Arquitens Conga Line - How to?

[Muntman 31]

So After using the Arquitens with no upgrades during the weekend and wrapped at how they performed... I am looking at doing a list using these ships as the core.

3-4 and the leftovers on something. Commanders maybe Vader or Screed? Someone who can maximise the Red Dice and their damage output.

Suggestions?

[Shadoq 140]

Moff JJ is a good choice to allow you to go speed 3 and make a critical 2 click turn at the speed 1 mark.
 

On one of your Arq, you can run Needa and TRC to get an extra evade token.

 

 

 

[Muntman 31]

Ok so came up with this...

 

Arquitens Conga Line 

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 394/400  

Commander: Darth Vader

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo
Defense Objective: Fire Lanes
Navigation Objective: Superior Positions

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Enhanced Armament  ( 10  points) 
= 64 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Enhanced Armament  ( 10  points) 
= 64 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Enhanced Armament  ( 10  points) 
= 64 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Enhanced Armament  ( 10  points) 
= 64 total ship cost

 

[ flagship ] Raider-I Class Corvette (44 points)
-  Darth Vader  ( 36  points) 
-  Instigator  ( 4  points) 
-  Ordnance Experts  ( 4  points) 
-  Quad Laser Turrets  ( 5  points) 
= 93 total ship cost

 

4 TIE Fighter Squadrons ( 32 points) 
1 Valen Rudor ( 13 points) 

[MandalorianMoose 1,862]

TBH I would drop the raider to two gozantis and put RBD on whichever Arq Vader is on.

you want to be keeping at red range skirting sideways and the raider conflicts with that theme pretty heavily (plus it's much easier to kill).

you could also consider dropping to slaved turrets for 4 points saved per arq considering you are planning to "conga line" them anyway and will most likely not be firing out of both side arcs. 

Just my two cents

[Muntman 31]

I am worried about facing say an ISD or a heavy hitter; worried the Arquitens may not have the bulk needed.

I did look at maybe including a Gladiator for something which can swoop in and hit hard.

[Muntman 31]

Aquitens Conga Line 

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 393/400  

Commander: Darth Vader

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo
Defense Objective: Fire Lanes
Navigation Objective: Superior Positions

 

[ flagship ] Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Darth Vader  ( 36  points) 
-  Reinforced Blast Doors  ( 5  points) 
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 101 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 60 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 60 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 60 total ship cost

 

Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (56 points)
-  Ordnance Experts  ( 4  points) 
-  Assault Concussion Missiles  ( 7  points) 
= 67 total ship cost

 

4 TIE Fighter Squadrons ( 32 points) 
1 Valen Rudor ( 13 points) 

[Doppelganger 305]

You really need something to activate those fighters or they are just fish in a barrel. Two Gozantis seem like a must to me. You can drop one arq and get them + demolisher on the Gladiator. And with Vader I think you can drop the OEs?

[Megatronrex 2,867]

I built a Screed Arq list but haven't played it at all yet...

Screed's Clouder of Pain
Author: Megatronrex

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 399/400

Commander: Admiral Screed

Assault Objective: Most Wanted
Defense Objective: Fire Lanes
Navigation Objective: Sensor Net

[ flagship ] Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Admiral Screed  ( 26  points)
-  Reinforced Blast Doors  ( 5  points)
-  Turbolaser Reroute Circuits  ( 7  points)
= 92 total ship cost

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Captain Needa  ( 2  points)
-  Turbolaser Reroute Circuits  ( 7  points)
= 63 total ship cost

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Turbolaser Reroute Circuits  ( 7  points)
= 61 total ship cost

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Turbolaser Reroute Circuits  ( 7  points)
= 61 total ship cost

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
-  Comms Net  ( 2  points)
= 25 total ship cost

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
= 23 total ship cost

2 Lambda-class Shuttles ( 30 points)
4 TIE Interceptor Squadrons ( 44 points)

[Democratus 1,698]

I have taken Vader/Arquitens to tournament play. It can be a fun list - but will wither to dedicated bomber lists. That's just part of the game.

This is my most recent iteration. I'm still on the fence with the Defense Objective. It's the most difficult.

Vader Arquitens Mk IV 
Author: Democratus

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 397/400  

Commander: Darth Vader

Assault Objective: Most Wanted
Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

 

[ flagship ] Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Darth Vader  ( 36  points) 
-  Captain Needa  ( 2  points) 
-  Turbolaser Reroute Circuits  ( 7  points) 
= 99 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 67 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 67 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 67 total ship cost

 

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
-  Comms Net  ( 2  points) 
= 25 total ship cost

 

1 Ciena Ree ( 17 points) 
1 Valen Rudor ( 13 points) 
1 Morna Kee ( 27 points) 
1 Zertik Strom ( 15 points) 

[Megatronrex 2,867]

The Intel Officers seem like they would add a nice extra bit of punch. You could drop Zertik for a shuttle. Helps with those token based defense objectives and escort isn't really necessary here since you want them shooting at Ciena or Morna anyway.

