Hasn't the X-Wing Already Been Fixed?

[kempokid 868]

I know there is a lot of discussion about "fixing" the X-Wing, but hasn't it already been fixed? Isn't that why the T-70 was produced by the Resistance? It's a better version of the X-Wing. Just like the TIE f/o is a better version of the standard TIE. The T-70 has excellent action economy choice of available actions, better stats, great pilot abilities, and not that more expensive given the added shield.

I'm not trying to step on toes or anything, but to me, the problem with the X-Wing's competitiveness has already been fixed: a new, shinier (or black & orange) model.

If the frustration is with not having a competitive way to fly with iconic pilots like Luke and Wedge, that's a different discussion altogether. But to me that fits the whole story of the Star Wars universe. Those guys are the legendary, almost archaic figures that paved the way for pilots like Poe. Or, if you believe every model in the game should have a level of competitiveness to it, I can understand that as well. But remember that a pilot from the original core set is still one of the most popular and used pilots in Worlds.

I don't know the background or history of these ships like some of you do, though, so any comments or feedback is welcome.

Edited May 31, 2017 by jwilliamson12
based on comment below

[heychadwick 11,354]

There have been a number of people that have been flying T-65's and T-70's lately and having a lot of good results with them.  I think someone mentioned that they flew 4 x X-wings in a Store Champ and won it.  The meta has been shifting and often people don't bother to try old things out.  Personally, I think T-65's are in a better spot than they used to be.   

[Mef82 366]

What's this T-70 Action economy that you speak of? There's literally one named pilot that actually gets a free action. Did you mean the CHOICE of available Actions? Because it's still just 1 above the pathetic Rebel staple of TL or Focus. 

Edited May 31, 2017 by Mef82

[Johen Dood 434]

6 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

I know there is a lot of discussion about "fixing" the X-Wing, but hasn't it already been fixed? Isn't that why the T-70 was produced by the Resistance? It's a better version of the X-Wing. Just like the TIE f/o is a better version of the standard TIE. The T-70 has excellent action economy, better stats, great pilot abilities, and not that more expensive given the added shield.

I'm not trying to step on toes or anything, but to me, the problem with the X-Wing's competitiveness has already been fixed: a new, shinier (or black & orange) model.

Yeah! Doesn't everyone know that only Scum gets competitiveness  fixes! How dare the Rebels want to play iconic ships in tournament settings? No sir, that just won't do- too many Scum expansions for FFG to worry about Rebel enjoyment of the game. Don't you know what game this is? It's SCUMWING!

[kempokid 868]

1 minute ago, heychadwick said:

There have been a number of people that have been flying T-65's and T-70's lately and having a lot of good results with them.  I think someone mentioned that they flew 4 x X-wings in a Store Champ and won it.  The meta has been shifting and often people don't bother to try old things out.  Personally, I think T-65's are in a better spot than they used to be.   

There are definitely some elite talents that have been released to make a big difference. I think Garven and Biggs with R5-P9 and a Jan crew on the board could be viable.

[Stevey86 1,347]

14 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

It's a better version of the X-Wing. Just like the TIE f/o is a better version of the standard TIE.

And yet TIE swarms are still a thing.

14 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

But remember that a pilot from the original core set is still one of the most popular and used pilots in Worlds.

As a crutch out of necessity because every Rebel ship has been designed around the fact that Biggs exists.

14 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

If the frustration is with not having a competitive way to fly with iconic pilots like Luke and Wedge... ...if you believe every model in the game should have a level of competitiveness to it, I can understand that as well

It's not so much about competitiveness, it's about having a role to fill. It pops too easy to be a jouster (thanks power creep). It can't arc dodge. Too expensive for filler.

Now in contrast, look at it's Scum equivalent. The Kihraxz is getting the ability to be customised into pretty much any role you want it to be.

This is what the X-Wing needs, either for FFG to pick a role for it and give it just a little something to make it viable in that role, or to give it the ability to be customised into one of choice.

Personally I'd just be happy if they errata'd IA to be able to take a 2nd mod. 4 Rookies with R2, Plasma Torps IA and Chips? Yes please.
Or the aces can have Engine/Vectored and IA. And I'm sure the T-70s wouldn't mind IA and Autothrusters. It's a "fix" that works across the board.

 

Edit: It could do with IA being -1 point as well. That or a 0 point astro.

Edited May 31, 2017 by Stevey86

[kempokid 868]

3 minutes ago, Mef82 said:

What's this T-70 Action economy that you speak of? There's literally one named pilot that actually gets a free action. Did you mean the CHOICE of available Actions? Because it's still just 1 above the pathetic Rebel staple of TL or Focus. 

Choice of available actions would be a better way to put it, yes.

[kempokid 868]

5 minutes ago, Johen Dood said:

Yeah! Doesn't everyone know that only Scum gets competitiveness  fixes! How dare the Rebels want to play iconic ships in tournament settings? No sir, that just won't do- too many Scum expansions for FFG to worry about Rebel enjoyment of the game. Don't you know what game this is? It's SCUMWING!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

[Johen Dood 434]

1 minute ago, jwilliamson12 said:

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

That quote, by Oscar Wilde, would read in entirety: "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence."

