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[Democratus 1,698]

It's just local Earth meta. 

It doesn't take into account all the other Armada players in the galaxy (much  less the tri-galactic area). I hear in the Greater Magellanic Garm is dominating.

[geek19 6,557]

Just now, Democratus said:

It's just local Earth meta. 

It doesn't take into account all the other Armada players in the galaxy (much  less the tri-galactic area). I hear in the Greater Magellanic Garm is dominating.

That's just because @shmitty is warping the meta.

[Card Knight 368]

So if you have people from all over the US, Canada, and some from Europe coming to Minnesota for the World Championship, including National Champions, etc... its the Minnesota meta? Do you have Armada popularity density to show that even though people came from all around the US, Euros is a better example of a meta? 

How do you know and justify that Euro's wasn't just YOUR meta, or the Euro meta?

Ticketing for worlds is open, and people from all around the world are welcome to try and get tickets like everyone else. It may just be more expensive for someone from Europe to get to Minnesota than it is for someone from Texas to get there. 

[xerpo 177]

4 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Sure, call it whatever you want, but it's not just Minnesota. When the best players in the tournament almost ALL showed up with Rieekan Aces, that's a sign something is wrong with the Admiral and he's too good.

So, has he won anything else but the so named worlds or was it just a transitory hysteria. Is the nerf justified?

Before you reply, I remember you that he barely showed up to the Europeans.

[xerpo 177]

1 minute ago, Card Knight said:

How do you know and justify that Euro's wasn't just YOUR meta, or the Euro meta?

Mate, that exactly what I'm saying, dont blind yourself. Im saying that these are SEPARATE metas and one should not suffer the nerfs on OP things spotted in the OTHER. You cannot call WORLDs to a tournament that has 90% representation of one single country.

[ImpStarDeuces 526]

Just now, xerpo said:

Mate, that exactly what I'm saying, dont blind yourself. Im saying that these are SEPARATE metas and one should not suffer the nerfs on OP things spotted in the OTHER. You cannot call WORLDs to a tournament that has 90% representation of one single country.

By that logic erratas should never happen unless somehow we have 100% reporting from all over the world that something is broken. I get it, I know it sucks that something you might like was messed with but FFG had to make the call. In this case, that's generally defined by markets and the US market is a big thing.

On the brighter side, there is nothing stopping you from playing rules as written on the cards as long as you find an opponent who is ok with it. Get your own "legacy" meta going.

[xerpo 177]

1 minute ago, ImpStarDeuces said:

By that logic erratas should never happen unless somehow we have 100% reporting from all over the world that something is broken. I get it, I know it sucks that something you might like was messed with but FFG had to make the call. In this case, that's generally defined by markets and the US market is a big thing.

On the brighter side, there is nothing stopping you from playing rules as written on the cards as long as you find an opponent who is ok with it. Get your own "legacy" meta going.

I know its beyond me to fix that. Waaaay beyond me. But that dosent make me change my opinion about it and post in consequence regarding this opinion.

Next time maybe more relaxed, I get it.

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

10 minutes ago, xerpo said:

You cannot call WORLDs to a tournament that has 90% representation of one single country.

[JINGOISM INTENSIFIES]

I mean, you say that, but we did....

'cause... America... Freedom.... and...Guns and stuff...






All jokes aside, I've seen rieekan aceholes lists both at local and store champ levels in the last 2 months... from as far out as Ohio... so it's not, at the very least, just Minnesota's meta.

 

Edited June 21, 2017 by Darth Sanguis

[geek19 6,557]

2 minutes ago, xerpo said:

So, has he won anything else but the so named worlds or was it just a transitory hysteria. Is the nerf justified?

Before you reply, I remember you that he barely showed up to the Europeans.

If FFG made a nerf, it's something they were thinking about for a while. He's not an automatic include now, and his power still takes some thinking to do. He's a more interesting commander now as you need to think about HOW you want to use him.

This isn't something that FFG thought up 2 weeks ago. With playtesting and development, I wouldn't be surprised if this took a year or so. If you're saying that this isn't happening in your meta and isn't worth concerning yourself with, how do you know that it ISN'T a problem in multiple other metas?

Someone get Blail here, let him talk about how squadrons have ruined the game forever or whatever his argument is instead of me having to make it for him.

 

[xerpo 177]

1 minute ago, Darth Sanguis said:

All jokes aside, I've seen rieekan aceholes lists both at local and store champ levels in the last 2 months... from as far out as Ohio... so it's not, at the very least, just Minnesota's meta.

But but but, Rieekan has been active since wave 2... thats 2 years ago. You say you've seen it from the last 2 months on... I'm seeing the transitory hysteria theory with new eyes now.

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

Just now, xerpo said:

But but but, Rieekan has been active since wave 2... thats 2 years ago. You say you've seen it from the last 2 months on... I'm seeing the transitory hysteria theory with new eyes now.

I say 2 months because that's when I started competing, that's as far back as my experience can attest, at a casual level we never saw rieekan, but my store has a passionate hate for squads... ace or otherwise...

[n00bzilla99 40]

36 minutes ago, xerpo said:

So, hello friend, please read above. Rieekan is meta THERE, not ANYWHERE else. And because THEIR crys in a single tournament (no notices of Rieekan winning anything else, Rhymer has won here way more stores and regionals) the WHOLE world gets a nerf on Rieekan, in places that we thought it was just fun.