[Democratus 1,698]

27 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

The Intel Officers seem like they would add a nice extra bit of punch. You could drop Zertik for a shuttle. Helps with those token based defense objectives and escort isn't really necessary here since you want them shooting at Ciena or Morna anyway.

Good point. I was trying to decide between Zertik and a Shuttle. You are right that the shuttle brings more utility both for Relay and Strategic.

[Muntman 31]

54 minutes ago, Democratus said:

I have taken Vader/Arquitens to tournament play. It can be a fun list - but will wither to dedicated bomber lists. That's just part of the game.

This is my most recent iteration. I'm still on the fence with the Defense Objective. It's the most difficult.

Vader Arquitens Mk IV 
Author: Democratus

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 397/400  

Commander: Darth Vader

Assault Objective: Most Wanted
Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

 

[ flagship ] Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Darth Vader  ( 36  points) 
-  Captain Needa  ( 2  points) 
-  Turbolaser Reroute Circuits  ( 7  points) 
= 99 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 67 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 67 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
-  Slaved Turrets  ( 6  points) 
= 67 total ship cost

 

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
-  Comms Net  ( 2  points) 
= 25 total ship cost

 

1 Ciena Ree ( 17 points) 
1 Valen Rudor ( 13 points) 
1 Morna Kee ( 27 points) 
1 Zertik Strom ( 15 points) 

 

 

 

Ok so I took the advice... did some tinkering. I did not see this until after I finished so surprised when I saw I settled on the same missions as you.

 

The defensive mission is a hard one to pick.

 

Figured Centacor would help with fighter activation without the need of boosted comms. Also comms net to handball tokens where and when I need them most to the fleet of Arquitens.

 

++ Standard (Imperial Navy) [396pts] ++

+ Arquitens-class Cruiser +

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser [101pts]: Reinforced Blast Doors, Slaved Turrets, •Darth Vader

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser [63pts]: Slaved Turrets, •Centicore

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser [60pts]: Slaved Turrets

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser [60pts]: Slaved Turrets

+ Gozanti-class Flotilla +

Gozanti-class Cruisers [25pts]: Comms Net

Gozanti-class Cruisers [25pts]: Comms Net

+ Squadrons +

TIE Fighter [45pts]: 4x TIE Fighter Squadron, •Valen Rudor

TIE Interceptor [17pts]: •Ciena Ree

+ Objectives +

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo

Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon

Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

++ Total: [396pts]:

[MandalorianMoose 1,862]

16 minutes ago, Muntman said:

Ok so I took the advice... did some tinkering. I did not see this until after I finished so surprised when I saw I settled on the same missions as you.

 

The defensive mission is a hard one to pick.

 

Figured Centacor would help with fighter activation without the need of boosted comms. Also comms net to handball tokens where and when I need them most to the fleet of Arquitens.

 

++ Standard (Imperial Navy) [396pts] ++

+ Arquitens-class Cruiser +

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser [101pts]: Reinforced Blast Doors, Slaved Turrets, •Darth Vader

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser [63pts]: Slaved Turrets, •Centicore

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser [60pts]: Slaved Turrets

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser [60pts]: Slaved Turrets

+ Gozanti-class Flotilla +

Gozanti-class Cruisers [25pts]: Comms Net

Gozanti-class Cruisers [25pts]: Comms Net

+ Squadrons +

TIE Fighter [45pts]: 4x TIE Fighter Squadron, •Valen Rudor

TIE Interceptor [17pts]: •Ciena Ree

+ Objectives +

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo

Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon

Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

++ Total: [396pts]:

This is looking like a great list that should be able to handle a wide variety of enemy fleets (provided clever flying of course!)

[Megatronrex 2,867]

7 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

This is looking like a great list that should be able to handle a wide variety of enemy fleets (provided clever flying of course!)

Which expansion has that upgrade. I'll buy as many as I can get.

[Muntman 31]

Ok so I played it today woth my usual buddy.

It was a very narrow loss... but the damage was done; the sheer amont of firepower this list has is ridiculous!

 

Questions are deployment... and speed. I wen at Speed 3 and it was ok. I did not use the Flotillas properly. The CAP did very well, holding its own.

[MandalorianMoose 1,862]

Start off slowly so that you can maximize time at red range. With a token and a dial you can jump from 1 to 3 to speed away and put distance between you and the enemy again.

