Star Wars: Legion large scale FFG ground combat minis wargame

[Crabbok 9,868]

Problem is going to be that if this is the same scale as Imperial Assault, an AT-AT will be huge, and any future walkers may be even Hugererer....

 

  But if they go smaller, then doing individual heroes like Darth Vader will be problematic, especially for painters.  

 

Very curious to see what they've come up with. 

 

I would love it if this new game were compatible with Runewars, so you can battle undead vs stormtroopers or whatever... Or allow you to use your x-wing miniatures as air strike units for when someone calls in a bombing run. 

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6 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

That would be genius - you mean if Legions was the same scale as IA? Their sales of IA minis would certainly get a shot in the arm. 

Exactly what I mean, that way old players will expand on there collection of IA moving it to Legions, new players would be buying the mini's. Players who have already invested into IA would not feel like they were ripped. Besides 28mm minis are the bomb.

[Stasy 2,501]

All I'm gonna say about this is that I'm super intrigued. If the rules are simple, and the pieces look good, It'll be easy to take a swing at this game. I can see moving funds from X Wing to this in that case.

[Iceeagle85 495]

Awesome news, though now I probably won't get Runewars. About the scale well 28/32mm or 15mm would be fine with me. Do you think they will show it at GenCon?

[Tiberius the Killer 465]

I am really hoping it is 15mm.  I think Heroes will look just fine in 15mm.  I think they look fine in 10mm.  I also think painting 10mm is actually significantly easier than 28mm.  You can rely on washes and simply highlighting and make then look fantastic in a way I don't think you can do with 28mm.  

Plus, I want reasonably sized snow speeders and air support in the game.  They would have to be friggin huge in 28mm, or look stupidly out of place.  If this imaginary game really does exist, I think it needs to be 15mm or less.  Heck, Epic 40k is 6mm, I think those infantry models look just fine.

15mm would put the ATAT at about what, 4 inches tall?  Maybe cost 40$?

At 28mm ATAT would be minimum 100$, maybe more.

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5 minutes ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

I am really hoping it is 15mm.  I think Heroes will look just fine in 15mm.  I think they look fine in 10mm.  I also think painting 10mm is actually significantly easier than 28mm.  You can rely on washes and simply highlighting and make then look fantastic in a way I don't think you can do with 28mm.  

Plus, I want reasonably sized snow speeders and air support in the game.  They would have to be friggin huge in 28mm, or look stupidly out of place.  If this imaginary game really does exist, I think it needs to be 15mm or less.  Heck, Epic 40k is 6mm, I think those infantry models look just fine.

15mm would put the ATAT at about what, 4 inches tall?  Maybe cost 40$?

At 28mm ATAT would be minimum 100$, maybe more.

I agree. That's the thing, right? It'll have to be to IA as Armada is to X-Wing. Epic scale battles. The names even sound similar: Armada and Legion. Maybe they will have infantry come in squads like Armada.

[Thrindal 1,295]

3 hours ago, xanderf said:

(Now, the 'boardgame' vs 'miniature game' thing is really only one potential area of conflict.  It's entirely possible that Hasbro and FFG *are* having problems with each other over the figures.  IE., who gets to make action figures of Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, etc.  But if that's the source of the dispute, I don't think 'Legion as a way of re-using IA molds' is a likely path forward.)

This could be the problem for sure.  Years ago LEGO Tried selling individual Star Wars Figures in packs and they got hammered by Hasboro for breaking their Action Figure license.  IA Expansions are not quite as clear cut a violation because of the cards and other minutia included in the pack but it could be argued you are Buying a "Darth Vader" figure.  And yes if that is an issue, Legion will have to package differently.

 

My unrelated thought process however has been is the Core set going to be Hoth or Scariff based?  Please be Hoth!

[ryanjamal 1,229]

29 minutes ago, Iceeagle85 said:

Awesome news, though now I probably won't get Runewars. About the scale well 28/32mm or 15mm would be fine with me. Do you think they will show it at GenCon?

If this is happening, it will be announced in the in-flight report tomorrow, after which there will be a display case for it and a demo table set up.  And people will lose their minds :-)

-ryanjamal

[Norsehound 2,740]

If the idea is massive ground scale combat it won't be imperial assault scale. I'd think infantry would be the scale of rebellion infantry, grouped in threes like squads. At-ats would be the size of the falcon. Whatever that scale is.

[Iceeagle85 495]

27 minutes ago, ryanjamal said:

If this is happening, it will be announced in the in-flight report tomorrow, after which there will be a display case for it and a demo table set up.  And people will lose their minds :-)

-ryanjamal

Thanks for the information, but I already lost my mind what should I do then?

[Tirion 2,223]

53 minutes ago, Iceeagle85 said:

Thanks for the information, but I already lost my mind what should I do then?

Truth! I've been calling for a game like this for a while, even on these forums somewhere. And this hopefully true leak made me spend money on knew shorts.

[TylerTT 1,295]

please for the love of god be 10 MM and not 15 MM or 30 MM. 10 MM are so easy to paint and 15 MM are incredibly hard.

[ianediger 1,345]

1 hour ago, Norsehound said:

At-ats would be the size of the falcon. Whatever that scale is.

