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3 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

I’m out. Don’t take us down this hole again. 

Well, on 2 i2 generics out of a mini-swarm/full swarm it's probably fine raising them to i3. They're the best of their squad behind Howl herself. Obviously the i4 generics wouldn't have access to an option like this.

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1 minute ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

just make a squad card that says 

"Your squad can only contain (Pilots in squad)"

"Get (Benefit)"

So something like only Black Squadron generics, get (idk what)

Also this is your weekly reminder to buff the Black Squadron Scout.

Give Black Squadron a "Black Squadron" keyword, then make a Black Squadron/Empire restricted upgrade that references other friendly members of Black Squadron. You'd need to specify Empire, because Poe's squad is Black Squadron, as well.

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3 hours ago, Kaptin Krunch said:

just make a squad card that says 

 

"Your squad can only contain (Pilots in squad)"

"Get (Benefit)"

So something like only Black Squadron generics, get (idk what)

This, however, I think is boring.

I don't like "The list can only this one squad, and the entire list gets the benefit."

I think it'd be really cool to have "Bring XYZ leader pilot, then ABC squad gain benefit, the rest of the list is whatever stuff you want but it doesn't get any perks."

Mauler Mithel + 4 Black Squadron TIEs + (choice of ace or support ship) is a lot more interesting to me.

Leader-Gang-Gang-Gang-❄️Snowflake❄️ just has a lot more options and scope for the imagination than Squad-[...yawn...]-Squad.  Maybe instead of 4 Black Squads with the leader you only bring 3 or 2, and the rest of the squad has Vader or RAC or whatever.  Maybe it's all Mauler + Black Squads.

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Squad + Squad + Squad + Squad + Squad + Squad + Squad? + Squad? +Gang can be really interesting to. Support Multiplier + Squad swarms are cool for their own reasons but the lists that operate with "separate functional pieces" without a support platform have some of the most interesting engagement pathing in the game. 

Fun Squad Squad Gangs with room for variation: 

  • 5 CLT Jedi + Broadside
  • Any 7 Ship Ordinance Droid Swarm 
  • 4x Sycks + Fangs 
  • Syck Squad + Miners and Zs and stuff Squad Gang
  • 5 Striker + 2x Carls 
  • 7 Barons (1 intimidator) 
  • 7 Fireballs (All yolo) 
  • etc. 

This kinda stuff is wildly underappreciated still. 

I for sure run mostly Ace + Squad Gangs (due to personal preference to always staple some orange and purple thing to a list at 200 pts) and sometimes Ace + Support + Squad Gang (i.e. Soontir + Howl Swarm). There is still something to appreciate about pure Squad Squad Squad Gang Swarms with individual pieces that provide value/variety by themselves without any true ace or support. Even if they sometimes involve multiple copies of the same ship. Not every copy of that ship is doing the same thing or approaching engagements identically, they often have specific unique roles in game even if the stats/chassis are shared. 

As a random separate comment that is probably unrelated its worth restating that I think games against CIS Droid Ordinance Swarms in particular are almost always hugely entertaining. Every Droid has a purpose and a couple specific things they need to do or places they need to be round to round for the strategy to work out. 

Edited by Boom Owl
im not sure this is even related to prior post so untagged

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1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Squad + Squad + Squad + Squad + Squad + Squad + Squad? + Squad? +Gang can be really interesting to.

It *can* be.  I think it's more interesting if you can, but don't *have* to.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:
  • 5 CLT Jedi + Broadside

This is a good example of my view.

3-4-5 CLT Jedi, with maybe Broadside and/or Ric mixed in is preferable to me over 5 CLT Jedi and no other options.

I mean, I'm a Fang Gang Fan Guy, and if the rule is Only-Fangs, I'll play it and love it because FANGS, but that also means I think it can be fun to mix in Scyks.  The option of mixing in Scyks, even if you choose not to, adds zest.

Edited by theBitterFig
And though untagged, I still go the bell, so replying anyhow.

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Approaching this from a practical, as in, what physical models can I bring to the table, aspect...I don't know what "spam" list is so compelling I'm willing to lay out $15-$20 a pop to buy 7-8 models to field.

I tend to draw the line at four of a given ship though, in the case of T-65s and T-70s, I sort of blew the doors off that concept. It just kind of happened.

Still. 

I expect the need for digital tabletops in these times has blurred the lines but, I still wonder, what spam list is worth that kind of $ investment? I'm more inclined to want to experiment and have some variety on the table. Just my thoughts after about the fifth brew or so. I had today off work. 😎🍺

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2 hours ago, Spinland said:

Approaching this from a practical, as in, what physical models can I bring to the table, aspect...I don't know what "spam" list is so compelling I'm willing to lay out $15-$20 a pop to buy 7-8 models to field.