You must not play outside of your local area or something.  Cause whenever I travel, Rieekan was the go to commander for rebels.  And I'm pretty sure that last year's World Championship (it really is, people travel from all over to go play there) was also dominated by Rieekan.  Even all the local rebel players here stopped playing him because he was getting too out of hand with all the aces (when you can design a list where nothing dies until your turn is over, something is wrong).

You are again pitching your opinion as facts, whereas, by all accounts more people on the forums here (and not all of them were / are worlds players) thought that Rieekan was far more OP than Rhymer or Demolisher.

[xerpo 177]

2 minutes ago, geek19 said:

This isn't something that FFG thought up 2 weeks ago. With playtesting and development, I wouldn't be surprised if this took a year or so. If you're saying that this isn't happening in your meta and isn't worth concerning yourself with, how do you know that it ISN'T a problem in multiple other metas?

Well I dont really care about that because I'm not trying to nerf every part of the game, so I'm not threatening any meta that I dont know about!

[n00bzilla99 40]

2 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Well I dont really care about that because I'm not trying to nerf every part of the game, so I'm not threatening any meta that I dont know about!

Just because your meta doesn't spam / use Rieekan doesn't mean the other 99% of metas don't.  You cannot claim something is true for everyone else based on your own personal experience.

Edited June 21, 2017 by n00bzilla99

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

12 minutes ago, geek19 said:

This isn't something that FFG thought up 2 weeks ago. With playtesting and development, I wouldn't be surprised if this took a year or so.

It took me a while to wrap my head around this. I was looking for some bathroom reading one morning (I had left my phone in the kitchen) and ended up reading the back slip to the Arquitten expansion I found lying by the trash bin...

There was a HUGE list of people involved in play testing.... It got me to realize when they release stuff.... they've tested and played it to death. They know what they're doing. 

Edited June 21, 2017 by Darth Sanguis

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

I love how all they do are minor changes. 

[Eggzavier 1,689]

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Because of all the anti-squadron rhetoric I'm spewing or because of all the picture of ants spiders and scorpions? lol 

Yes.

[draco193 491]

8 minutes ago, xerpo said:

But but but, Rieekan has been active since wave 2... thats 2 years ago. You say you've seen it from the last 2 months on... I'm seeing the transitory hysteria theory with new eyes now.

I think the change came with the release of the new CC unique squads, and the new fighter packs. Together it jumped from 9 unique squads to 25. And lots of them we're really good on their own. Rieekan now had huge synergy. 

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

1 minute ago, draco193 said:

I think the change came with the release of the new CC unique squads, and the new fighter packs. Together it jumped from 9 unique squads to 25. And lots of them we're really good on their own. Rieekan now had huge synergy. 

Considering how cheap and effective unnamed aces like dagger and gold squadron are, and how we saw them in a lot of rieekan lists, I'd say you're probably right.... CC aces may have been what turned it from a "pretty decent" fleet type to "wold" champ.

[xerpo 177]

Just now, draco193 said:

I think the change came with the release of the new CC unique squads, and the new fighter packs. Together it jumped from 9 unique squads to 25. And lots of them we're really good on their own. Rieekan now had huge synergy. 

Well if thats the way to go of FFG prepare the nerf bat on Kallus and Quasar, in example. Spiting black dices to squadrons at long distance... 

I am against any kind of nerf, I think if they realesed that players should adapt to the game. Where is the fun then?

[geek19 6,557]

9 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Well if thats the way to go of FFG prepare the nerf bat on Kallus and Quasar, in example. Spiting black dices to squadrons at long distance... 

I am against any kind of nerf, I think if they realesed that players should adapt to the game. Where is the fun then?

If they don't adjust the game, the "broken" cards just get worse and worse until that's all anyone is playing competitively. Take a look at Netrunner and look at datasuckers and Noise. THAT'S how you destroy a game, by not nerfing or reducing the power of cards.

Edited June 21, 2017 by geek19
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[draco193 491]

1 minute ago, xerpo said:

Well if thats the way to go of FFG prepare the nerf bat on Kallus and Quasar, in example. Spiting black dices to squadrons at long distance...

I'm actually thinking this is a design they intended. It continues to help balance squadron vs ship play.

 

4 minutes ago, xerpo said:

I am against any kind of nerf, I think if they realesed that players should adapt to the game. Where is the fun then?

I think it's necessary sometimes to errata cards. It helps to prevent from having to just keep increasing the power curve in a game when a combination just becomes too defining. It also opens up the design space.  

[Eggzavier 1,689]

If Imps put Kallus on a Q, that means they're not putting Chirpy on a Q.

That's alright by me.

[Madaghmire 7,274]

2 minutes ago, draco193 said:

I'm actually thinking this is a design they intended. It continues to help balance squadron vs ship play.

 

I think it's necessary sometimes to errata cards. It helps to prevent from having to just keep increasing the power curve in a game when a combination just becomes too defining. It also opens up the design space.  

This.

[Darth Sanguis 6,324]

I don't know why this errata is all that surprising to anyone.... didn't X-wing get their 1st errata late into wave 5 too? 

Once you expand as much as they have with Armada it makes sense they'd have to recalibrate parts of the game...