the molds are among the highest "sunk cost" items in the miniature-making business [and several related].

But they didn't just penny pinch either; they put the money they could've used to make a marginally different ISD mold into a whole new fighter mold/type you get two of, plus several copies of the new cards in each pack so you don't have to buy it over and over again if you have lots of the old ISD.

Really seems like win-win for nearly everyone. If you care *that* much about the differences in ISD hull details, there are conversion kits or DIY instructions around. *Shrug*

[Sasajak 1,344]

1 hour ago, Kadorak said:

I can quite assure you that 99+% of the people walking by the table saying "wow, that looks cool" won't know the difference. At all.

The ISD always come out if I'm on a recruitment drive!  However if someone is really interested in Star Wars they may know of the difference between the models and if not it would still be a nice talking point that this is the ISD model seen in Rogue One and A New Hope.  While I'll be getting the Chimaera and I'm pleased as punch with the paint job and all the upgrade cards there is that tinge of disappointment the FFG couldn't have grasped this opportunity (could be the last ISD release?  I'm hopeful not) and taken the extra step to produce an ISD-I model.