{Mafia} Killagain's Planet

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

@ovinomanc3rit is up to you now.  I know 100% that you are a loyal crew member. (I really thought you were the traitor. Because Visovics had only voted to hammer Biggs, and I had tracked GoNIPs before)

I know I'm loyal. (  of course, I am. I'm the Captain!)

The remaining traitor is either @Visovicsor @GhostofNobodyInParticular.

 

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

CNinja was in fact hammer on Biggs and Onidsen.

Ghost was the real hammer on Norell but Truthiness forced that.

All three needed the watcher dead to perform the night trick without problems. However, Visovics didn't vote Norell. On the other hand he could just try to kill CNinja and that would explain Ghost result. 

Ghost doing the night trick would be odd. What would happened if CNinja tracks Visovics or me instead?

At this point I trust Ghost more than anyone else.

CNinja's votes are more suspicious than Visovics ones.

IMHO 

Ghost more townie by far. Visovics a bit more townie than CNinja.  

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

17 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

You mean us vanillas? Well yeah, but we don't have a power, so we have an excuse. When you use a power and never actually bring anything useful back - like perhaps tracking the claimed watcher to see if he actually watches, the claimed doc to see if he actually docs, the most likely target for the next day (Onidsen), then you're doing your job wrong.

I meant our team roles.

The watcher watched nothing and it seems our doc didn't save anyone. 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

CNinja was in fact hammer on Biggs and Onidsen.

Ghost was the real hammer on Norell but Truthiness forced that.

All three needed the watcher dead to perform the night trick without problems. However, Visovics didn't vote Norell. On the other hand he could just try to kill CNinja and that would explain Ghost result. 

Ghost doing the night trick would be odd. What would happened if CNinja tracks Visovics or me instead?

At this point I trust Ghost more than anyone else.

CNinja's votes are more suspicious than Visovics ones.

IMHO 

Ghost more townie by far. Visovics a bit more townie than CNinja.  

Well that's game then.

Preemptive congrats to the traitors.

I will try to look for ANY evidence against the others, but it seems like the Traitors have already won.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

My only last thing is this...

It is a lot more likely that one of the others is a traitor than...

I somehow got lucky as **** that Truth protected me when they tried to kill me. I promise you I'm not that good.

As a traitor somehow I ALWAYS would be the last to vote.  (Isn't that weird?)

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

I will take my own advice, and think that it would be just as weird that GoNIPs happened to pull his punch as Truthiness protected me.

##Vote Visovics.

I will be redeemed in the afterlife.

 

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

My only last thing is this...

It is a lot more likely that one of the others is a traitor than...

I somehow got lucky as **** that Truth protected me when they tried to kill me. I promise you I'm not that good.

As a traitor somehow I ALWAYS would be the last to vote.  (Isn't that weird?)

Maybe I misunderstood you but that is exactly the point!

Is more likely that you were not attacked. So ghost would be lucky as **** to get you track him when he skip the kill. 

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Maybe I misunderstood you but that is exactly the point!

Is more likely that you were not attacked. So ghost would be lucky as **** to get you track him when he skip the kill. 

Yeah exactly why I'm pretty sure that Vis is the traitor.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

3 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Yeah exactly why I'm pretty sure that Vis is the traitor.

But if you were not attacked who gained more? You and Truthiness. He was townie. I mean, I didn't know about skipping the kill at night was even possible, but it doesn't seem a way to incriminate an innocent rather that the perfect cover for a bad guy.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

@GhostofNobodyInParticular stop liking and say something. 

I am about CNinja. What are your thoughts? Do we throw a coin??

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

But if you were not attacked who gained more? You and Truthiness. He was townie. I mean, I didn't know about skipping the kill at night was even possible, but it doesn't seem a way to incriminate an innocent rather that the perfect cover for a bad guy.

Yeah Truthiness didn't think they would skip it.  He believed in me.  I miss Stu Backatcha. I promise I din't kill him.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

Or do we wait until CNinja find a good proof/excuse against Visovics?

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

I will forgive you.

Hanz Yolo will caress your cheek as I lose my life-force...

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

Just now, CaribbeanNinja said:

Yeah Truthiness didn't think they would skip it.  He believed in me.  I miss Stu Backatcha. I promise I din't kill him.

Hmmm that is true. 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

I already said, I'm really suspicious of him. I don't however know if I am convinced enough to vote. My likes are there to indicate that I agree with you - i.e. that what you said is partly what I thought, and that thus there is nothing further to add to that point. When I think of something unsaid, I shall post it.

Game-ending votes always suck, just reference my previous nearly 48 hour long dither over whether or not to lynch Vis.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Or do we wait until CNinja find a good proof/excuse against Visovics?

I'm not going to find a good excuse.  Visovics played an amazing game, or GNIPs played the game of ALL games.

I would rather you guys just lynch me like Onidsen.

 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Hmmm that is true. 

Yeah, but what traitor wouldn't point out that they had successfully duped the doc into protecting the traitor the entire game? What better way to remove the doc from effective play? Killing him means you have no excuse for remaining alive. . .

Gah @Visovics, you are my bane! 

 

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

We're back to randomly guessing. Do we trust the last-claimed third cop, or do we trust a vanilla townie?

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

We voted every time the most suspicious player and we fail.

And I am remembering that Visovics didn't contribute too much while we was discussing between Truth or Onidsen. Maybe cause he didn't care about it?

Man that is hard.

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

Remember, if we trust CNinja, then we had:

2 scum (Biggs, Visovics)
4 power roles (Truth, CNinja, Norell, JJ)
3 vanilla (Me, You, Oni)

If we trust Vis:

2 scum (Biggs, CNinja)
3 power roles (Truth, Norell, JJ)
4 vanilla (Me, You, Vis)

. . . 4 power roles for 2 scum in a 9 player game seems excessive, especially when 3 of them were some variation of a cop. Even when we were 11 we had only 2 cop-like characters, and no medic. When we were 13 we had 3 cops and 3 scum.

Never have we even had 4 power roles 3 scum in a much bigger game! It seems odd that we would have a 2:1 power role:scum ratio with so few players.

I'm looking into ratios/common balances now.

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

We voted every time the most suspicious player and we fail.

And I am remembering that Visovics didn't contribute too much while we was discussing between Truth or Onidsen. Maybe cause he didn't care about it?

Man that is hard.

Actually he "defended" Onidsen. What meant Truth or CNinja to be lynched. If he gets CNinja lynched he could win. 

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Remember, if we trust CNinja, then we had:

2 scum (Biggs, Visovics)
4 power roles (Truth, CNinja, Norell, JJ)
3 vanilla (Me, You, Oni)

If we trust Vis:

2 scum (Biggs, CNinja)
3 power roles (Truth, Norell, JJ)
4 vanilla (Me, You, Vis)

. . . 4 power roles for 2 scum in a 9 player game seems excessive, especially when 3 of them were some variation of a cop. Even when we were 11 we had only 2 cop-like characters, and no medic. When we were 13 we had 3 cops and 3 scum.

Never have we even had 4 power roles 3 scum in a much bigger game! It seems odd that we would have a 2:1 power role:scum ratio with so few players.

I'm looking into ratios/common balances now.

That is enough. 4 roles seems impossible. 

## vote CNinja

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

That is enough. 4 roles seems impossible. 

## vote CNinja

::sigh::

Fine. If it's you, ovinomanc3r, you are a genius. If it is Visovics, well played, good sir, twice in a row! If it's you, CNinja, then 1) Good job! 2) Yay!

##vote CNinja

@Visovics, you have the 'honor' of the hammer.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]