Pretty sure standard X-Wing is 1/250 scale. What that is in miniatures sizes, I have no clue.

[Megatronrex 2,867]

2 hours ago, Thrindal said:

My unrelated thought process however has been is the Core set going to be Hoth or Scariff based?  Please be Hoth!

Come on Endor! Gimme some Ewok Gliders! Yub Nub!

[Drasnighta 26,831]

9 minutes ago, ianediger said:

Pretty sure standard X-Wing is 1/250 scale. What that is in miniatures sizes, I have no clue.

BattleTech is between 1/285 and 1/300 depending on which 'Mech is being done.

 

The result is Infantry is 6mm at that point.

[thecactusman17 3,192]

2 hours ago, Norsehound said:

If the idea is massive ground scale combat it won't be imperial assault scale. I'd think infantry would be the scale of rebellion infantry, grouped in threes like squads. At-ats would be the size of the falcon. Whatever that scale is.

 If it's designed to compete with 40K, it will use a similar scale.  28mm scale models are popular for gaming and hobby purposes because they're easy to work with and there is toned of pre-existing support for 28mm gaming (terrain, gaming mats,  lots of stores set for 28mm games, etc).

We'll find out tomorrow. 

[TylerTT 1,295]

I think the 40K comparison was drawn by someone not FFG. 

The point of this game is most likely to sell AT-AT toys that means 15, 10, or 6 mm.

[BrobaFett 4,209]

From the Star Wars Mini's Wiki:

Star Wars Miniatures is a 34mm scale collectible miniatures tabletop game based on the Star Wars fictional universe that was produced by Wizards of the Coast. The game was originally released in September 2004 and continued production until May 2010.

The AT-AT was released in 2005 with the AT-AT Imperial Walker Colossal Pack; it's the largest miniature ever released for Star Wars Miniatures. Its dimensions are: 18 wide x 14 high x 7 deep.

 

So if we are talking 28mm then it will still be smaller than the AT-AT released by Wizards. Assuming directly proportionate to the Wizards one (not that WOTC are awesome at scale by any means) it would mean a 28mm AT-AT would be 14.8" x 11.5" x 5.7". That seems about ok to me for a standard tabletop game. Maybe just a hair too big. If they used a sliding scale that adjusted it down to maybe 11" or 12" in length I think it would serve as a great "largest model in the game" watermark. Again, this is just conjecture based on the models from a currently existing defunct mini game.

[Tiberius the Killer 465]

11" is still pretty dang big. And I think at a smaller scale it will be just that much more imposing. 

Plus this is a game where that is the central unit. I doubt armada would have done as well if ISDs were $100. 

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13 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

Depends on what they plan for IA.  If they're about to drop it because of the lawsuits with other companies, it's an easy switch from one to the other and they don't have to destroy the molds (which I understand to be expensive).

The quote for the game also mentions that the figures need to be assembled, which would make them different molds to IA?

[Drasnighta 26,831]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

I doubt armada would have done as well if ISDs were $100. 

Man, in some parts of Canada, they are.

[thecactusman17 3,192]

5 minutes ago, Teloch said:

The quote for the game also mentions that the figures need to be assembled, which would make them different molds to IA?

If they're the same scale, it generally won't make a difference.  Also, several models in IA are multi-part models such as the ATST, Hovertank, Bantha, and Rancor.

[Tiberius the Killer 465]

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

Man, in some parts of Canada, they are.

Dude. That sucks!  And I bet you have trouble finding other players. 

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2 minutes ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

Dude. That sucks!  And I bet you have trouble finding other players. 

Nope.  Hothgary regularly has 8 come out for Fleet Patrols, with 3-4 apologies.  We had 20 at our Store Championships, and that was players just from Calgary with a couple from Red Deer, no-one from Edmonton made the trip down.

 

Got another store's Store Champs on Saturday, too.  So I get to see the people who can't make my normal Sunday Tournaments.

 

5-6 groups are all basement CC play, too.

 

In short, the Core Set is the only Price Barrier to the game  (And that often breaks $140 here, if you get it locally - more if you add postage.  Even more if you add Import fees)...  Once you've bought in, you've bought in.  You'll buy that Star Destroyer because you've bought in, and its a freakin' Star Destroyer.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Drasnighta

[Tiberius the Killer 465]

16 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Nope.  Hothgary regularly has 8 come out for Fleet Patrols, with 3-4 apologies.  We had 20 at our Store Championships, and that was players just from Calgary with a couple from Red Deer, no-one from Edmonton made the trip down.

 

Got another store's Store Champs on Saturday, too.  So I get to see the people who can't make my normal Sunday Tournaments.

 

5-6 groups are all basement CC play, too.

 

In short, the Core Set is the only Price Barrier to the game  (And that often breaks $140 here, if you get it locally - more if you add postage.  Even more if you add Import fees)...  Once you've bought in, you've bought in.  You'll buy that Star Destroyer because you've bought in, and its a freakin' Star Destroyer.

I amend my statement. Only Canadians would spend $100 dollars on an ISD.

But really, I think more than $50 dollars retail, for the most iconic piece, would be a lot. And imagine how much it would be there if it were $100 retail here.