Dashing Poetensity for Store Championship

[BlodVargarna 4,041]

This is the list I've been practicing with for a Store Championship this Saturday. 

I've been really pleased with how it plays and succeeded against a few different lists. It definitely struggled against Kanan/Biggs.

I am thinking about switching out scavenger crane. Against a 2 ship list it does not seem useful. Countermeasures stays. It's been invaluable in keeping Dash alive when I've needed it in clutch situations. 

Im not sure which illicit upgrade to take its place. Maybe I use burn out slam to get Dash out of a tight situation? That would leave a point for a Tac Jammer to help Poe. Otherwise maybe EMP device to zap people at R1?

Dashing Poetensity (100)

Poe Dameron (41) - T-70 X-Wing
Intensity (2), BB-8 (2), Primed Thrusters (1), Black One (1), Autothrusters (2)

Dash Rendar (59) - YT-2400
Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Kanan Jarrus (3), Outrider (5), Smuggling Compartment (0), Scavenger Crane (2), Countermeasures (3)

[the1hodgy 665]

Feedback array? That would at least give you a deterrent about been in Dash's Donut hole. 

[Magnus Grendel 11,679]

13 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Im not sure which illicit upgrade to take its place. Maybe I use burn out slam to get Dash out of a tight situation? That would leave a point for a Tac Jammer to help Poe. Otherwise maybe EMP device to zap people at R1?

Dash dies, generally, when he gets cornered.

Burnout SLAM helps you to not be cornered.

 

[ArbitraryNerd 1,009]

You could always cut back to OG Super Dash's Engine Upgrade, which saves you a point and now gives you a tiny initiative bid, which, when it matters, will be pretty huge for that Poe.

 

EDIT: Since my second SF won't arrive in time, I'm considering Poetensity myself, and Super Dash is my main consideration for partner. I must be too old school, though, because I get hives whenever I see something outside of the 58 Super Dash ft Kanan combo. That being said, it's clear that there are more modern versions of Dash, as the Lone Wolf ft. Rey variant has been doing well... so take this Imperial players thoughts with a grain of salt. If I WAS going to concede to a different build, it'd probably be for Burnout SLAM -- if you're trying to get out of dodge even with OG Dash, you're not really spending time getting the needed offensive mods, so NOT shooting and getting out of there faster is likely a good idea.

Edited July 19, 2017 by ArbitraryNerd

[BlodVargarna 4,041]

12 minutes ago, the1hodgy said:

Feedback array? That would at least give you a deterrent about been in Dash's Donut hole. 

I thought about that but I don't like that it is an action. This build wants to see Dash doing a barrel roll and a target lock or a target lock and a focus every round. 

Also there is no way to inflict stress with this list, so it's really situational. 

[gennataos 5,873]

1 hour ago, BlodVargarna said:

This is the list I've been practicing with for a Store Championship this Saturday. 

I've been really pleased with how it plays and succeeded against a few different lists. It definitely struggled against Kanan/Biggs.

I am thinking about switching out scavenger crane. Against a 2 ship list it does not seem useful. Countermeasures stays. It's been invaluable in keeping Dash alive when I've needed it in clutch situations. 

Im not sure which illicit upgrade to take its place. Maybe I use burn out slam to get Dash out of a tight situation? That would leave a point for a Tac Jammer to help Poe. Otherwise maybe EMP device to zap people at R1?

Dashing Poetensity (100)

Poe Dameron (41) - T-70 X-Wing
Intensity (2), BB-8 (2), Primed Thrusters (1), Black One (1), Autothrusters (2)

Dash Rendar (59) - YT-2400
Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Kanan Jarrus (3), Outrider (5), Smuggling Compartment (0), Scavenger Crane (2), Countermeasures (3)

Glitterstim?

[Biggsy_boy 163]

Run the lone wolf/Rey version of Dash.  That would give you an initiative bid.  Poe needs to move last for the title to work.  And you want the title to work.  I ran it last night and watched him slide off target locks all game.  At a certain point, your opponent just stops trying to lock you.  It make your game much easier.

[BlodVargarna 4,041]

13 minutes ago, Biggsy_boy said:

Run the lone wolf/Rey version of Dash.  That would give you an initiative bid.  Poe needs to move last for the title to work.  And you want the title to work.  I ran it last night and watched him slide off target locks all game.  At a certain point, your opponent just stops trying to lock you.  It make your game much easier.

So instead of PTL and Kanan you use Rey and Lone Wolf?

