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If you turn up there with 50 people at tables and scalpers you should just flip the tables, beat the hell of scalpers and prepare a document in french and send it to asmodee. really maybe ffg is not anymore up to the challenge of producing and printing games, their flop with destiny was maybe a rocky staart but this is ridiculous. its a about time they become big players or asmodee should become aware of their ineptitude.

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I submitted on time too, got a Sunday ticket which I'm grateful for.

Was #26 in line when the tix sold out and was like 2860 overall. Rough, hope FFG can do something about scalpers and we can all have fun at GenCon!

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2 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

Six came available and are sold again.  The people who waited their two hours probably so it expired. 

Yep, gone before I could get one in the cart. Same happened with 3 an hour ago. I've been hitting F5 for two and a half hours now...

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Just now, Dovla said:

If you turn up there with 50 people at tables and scalpers you should just flip the tables, beat the hell of scalpers and prepare a document in french and send it to asmodee. really maybe ffg is not anymore up to the challenge of producing and printing games, their flop with destiny was maybe a rocky staart but this is ridiculous. its a about time they become big players or asmodee should become aware of their ineptitude.

I'll point out that as far as I'm aware FFG have nothing to do with the event booking on the Gencon site. They have no control over that system, or ticket allocation.  If they are able to do something about the scalpers that will be to their credit.  If not, it says more about the Gencon system than anything else.

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5 minutes ago, Dovla said:

If you turn up there with 50 people at tables and scalpers you should just flip the tables, beat the hell of scalpers and prepare a document in french and send it to asmodee. really maybe ffg is not anymore up to the challenge of producing and printing games, their flop with destiny was maybe a rocky staart but this is ridiculous. its a about time they become big players or asmodee should become aware of their ineptitude.

Your anger is greatly misplaced 

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Just now, Tonbo Karasu said:

I'll point out that as far as I'm aware FFG have nothing to do with the event booking on the Gencon site. They have no control over that system, or ticket allocation.  If they are able to do something about the scalpers that will be to their credit.  If not, it says more about the Gencon system than anything else.

They could absolutely have anticipated the demand and offered more than 350 tickets. This is the relaunch of the second longest running card game with a rabid and loyal fan base. 350 was in no way close to enough.

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1 minute ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

Now, if they'd had a 32-person tournament as the only event, that you could blame on FFG, but 350 is bigger than many large established events.

What's funny is that only the L5R events are still sold out. Netrunner still has over 200 seats open for the North American Championships and GoT 2.0 has 80+ left for the Joust.

Seems to me like they could flip the Netrunner space for L5R, but I don't know what the rules are for that.

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1 minute ago, Danwarr said:

What's funny is that only the L5R events are still sold out. Netrunner still has over 200 seats open for the North American Championships and GoT 2.0 has 80+ left for the Joust.

Seems to me like they could flip the Netrunner space for L5R, but I don't know what the rules are for that.

I imagine that it's the sort of thing you could discuss, during business hours, not the middle of a Sunday :)

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Just now, Tonbo Karasu said:

I imagine that it's the sort of thing you could discuss, during business hours, not the middle of a Sunday :)

Oh for sure. It was just an idea that popped up.

Who knows if Netrunner fills by August as well. It's still awhile away and maybe something happens in the Netrunner meta game that brings people back.

Still, to have over 200+ seats still available looks pretty bad imo.

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8 minutes ago, Ragudaddy said:

They could absolutely have anticipated the demand and offered more than 350 tickets. This is the relaunch of the second longest running card game with a rabid and loyal fan base. 350 was in no way close to enough.

350 is colossal. You also have to keep in mind that there's a finite amount of space they have to work with. Even if they could handle the logistical side of things for a larger tournament it, fitting everyone into the space they're given by GenCon is always going to be a problem. As Danwarr mentioned, maybe they can cannibalize some space from events that don't sell as well and add some space in. Perhaps we'll see on Monday. 

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3 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I imagine that it's the sort of thing you could discuss, during business hours, not the middle of a Sunday :)

Business hours or not. I am pretty sure FFG is completely aware of what's going on right now. Smartly though, their methods of publicity and public relations are slow and steady with their cards close to their chest. I think we'll see a response that satiates some of the disappointment going on right now but not sure what it will be. FFG should be pretty happy about this though. Looks like their new baby might be a nice little golden egg.

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2 minutes ago, MoZi said:

Business hours or not. I am pretty sure FFG is completely aware of what's going on right now. Smartly though, their methods of publicity and public relations are slow and steady with their cards close to their chest. I think we'll see a response that satiates some of the disappointment going on right now but not sure what it will be. FFG should be pretty happy about this though. Looks like their new baby might be a nice little golden egg.

What's funny is that it seems like FFG is only really cannibalizing their own current market share. Both GoT and ANR are down while L5R is up. It sort of fits with the theory that FFG is more in the business to sell Core sets over and over again to the same people instead effectively curating a competitive space for a decent amount of time.