[kempokid 868]

8 minutes ago, Stevey86 said:

Personally I'd just be happy if they errata'd IA to be able to take a 2nd mod. 4 Rookies with R2, Plasma Torps IA and Chips? Yes please.

I like this idea of a fix as well. The modification slot is a key part of any ship's build. You should be able to dump your droid and have an engine upgrade at the same time (just as an example). That's a fair fix.

[kempokid 868]

Just now, Johen Dood said:

That quote, by Oscar Wilde, would read in entirety: "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence."

You know Wilde! Good. So you're smart but not funny.

[Stoneface 3,735]

12 minutes ago, Stevey86 said:

And yet TIE swarms are still a thing.

As a crutch out of necessity because every Rebel ship has been designed around the fact that Biggs exists.

It's not so much about competitiveness, it's about having a role to fill. It pops to easy to be a jouster (thanks power creep). It can't arc dodge. Too expensive for filler.

Now in contrast, look at it's Scum equivalent. The Kihraxz is getting the ability to be customised into pretty much any role you want it to be.

This is what the X-Wing needs, either for FFG to pick a role for it and give it just a little something to make it viable in that role, or to give it the ability to be customised into one of choice.

Personally I'd just be happy if they errata'd IA to be able to take a 2nd mod. 4 Rookies with R2, Plasma Torps IA and Chips? Yes please.
Or the aces can have Engine/Vectored and IA. And I'm sure the T-70s wouldn't mind IA and Autothrusters. It's a "fix" that works across the 

IMHO the X-wing is almost there, competitively. It just needs a little something to push it to the top. I'm not talking about fixes like the Khirazx got. The T-65 has got a solid dial, not great, but good. With IA you can trash a crit giving extra life. Good attack and so-so agility, not bad but not great either. It's like having a good spaghetti sauce but missing something to make it a great sauce. Hopefully FFG will find the 'Bay leaf' extra that will push the T-65 to the top of its game.

[Schu81 733]

6 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

IMHO the X-wing is almost there, competitively. It just needs a little something to push it to the top. I'm not talking about fixes like the Khirazx got. The T-65 has got a solid dial, not great, but good. 

Good dial? You must be trolling. 

[kempokid 868]

Hey @Stevey86,  one thing about the IA fix: would it be T-65 only, or do think it would be fine to give the T-70s an additional modification as well? Would IA and Autothrusters be too big of an advantage?

[michigun1 111]

this build won our store last Saturday.

Edited May 31, 2017 by michigun1

[Stevey86 1,347]

3 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

Hey @Stevey86,  one thing about the IA fix: would it be T-65 only, or do think it would be fine to give the T-70s an additional modification as well? Would IA and Autothrusters be too big of an advantage?

I'd let the T-70 have it. The only one getting any high-end play is Jess, and that largely down to cost. Maybe some people would put ATs on her too, but that's 2 points you have to lose from somewhere else.

And it might just bring Poe back into play a bit more...

[Stefan 721]

Why Ello Asty? What's the particular trick I didn't think of? I always use Nien Nunb in that spot.

[Stoneface 3,735]

Just now, Schu81 said:

Good dial? You must be trolling. 

Not a troll. How many red maneuvers are on that dial? I said good not great. Yes, it lacks in the number of green maneuvers, hence not great.

Even if all its maneuvers were green, some would complain because it didn't have a hard one.

[Schu81 733]

I wonder why @jwilliamson12 has got a Luke Skywalker avatar.

Must be sarcasm, as he clearly does NOT support Lukes ability to compete in tournaments.

[Stevey86 1,347]

6 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

Good dial? You must be trolling. 

Hold it up next to a HWK dial.

[kempokid 868]

4 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

I wonder why @jwilliamson12 has got a Luke Skywalker avatar.

Must be sarcasm, as he clearly does NOT support Lukes ability to compete in tournaments.

He's my favorite Star Wars character. Not my favorite X-Wing game* pilot. That title goes to Norra.

Edited May 31, 2017 by jwilliamson12
clarification

[Schu81 733]

But why dont you want to play your favorite Star Wars character in XWing? Imagine hed be about as viable as Norra... whats wrong with that?

[clanofwolves 4,136]

An additional mod slot sounds like a good idea for the T-65, as it does give you a better ship, but at a slight (whatever it is) cost. Perhaps a title that reduces the cost like the Kaxe is getting?

Maybe FFG should just FAQ that ships can take additional mods to their liking? I might be nuts, would this break any ships and/or lists? I'll admit, I'm not feeling all that sharp right now. Exclude the Jumpmaster please, that would be rhetorical. 

I'll also admit, I haven't had too much tea this morning.

Edited May 31, 2017 by clanofwolves

[Stevey86 1,347]

8 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

I wonder why @jwilliamson12 has got a Luke Skywalker avatar.

Must be sarcasm, as he clearly does NOT support Lukes ability to compete in tournaments.

Luke can compete... just about. Took 4th in a Store champs with him.

[Phoenix5454 334]

I still think the T-65 could use a little love however I've been having fun with this list.

Wedge : expertise, R5-P9, IA

Biggs : R2-D2, IA

Dutch : TLT, Bomb Load out, cluster mines, extra munitions

Keep biggs with Dutch and let the Regen flow, it's not revolutionary but works quite well lol.

Edited May 31, 2017 by Phoenix5454
Forgot 1 upgrade