 

[ArbitraryNerd 1,009]

9 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

So instead of PTL and Kanan you use Rey and Lone Wolf?

 

That is the modern take on Dash.

Still personally breaking out in hives, but it does well in our meta, when played by experienced players. And our local meta is very competitive and closely follows the pulse of the meta at large.

[BlodVargarna 4,041]

This requires a very slow roll to bank 2-3 focus. I find that Dash is going to barrel roll 90% of the time, and despite what SOME people say, I have zero problems checking for target lock before and/or after that barrel roll (within a reasonable chance of getting a TL). 

Maybe that TL check is a crutch, but it's invaluable to keeping Dash at R3 where he's best. 

But I'll play test the Rey LW build. I like the idea of re-rolls.

[Biggsy_boy 163]

Just now, BlodVargarna said:

So instead of PTL and Kanan you use Rey and Lone Wolf?

 

Yeah.  Reviews on that are mixed because of lone wolf.  You have to be away from your other ship.  But it works well.  And lone wolf is defensive too.  You just have to slow roll at the beginning so Dash can stock some tokens.  Or run from your opponent. 

My Poe build actually uses comm relay instead of prime thrusters, BTW, and I'm very happy with that.  He tanked like a boss.  The only damage Poe took in the game was with an autoblaster turret, and it was PS10 Nym, there was nothing I could do about it anyway.

[FTS Gecko 24,137]

1 hour ago, BlodVargarna said:

I thought about that but I don't like that it is an action. This build wants to see Dash doing a barrel roll and a target lock or a target lock and a focus every round. 

Also there is no way to inflict stress with this list, so it's really situational. 

Feedback Array, not BMST.  Feedback replaces an attack at range one, which Dash wouldn't have anyway!

[BlodVargarna 4,041]

Just now, FTS Gecko said:

Feedback Array, not BMST.  Feedback replaces an attack at range one, which Dash wouldn't have anyway!

Reading is fundamental (apparently). Feedback Array seems like that it might be ok to put a damage on someone (like someone you are bumping) the ion is no big deal, but trading 1 for 1... hmmmm.

[Rinzler in a Tie 1,892]

You could just run the Mynock build, Plot Armor, featured in yesterday's podcast....

Poe Dameron (PS9 Version) (45)
T-70 X-Wing (33), Black One (1), R2-D2 (4), Comm Relay (3), Intensity (2), Autothrusters (2)

Dash Rendar (52)
YT-2400 Freighter (36), Lone Wolf (2), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Rey (2), Outrider (5), Smuggling Compartment (0)

----- 97 points ----- 

Your choice of Illicit, up to 3 points. Farmer played it with Rigged Cargo Shoot for a 2 point bid. 

[Zucch10 89]

I've been playing with a similar idea, but bring them both up to PS 9 and use engine upgrade along with Rey.  Huge bid to let you move last, and without lone wolf you can make perfect use of potensity to guarantee you won't have any target locks on you or dash if you keep them together.  Then your just choosing between barrel roll or upgrade as the preferred action after banking a few focus.

 (96)

Poe Dameron (41) - T-70 X-Wing
Intensity (2), BB-8 (2), Primed Thrusters (1), Black One (1), Autothrusters (2)

Dash Rendar (55) - YT-2400
Veteran Instincts (1), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Rey (2), Outrider (5), Engine Upgrade (4)

[Biggsy_boy 163]

13 minutes ago, Zucch10 said:

I've been playing with a similar idea, but bring them both up to PS 9 and use engine upgrade along with Rey.  Huge bid to let you move last, and without lone wolf you can make perfect use of potensity to guarantee you won't have any target locks on you or dash if you keep them together.  Then your just choosing between barrel roll or upgrade as the preferred action after banking a few focus.

 (96)

Poe Dameron (41) - T-70 X-Wing
Intensity (2), BB-8 (2), Primed Thrusters (1), Black One (1), Autothrusters (2)

Dash Rendar (55) - YT-2400
Veteran Instincts (1), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Rey (2), Outrider (5), Engine Upgrade (4)

Or Target Lock.  You don't have any options for re-rolls on this build with Dash.

[BlodVargarna 4,041]

With Dash the first action I want to do with him is Target Lock. If I'm out of range of Lock, I can barrel roll in. If I'm too close I can barrel roll out. If I'm just right, I can then focus.

I'm very relectant to give up PTL/ Kanan. I'd rather just drop the smuggling compartment and have a 2 point bid, or a 1 point bid and burn out SLAM. 

I'm definitely going to test Lone Wolf Rey Dash to see if I like it. 