Edited by Danwarr

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Just now, Danwarr said:

What's funny is that it seems like FFG is only really cannibalizing their own current market share. Both GoT and ANR are down while L5R is up. It sort of fits with the theory that FFG is more in the business to sell Core sets over and over again to the same people instead effectively curating a competitive space for a decent amount of time.

I didn't play netrunner or agot or any other FFG games. But what I hear is that L5R has so far addressed some of their balancing issues they've had in the past, just with the mechanics of the game they've showed us so far. Maybe this will be the one that sticks? At least for a longer period of time. Regardless if they are cannibalizing their own IP's L5R is bringing in a new community to start.

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1 hour ago, MoZi said:

I didn't play netrunner or agot or any other FFG games. But what I hear is that L5R has so far addressed some of their balancing issues they've had in the past, just with the mechanics of the game they've showed us so far. Maybe this will be the one that sticks? At least for a longer period of time. Regardless if they are cannibalizing their own IP's L5R is bringing in a new community to start.

We'll see. This will be a the fourth year in a row that FFG releases a new LCG at Gen Con. Two years ago was GoT 2.0 and that sold out instantly. That has less than 100 people signed up for North American Nationals so far. Last year was Arkham Horror, but that is a co-op game and only had two events slots this year. Four years ago was Warhammer 40k Conquest.

Nu5R certainly looks like it is fixing some problems from some of FFG's previous LCGs, but that doesn't really say anything about the LCG business model and how they handle games going forward.

If FFG announces Netrunner Core 2.0 for Gen Con 2018 we'll know for sure what their intentions are.

Edited by Danwarr

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25 minutes ago, Malraza said:

350 is colossal. You also have to keep in mind that there's a finite amount of space they have to work with. Even if they could handle the logistical side of things for a larger tournament it, fitting everyone into the space they're given by GenCon is always going to be a problem. As Danwarr mentioned, maybe they can cannibalize some space from events that don't sell as well and add some space in. Perhaps we'll see on Monday. 

With WotC awol this year I think there could be more room available and planned for. If GET does make any announcements it probably won't be until Tuesday (Monday is memorial day).

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7 minutes ago, Danwarr said:

We'll see. This will be a the fourth year in a row that FFG releases a new LCG at Gen Con. Two years ago was GoT 2.0 and that sold out instantly. That has less than 100 people signed up for North American Nationals so far. Last year was Arkham Horror, but that is a co-op game and only had two events slots this year. Four years ago was Warhammer 40k Conquest.

Nu5R certainly looks like it is fixing some problems from some of FFG's previous LCGs, but that doesn't really say anything about the LCG business model and how they handle game going forward.

If FFG announces Netrunner Core 2.0 for Gen Con 2018 we'll know for sure what their intentions are.

Do you know if those events had 350 slots? Fewer? More?

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5 minutes ago, MoZi said:

Do you know if those events had 350 slots? Fewer? More?

GoT was their biggest and had around 300 from what I've heard. Everything relating to that game sold out at Gen Con. FFG kept shipping in more copies of the core to sell there it was so popular.

I don't think Arkham was as large, but I do know they sold every core set they brought to Gen Con.

I believe Netrunner sold out last year as well, but now has less than 100 entries as of today.

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1 hour ago, Dovla said:

If you turn up there with 50 people at tables and scalpers you should just flip the tables, beat the hell of scalpers and prepare a document in french and send it to asmodee. really maybe ffg is not anymore up to the challenge of producing and printing games, their flop with destiny was maybe a rocky staart but this is ridiculous. its a about time they become big players or asmodee should become aware of their ineptitude.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen on these forums, ever.  Kudos to you sir/mademe.

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19 minutes ago, ScottieATF said:

This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen on these forums, ever.  Kudos to you sir/mademe.

Thank you but danwarr verbalized what i think in a much more civil manner. Read that very carefully, he has great points. Then go read some posts on glass door. Then go read about sw destiny. Then come back and we will talk.

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7 minutes ago, Dovla said:

Thank you but danwarr verbalized what i think in a much more civil manner. Read that very carefully, he has great points. Then go read some posts on glass door. Then go read about sw destiny. Then come back and we will talk.

To be clear, the stuff with Gen Con has everything to do with Gen Con, not FFG. If scalpers are taking event tickets that's something the Gen Con people have to figure out and it's not really FFG's fault.

I'm simply pointing on that that only real "Living" card game FFG seems to have is one that isn't even out yet, and I think that is because it's what they are setting their business model up for. Basically releasing a new Core game every year or so means FFG never really has to commit a ton of resources to keeping an older game balanced and fun. They know everyone is going to buy whatever they print next because the Core and first couple cycle experiences were fun. Rinse repeat.

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