I tend to draw the line at four of a given ship though, in the case of T-65s and T-70s, I sort of blew the doors off that concept. It just kind of happened.

Still. 

I expect the need for digital tabletops in these times has blurred the lines but, I still wonder, what spam list is worth that kind of $ investment? I'm more inclined to want to experiment and have some variety on the table. Just my thoughts after about the fifth brew or so. I had today off work. 😎🍺

 

...the idea that 4 or so extra $20 ships is a significant investment must be an X-Wing thing because all the other games I play that would be pretty modest for a spam list

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12 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:

 

...the idea that 4 or so extra $20 ships is a significant investment must be an X-Wing thing because all the other games I play that would be pretty modest for a spam list

Yeah, don't know what I was thinking. I have more than one guitar that, all by itself, costs way more than I'd ever spend on an entire X-Wing collection. It's all a matter of perspective. :)

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A lot of interesting things for Crait. And a lot of sibling archetypes to what I'll probably field for Ryloth, but not quite the archetype. I get to be a special snowflake!

Neat-o that there's a good heaping of Boba, Nym (Concussion Bombs make him relevant?), Xi, and LAAT as expected, given that they are expanded by wave 7, but comical that there's an absence of HMP.

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As always I love your stats, but are you sure on the numbers? I count 17 Reys and 19 Vader

What's Pastrami?

I'm surprised by the amount of Warthogs and LAATs, would we have so many if it was a non online tournament?

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3 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

As always I love your stats, but are you sure on the numbers? I count 17 Reys and 19 Vader

What's Pastrami?

I'm surprised by the amount of Warthogs and LAATs, would we have so many if it was a non online tournament?

Maybe? Here Laats are sold out, HMPs and XI you still can buy.

 

List above: Malarus played a lot as well, not a surprise at all.

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2 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

Maybe? Here Laats are sold out, HMPs and XI you still can buy.

I should have phrased it better: would so many people bring a just released ship to 280 players event if it wasn't online or would they default to something better known and tested (like nantex for example)?

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2 hours ago, Managarmr said:

Maybe? Here Laats are sold out, HMPs and XI you still can buy.

 

My town officially has more scalpers than actual players. 

We can't get ten guys to show up to the only OP event within two hours of us, but somehow every new ship is sold out of Barnes&Noble and our local store....

(It's been like this since before the pandemic too, but now it seems even worse. Maybe we'll have a revival at the next store champ, but I'm not holding my breath.)

Edited by Bucknife

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28 minutes ago, svelok said:

what makes you sure they're scalpers and not just a silent majority playing at home?

I'm not sure. 

But they'd be quite the picky silent majority to only buy every single LAAT and thing from new wave, while there's overflow of almost every other wave ship sitting there on the shelves...

As far as I'm aware, we had no supply shortages here either. Full orders, simply sold out. 

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GAR is a pretty popular faction (Jedi, cool clones you all know and love from the prequels and TV shows). I am not surprised the Laat is a good seller at all. I know a handful of people around here who bought the Laat just for display/painting purposes.

According to the community summer survey (heavily NA and online focussed) GAR is the 4th most popular faction after the 3 OGs.

Edited by funwok

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I mean, the LAAT has more screen time than probably the Y-wing and the B-wing combined ( not really counting Resistance / Ep9). 

There are multiple scenes with main characters having dialogue IN the LAAT as well. 

$50 on Amazon? 

Yeah. 

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3 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

I should have phrased it better: would so many people bring a just released ship to 280 players event if it wasn't online or would they default to something better known and tested (like nantex for example)?

I'd guess probably a few more fly the new stuff.  When it's online, it's a bit more "made up" than normal, and that probably gives folks a bit more license to go wild, try the new stuff.

Plus, as with any other widespread and powerful list like Nantex, getting an excuse to fly something else is often something folks will leap on.