Edited July 19, 2017 by BlodVargarna

[gennataos 5,873]

35 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

With Dash the first action I want to do with him is Target Lock. If I'm out of range of Lock, I can barrel roll in. If I'm too close I can barrel roll out. If I'm just right, I can then focus.

I'm very relectant to give up PTL/ Kanan. I'd rather just drop the smuggling compartment and have a 2 point bid, or a 1 point bid and burn out SLAM. 

I'm definitely going to test Lone Wolf Rey Dash to see if I like it. 

Lone wolf/Rey Dash is great, trust us.  He's a staple of the Miranda/Dash builds.  Dash is going to be less dodgy, but he can put in some good work built like that.

 

1 hour ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

You could just run the Mynock build, Plot Armor, featured in yesterday's podcast....

Poe Dameron (PS9 Version) (45)
T-70 X-Wing (33), Black One (1), R2-D2 (4), Comm Relay (3), Intensity (2), Autothrusters (2)

Dash Rendar (52)
YT-2400 Freighter (36), Lone Wolf (2), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Rey (2), Outrider (5), Smuggling Compartment (0)

----- 97 points ----- 

Your choice of Illicit, up to 3 points. Farmer played it with Rigged Cargo Shoot for a 2 point bid. 

I've been looking into Dash/Poe pairings while trying to make Intensity Poe work.  I'm super intrigued.

[BlodVargarna 4,041]

That Poe seems tanky as all get out but SLOW. 

[gennataos 5,873]

7 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

That Poe seems tanky as all get out but SLOW. 

Yeah, I'm in love with BB-8 Poe.  I've not listened to this week's Mynock podcast yet, so I'll be really curious how it worked out.  I like the idea, though.

[Biggsy_boy 163]

23 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Yeah, I'm in love with BB-8 Poe.  I've not listened to this week's Mynock podcast yet, so I'll be really curious how it worked out.  I like the idea, though.

Agreed, but I can see the use of regen on it.  You have an evade, plus healing and autothrusters.  And can't forget the title.  This build is really hard to kill, and if you let him get away, Poe runs, heals, and comes back ready to fight again.

[ArbitraryNerd 1,009]

19 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Yeah, I'm in love with BB-8 Poe.  I've not listened to this week's Mynock podcast yet, so I'll be really curious how it worked out.  I like the idea, though.

Artoo build sounds kinda like junk, compared to BB-8.

You're still restricted to greens, if you're going to regen, but now you're final location is far more predictable, as your only adjustment is a boost after you've moved.

And BB-8 Poe still feels like he's got regen to a minor degree, just by picking up Evades alongside his Focus. More so if you have Comm Relay, though Primed Thrusters let's Poe really fly.

Artoo and Intensity seems like it misses the point of Intensity. It's less susceptible to stress mechanics, which is pretty solid. But you lose out on ever getting TLs, which means Poe's offense is strangled... And you're not getting Evades, so his defense is also strangled.

I'll have to listen to the 'cast and see what where their thoughts were going. Especially since they paired it with a Dash that's more or less leaving Poe on his own by design...

[ArbitraryNerd 1,009]

2 minutes ago, Biggsy_boy said:

Agreed, but I can see the use of regen on it.  You have an evade, plus healing and autothrusters.  And can't forget the title.  This build is really hard to kill, and if you let him get away, Poe runs, heals, and comes back ready to fight again.

If you're taking the Evade, how are you getting the Focus for Poe's ability?

His only action combo here is post maneuver, meaning he's only getting the one token after a boost, and Focus > Evade on Poe.

And the title is crazy good with BB-8, because you can shed two target locks, as opposed to the one.

[NoShieldsAllGuts 106]

Lone Wolf on Dash and Regen Poe. Both of these amount to about 5-6 extra health over the course of the game, up to 10 if your luck is good.

Edited July 19, 2017 by NoShieldsAllGuts

[Biggsy_boy 163]

29 minutes ago, ArbitraryNerd said:

If you're taking the Evade, how are you getting the Focus for Poe's ability?

His only action combo here is post maneuver, meaning he's only getting the one token after a boost, and Focus > Evade on Poe.

And the title is crazy good with BB-8, because you can shed two target locks, as opposed to the one.

Intensity.  Comm relay lets you carry the evade with you.  You can evade the first turn with intensity.  Than 2nd turn you can focus

Keep in mind, I'm not saying the R2-D2 build is better.  I personally like the bb-8 build.  I'm just saying I can see the usefulness of it  Rebel regen.