[Mafia] Remote Lothal Outpost - Finished

[Ardaedhel 10,840]

So... the only way Dab and I could have both been roleblocked simultaneously is if there was some kind of ability in play based on who we targeted, rather than who was doing the targeting.  Even with a Bus Driver in play, I think that Dab would've still seen me go to the target if we were both redirected.  Say the Bus Driver swapped Mad with Pellaeon:  I go to do my thing at Pellaeon, and Dab is redirected to be watching Pellaeon, so he sees me go to his target and believes I went to Madaghmire.

This would be a lot easier if I knew the details of how all these roles interact with each other...

So, if Dab and I were both roleblocked simultaneously, that still leaves the unexplained discrepancy between Ginkapo and Broba, which can't be explained by either roleblock or Bus Driver.

[Ardaedhel 10,840]

I can get on board the @BrobaFett lynching train, if we all agree that @Ginkapo goes next round if Brob was Imperial.  One of those two is dirty.

I've got a bad feeling about @Ginkapo.  Too much of his corroborating evidence has nefarious alternative explanations.

[Ginkapo 9,320]

Why? You dont need to have been roleblocked. Just dont know who the second person is

[Ginkapo 9,320]

Look. I dont want to put myself against Broba because I think I was misdirected. But 4 hours to go.... who else is there. 

Happy with mass claim as my claim is sensational. 

[Tirion 2,223]

1 hour ago, Ardaedhel said:

My suspicion of @Ginkapo is growing.

Mine as well but his early game blunder sure makes think he is an imp. But aside from that he screams rebel to me

[Ardaedhel 10,840]

I'm on board with a mass claim tomorrow.

For right now, the more I reread the more suspicious of @Ginkapo I become. 

Defend yourself, sir.  What detail do you have that implicates @BrobaFett? 

##unvote Dab

##vote @Ginkapo

[DabDarklighter 94]

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

Nothin better

# # vote Broba

Assume just Dab was roleblocked

This is a rather short explanation compared to your typical vote posts.  

 

Still trying to parse my way through the logic of last night myself though.

 

 

 

 

[Ginkapo 9,320]

Because I am drinking.

Bear in mind I am 1401. You will obey me subordinates.

[Ardaedhel 10,840]

@Tirion, who are you?  What's your operating number?

(*pew! pew!* Boring conversation anyway...)

[DabDarklighter 94]

 

13 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Because I am drinking.

Bear in mind I am 1401. You will obey me subordinates.

 

I think I found the one redirecting us last night. 

 

##vote @Ginkapo

(should just be L-2, right?)

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

@Ginkapoit is put up or shut up time...

[Ginkapo 9,320]

Wtf do you want? 

BG-1401 - Loyal Imperial Squad Leader, Sgt

tirion didnt visit anyone night 1 apparently. 

Dab. Whats your issue? Dont like authority figures? You may be an agent but you are still under my control you little sh1t

[DabDarklighter 94]

## unvote while I consider. More to follow (quoting from phone is hard)

 

[BrobaFett 4,209]

At the very beginning of all of this I thought that Gink talking so much, and putting so much pressure on random random people, was a bit conspicuous. He even voted -apparently- randomly (a behavior he yelled at everyone else for) at the start of the game, but I don't think it was random at all.

He started his finger pointing with NIP with that "random" vote, because at this point I think the plan all along was knowing that as long as he was leading people to NIP eventually when he was lynched he would be seen as trustworthy. But it's a common mafia play that and to me it is more suspicious that Gink was RIGHT when he "randomly" picked, out of 10 completely random people someone who just so happened to turn out to be a Rebel. Gink would have been fine if NIP was lynched round one to buy him credability, but happily for him he didn't go till the next round.

Then it was his "Full claim or lynch" ultimatum that got Mad exposed and night killed.

So far either Gink is a Rebel, or he is the single most unlucky Imperial player we have, because so far other than the fact he was the one leading the charge on NIP, everything Gink has done has helped the Rebels

Given this, I believe the betrayal starts at the top.

##Vote Ginkapo

[GiledPallaeon 2,873]

6 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

At the very beginning of all of this I thought that Gink talking so much, and putting so much pressure on random random people, was a bit conspicuous. He even voted -apparently- randomly (a behavior he yelled at everyone else for) at the start of the game, but I don't think it was random at all.

He started his finger pointing with NIP with that "random" vote, because at this point I think the plan all along was knowing that as long as he was leading people to NIP eventually when he was lynched he would be seen as trustworthy. But it's a common mafia play that and to me it is more suspicious that Gink was RIGHT when he "randomly" picked, out of 10 completely random people someone who just so happened to turn out to be a Rebel. Gink would have been fine if NIP was lynched round one to buy him credability, but happily for him he didn't go till the next round.

Then it was his "Full claim or lynch" ultimatum that got Mad exposed and night killed.

So far either Gink is a Rebel, or he is the single most unlucky Imperial player we have, because so far other than the fact he was the one leading the charge on NIP, everything Gink has done has helped the Rebels

Given this, I believe the betrayal starts at the top.

##Vote Ginkapo

This is either excellent deduction, or Broba is channeling Jack Sparrow brilliantly. And the same logic still applies to Broba re: Ginkapo.

2 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

I can get on board the @BrobaFett lynching train, if we all agree that @Ginkapo goes next round if Brob was Imperial.  One of those two is dirty.

I've got a bad feeling about @Ginkapo.  Too much of his corroborating evidence has nefarious alternative explanations.

Would you be open to reversing the order of this plan? (Especially since the Gink train may be leaving the station anyway.)

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

26 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Wtf do you want? 

BG-1401 - Loyal Imperial Squad Leader, Sgt

tirion didnt visit anyone night 1 apparently. 

Dab. Whats your issue? Dont like authority figures? You may be an agent but you are still under my control you little sh1t

Definitely drinking.

And I thought @Tirionvisited me the first night?

I still think the play is either Gink or Broba.

[Tirion 2,223]

Not unless I was also walking

[BrobaFett 4,209]

Or were mind tricked by Kanan Jarrus.

[DabDarklighter 94]

How many leaders have we had?  Mad was 1402 and claimed to be promoted after the first night, or do the numbers not nessecarily indicate rank?

 

[Ardaedhel 10,840]

25 minutes ago, GiledPallaeon said:

Would you be open to reversing the order of this plan? (Especially since the Gink train may be leaving the station anyway.)

Brother, my vote's already there.

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

Okay.  I'm with Ard.

I guess the tide is going toward Gink. If he is an imp then we hammer broba next. 

##vote @Ginkapo

[Ardaedhel 10,840]

3 minutes ago, DabDarklighter said:

How many leaders have we had?  Mad was 1402 and claimed to be promoted after the first night, or do the numbers not nessecarily indicate rank?

 

Mad claimed to have been promoted when Ovin was lynched, but he didn't necessarily claim that he was the squad leader or anything.

Also worth noting, we have no basis for Gink's number. The only reason I'm holding onto my own is I haven't needed it to defend myself, and it's a trump card if somebody else claims it.

[Ginkapo 9,320]

Piss off. Who says i visited Mad? No one.

MORONS

[Ardaedhel 10,840]

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Okay.  I'm with Ard.

I guess the tide is going toward Gink. If he is an imp then we hammer broba next. 

##vote @Ginkapo

Agree.

It's not a great spot we're in, having apparently lost both investigators. :/

[Ardaedhel 10,840]

Just now, Ginkapo said:

Piss off. Who says i visited Mad? No one.

MORONS

Getting mad under accusation: the best strategy when the rabble is roused against you.