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Crait Cut I Guess:

List
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Crack Shot + Marksmanship
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Crack Shot + Marksmanship
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Crack Shot + Marksmanship
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Crack Shot + Marksmanship
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Crack Shot + Marksmanship
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Crack Shot + Marksmanship
Rey Scavenged YT-1300 (70)
Rey's Millennium Falcon
Zizi Tlo RZ-2 A-wing (46)
Heroic + Advanced Optics
Tallissan Lintra RZ-2 A-wing (41)
Heroic + Advanced Optics
Greer Sonnel RZ-2 A-wing (41)
Heroic + Advanced Optics
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Kylo Ren TIE/vn Silencer (76)
Commander Malarus Xi-class Light Shuttle (45)
Proud Tradition
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Wedge Antilles T-65 X-wing (68)
Proton Torpedoes + Servomotor S-foils
Luke Skywalker T-65 X-wing (75)
Proton Torpedoes + Servomotor S-foils
Norra Wexley BTL-A4 Y-wing (54)
Ion Cannon Turret + Adv. Proton Torpedoes + Seismic Charges
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Han Solo Modied YT-1300 Light Freighter (115)
Trick Shot + R2-D2 + Kanan Jarrus + Hull Upgrade + Shield Upgrade + Millennium Falcon
Leia Organa Modied YT-1300 Light Freighter (77)
"Warthog" LAAT/i Gunship (58)
Clone Commander Cody
104th Battalion Pilot ARC-170 Starghter (42)
Gold Squadron Trooper V-19 Torrent Starghter (25)
Gold Squadron Trooper V-19 Torrent Starghter (25)
Gold Squadron Trooper V-19 Torrent Starghter (25)
Gold Squadron Trooper V-19 Torrent Starghter (25)
Techno Union Bomber Hyena-class Droid Bomber (33)
Proximity Mines + Delayed Fuses + Landing Struts
Techno Union Bomber Hyena-class Droid Bomber (33)
Proximity Mines + Delayed Fuses + Landing Struts
Techno Union Bomber Hyena-class Droid Bomber (33)
Proximity Mines + Delayed Fuses + Landing Struts
Techno Union Bomber Hyena-class Droid Bomber (33)
Proximity Mines + Delayed Fuses + Landing Struts
Techno Union Bomber Hyena-class Droid Bomber (33)
Proximity Mines + Delayed Fuses + Landing Struts
Techno Union Bomber Hyena-class Droid Bomber (33)
Proximity Mines + Delayed Fuses + Landing Struts
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (30)
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Rey Scavenged YT-1300 (97)
Korr Sella + Rose Tico + Finn + Contraband Cybernetics + Rey's Millennium Falcon
Zizi Tlo RZ-2 A-wing (50)
Heroic + Cluster Missiles + Advanced Optics
Tallissan Lintra RZ-2 A-wing (45)
Heroic + Cluster Missiles + Advanced Optics
Rey Scavenged YT-1300 (100)
Korr Sella + Rose Tico + Finn + Contraband Cybernetics + Hull Upgrade + Rey's Millennium Falcon
Zizi Tlo RZ-2 A-wing (48)
Crack Shot + Heroic + Advanced Optics
L'ulo L'ampar RZ-2 A-wing (49)
Lone Wolf + Heroic
Rey Scavenged YT-1300 (95)
Rose Tico + Korr Sella + Finn + Rey's Millennium Falcon
Zizi Tlo RZ-2 A-wing (52)
Heroic + Proton Rockets + Advanced Optics
Tallissan Lintra RZ-2 A-wing (47)
Heroic + Proton Rockets + Advanced Optics
Laetin A'shera M3-A Interceptor (34)
Marksmanship + Autoblasters
Tansarii Point Veteran M3-A Interceptor (33)
Marksmanship + Autoblasters
Tansarii Point Veteran M3-A Interceptor (33)
Marksmanship + Autoblasters
Tansarii Point Veteran M3-A Interceptor (33)
Marksmanship + Autoblasters
Tansarii Point Veteran M3-A Interceptor (33)
Marksmanship + Autoblasters
Tansarii Point Veteran M3-A Interceptor (33)
Marksmanship + Autoblasters
G4R-G0R V/M M3-A Interceptor (28)
Boba Fett Firespray-class Patrol Craft (110)
Maul + Proximity Mines + Shield Upgrade
Dengar JumpMaster 5000 (62)
Predator + Jamming Beam + Deadman's Switch + Punishing One + R5-TK
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
AP-5 Sheathipede-class Shuttle (32)
"Holo" TIE/ba Interceptor (64)
Proud Tradition + Deuterium Power Cells
Petty Ocer Thanisson Upsilon-class command shuttle (59)
Jamming Beam
Lieutenant Tavson Upsilon-class command shuttle (73)
Jamming Beam + Captain Phasma + Hull Upgrade + Biohexacrypt Codes