[Darth evil 906]

personally i would drop the slaved turrets for QBT's which save you 3 points, i'd upgrade the Gozanti to Assault so it can sling a red die to plink away at shields and i'd switch Ciena to Jonus, if your cruisers start doing CF commands with jonus next to a ship, that accuracy and 5 dice each will melt even an MC80

[SgtDurandal 175]

14 hours ago, Muntman said:

Ok so I played it today woth my usual buddy.

It was a very narrow loss... but the damage was done; the sheer amont of firepower this list has is ridiculous!

 

Questions are deployment... and speed. I wen at Speed 3 and it was ok. I did not use the Flotillas properly. The CAP did very well, holding its own.

So I've been flying Arq Gun lines for awhile and I really love the damage they can dish out. Deployment is critical as I've lost some nasty matches when setting them out there in a bad way. I did a short video on deployment, speed and opening maneuvers for a batrep video a while back. The fleet build isn't exactly what you're working with but the concepts with the Arquitens are very similar. Check it out and let me know if it is helpful at all (time stamp 3:57 to 9:53):

 

[BrobaFett 4,209]

From the other thread talking about arquitens I just tried nav teams with tarkin on command variants and its changed the ship completely for me. It makes it so much easier to do what the thread topic is trying to do.

[thecactusman17 3,192]

Going to offer a list idea from my buddy Norsehound.

3 Arquitens, Darth Vader commander, 1-2 Gozantis, and Captain Jonus with squadron escorts and a jumpmaster.  Fly your Arqs sideways to the incoming list, then use Vader and Jonus to reroll all non-damage and flip over Accuracy results as necessary.  Combine with a mild fighter screen and use Gozantis to activate your squads ia Strategic.  You can do quite a bit of damage if you fly smart.

[Muntman 31]

Ok so.. have had 2 games with this list.

Now both games were good and close, though some problems seems to have arisen.

The Arquitens rely so much on Vader that when he dies... the firepower advantage evapourates. Also my opponent managed to close the distance and just charged pell-mell into close range and proceeded to obliterate the fleet. I was able to do damage but not enough was pushing through. 

CAP was fine. Disposable Cap's hurt this fleet as well.

I am able to do damage but just not fast enough late game. So I was thinking of maybe trying something like Intel Officers or XI7 Turbolasers to help focus fire and have the damage bleed through. With the XI7's especially I can focus on just locking down Brace and make the redirect redundant somewhat. Looking at maybe trying Tarkin to help handball tokens like NAV and concentrate fire tokens to speed up the reaction time of the fleet and leave the command dials for more important orders.

Looking at trying using the Demolisher as well as a ship to help deter ships from trying to get too close and have something which can work in tandem with the Arquitens to kill ships late in the game.

[MandalorianMoose 1,862]

Intel officer will serve you MUCH better than XI7

[Muntman 31]

6 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Intel officer will serve you MUCH better than XI7

Ok so How about this...

 

Arquitens Conga Line Mk II 

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 394/400  

Commander: Grand Moff Tarkin

Assault Objective: Opening Salvo
Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

 

Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (56 points)
-  Demolisher  ( 10  points) 
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
-  Ordnance Experts  ( 4  points) 
-  Assault Proton Torpedoes  ( 5  points) 
= 82 total ship cost

 

[ flagship ] Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Grand Moff Tarkin  ( 38  points) 
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
= 99 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
= 61 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
= 61 total ship cost

 

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser (54 points)
-  Intel Officer  ( 7  points) 
= 61 total ship cost

 

1 Valen Rudor ( 13 points) 
1 Ciena Ree ( 17 points) 

[GammonLord 324]

Tarkin is great on Arqs, especially with Engine Techs - Tarkin does tokens for the ET every turn, allowing for some amazingly effective speed four turns, whilst orders can permanently be concentrate fire (bar needing engineering of course). 4 X 4 red broadsides zipping about the place is nasty.

Incredibly hard to pin down - a friend of mine at my local club shredded a fair few of my fleets with it till my MC30s finally caught the buggers,

[Muntman 31]

2 minutes ago, GammonLord said:

Tarkin is great on Arqs, especially with Engine Techs - Tarkin does tokens for the ET every turn, allowing for some amazingly effective speed four turns, whilst orders can permanently be concentrate fire (bar needing engineering of course). 4 X 4 red broadsides zipping about the place is nasty.

Incredibly hard to pin down - a friend of mine at my local club shredded a fair few of my fleets with it till my MC30s finally caught the buggers,

Going to persevere with this list in general. My mate reckons there is not alot of merit to the Arquitens so we shall see tomorrow.
He is running a pair of  MC80 Battlecruisers with Gunnery Teams, Leading Shots, XI7 and XX-9's and Engine Techs. Mon Karren is his Flagship with Dodonna leading the fleet. He has a pair of Flotaillas and Tycho and Shara as the CAP.