General Grievous Belbullab-22 Starghter (52)
Daredevil + Soulless One
Chertek Nantex-class Starghter (34)
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (30)
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (30)
DGS-047 HMP Droid Gunship (47)
Cluster Missiles + Kalani + Repulsorlift Stabilizers
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Marksmanship + Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Marksmanship + Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (33)
Marksmanship + Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Boba Fett Firespray-class Patrol Craft (113)
Fearless + 0-0-0 + Proton Bombs + Contraband Cybernetics + Ablative Plating + Marauder
Captain Nym Scurrg H-6 bomber (78)
Ion Cannon Turret + Skilled Bombardier + Proton Bombs + Concussion Bombs + Ablative Plating + Havoc + Trajectory Simulator + "Genius"
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (34)
Crack Shot + Predator
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (34)
Crack Shot + Predator
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (34)
Crack Shot + Predator
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Petranaki Arena Ace Nantex-class Starghter (32)
Crack Shot
Captain Nym Scurrg H-6 bomber (69)
Ion Cannon Turret + Veteran Turret Gunner + Proton Bombs + Hull Upgrade
Dengar JumpMaster 5000 (65)
Greedo + Contraband Cybernetics + Punishing One + R5-P8
Kavil BTL-A4 Y-wing (63)
Marksmanship + Dorsal Turret + Veteran Turret Gunner + R4 Astromech + Concussion Bombs
General Grievous Belbullab-22 Starghter (52)
Crack Shot + Soulless One
Captain Sear Belbullab-22 Starghter (56)
Kraken
Trade Federation Drone Vulture-class Droid Fighter (25)
Discord Missiles + Grappling Struts
Trade Federation Drone Vulture-class Droid Fighter (25)
Discord Missiles + Grappling Struts
Trade Federation Drone Vulture-class Droid Fighter (21)
Grappling Struts
Trade Federation Drone Vulture-class Droid Fighter (21)
Grappling Struts
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
AP-5 Sheathipede-class Shuttle (32)
Bossk YV-666 Light Freighter (71)
Crack Shot + 4-LOM + Zuckuss + Greedo + Deadman's Switch + Electronic Bae
Boba Fett Firespray-class Patrol Craft (128)
Lone Wolf + Perceptive Copilot + Proximity Mines + Contraband Cybernetics + Hull Upgrade + Marauder + Han Solo
Omicron Group Pilot Lambda-class T-4a Shuttle (52)
Admiral Sloane
Academy Pilot TIE/ln Fighter (22)
Academy Pilot TIE/ln Fighter (22)
Academy Pilot TIE/ln Fighter (22)
Academy Pilot TIE/ln Fighter (22)
"Wampa" TIE/ln Fighter (29)
Alpha Squadron Pilot TIE/in Interceptor (31)
Commander Malarus Xi-class Light Shuttle (49)
Agent Terex
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Epsilon Squadron Cadet TIE/fo Fighter (25)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
Kashyyyk Defender Auzituck Gunship (42)
AP-5 Sheathipede-class Shuttle (32)
"Holo" TIE/ba Interceptor (55)
Proud Tradition
Sienar-Jaemus Engineer TIE/vn Silencer (48)
Sienar-Jaemus Engineer TIE/vn Silencer (48)
Sienar-Jaemus Engineer TIE/vn Silencer (48)
Wedge Antilles T-65 X-wing (55)
Servomotor S-foils
Hera Syndulla VCX-100 Light Freighter (85)
Intimidation + "Zeb" Orrelios + Saw Gerrera
Jan Ors HWK-290 Light Freighter (59)
Moldy Crow
Wedge Antilles T-65 X-wing (57)
Crack Shot + Servomotor S-foils
Ten Numb A/SF-01 B-wing (56)
Marksmanship + Fire-Control System + Autoblasters + Stabilized S-foils
Lieutenant Blount Z-95-AF4 Headhunter (32)
Crack Shot
Bandit Squadron Pilot Z-95-AF4 Headhunter (22)
AP-5 Sheathipede-class Shuttle (32)
Vennie MG-100 StarFortress (99)
Trajectory Simulator + Pattern Analyzer + Perceptive Copilot + Veteran Turret Gunner + Paige Tico + Proton Bombs + Seismic Charges + Shield
Upgrade
Rey Scavenged YT-1300 (101)
Rose Tico + Korr Sella + Finn + Contraband Cybernetics + Shield Upgrade + Rey's Millennium Falcon

 

  Pastrami 6 Nantex
% of Field 5% 4%
Lists 13 10
Win % 71% 70%
Wins 46 37
Games 65 53
Top 32 7 6
32 Rate 54% 60%

25% Wook Cut Rate
27% Rey Cut Rate
17% Wedge Cut Rate ( Hi Wedge )

Edited by Boom Owl

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