Fat Han/ Poe or (Don't ask about her weight) Rey / Poe

[Mackaywarrior 468]

Who is the dominant Millenium Falcon pilot these days and what are the builds?

[ImperialOfficer 156]

I flew against a falcon this weekend that was tough to take down.  I had a two ship build, so more ships would have been faster, but even then it lasted a while. 

Han (old one): 

-Chewie

-Luke (could be gunner, had Luke because of extra points)

-Hull upgrade

-title (evade)

 

With Chewie and the hull upgrade it took 16 hits to bring it down.  

 

I like the Rage Chewie Falcon and also the Kanan/Finn Rey Falcon, but this one might be the best all around.  

Just a thought, I'm still a relatively new player, so not pro advice by any means. 

[SheepRebel 5]

I am no tourney rat myself (yet), but I dare say Rey with Finn crew is probably the most competitive.

And see a lot of action for that reason.

There are variations over that base.

Usually with the new title, to keep the enemy in arc, often EU for the same reason as well as improve R1 chances.

Sometimes with Expertise (though Segnors loop shuts that down, and stress sensitive is a tough life theese days).

I saw a you tube vid where Ray w/ Finn was backed by a fat (?) HWK; chewie crew and hull upgrade plus TLT.

[ImperialOfficer 156]

20 minutes ago, SheepAce said:

Sometimes with Expertise (though Segnors loop shuts that down, and stress sensitive is a tough life theese days).

Hey Sheep.  

If you take Kanan crew, you can sloop with the title, and not take the stress.  So expertise could still work.  It's filthy.  

Rey with VI, Finn, Kanan, Title (HoR), EU is absolutely disgusting.  

[gennataos 5,873]

From what I've seen, there really isn't a dominant Falcon pilot.  Fat Han/Jake still shows up in tournament list and occasionally places okay.  I don't see Rey making any noise in tournaments, but people sure do love her (including myself).  

I used to love Expertise Rey, and I do really like her, but I think it's very list dependent.  Any stress and it's a wasted EPT.  People love EU on Rey, for good reason, but I've found she's fine without it.  This is my favorite build for her:

Rey (45)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Finn (5)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Edited May 1, 2017 by gennataos

[Mackaywarrior 468]

Thanks for the feedback y'all! I have a list I love to fly that isn't winning any tournaments. Thought I'd have a second list to make sure I don't get burned out.

 

[Karhedron 1,865]

I still like original Chewie with the original Title for tankiness. Even loaded out you have points for a decent wingman. Here is a list I often roll out when I don't have anything specific in mind.

55 Chewie (42), Predator (3), Gunner (5), C-3PO (3), Falcon (1), Tactical Jammer (1)
44 Poe (PS9) (33), PTL (3), Pattern Analyser (2), Autothrusters (2), R5-P9 (3), Black One (1)

[gennataos 5,873]

On 5/2/2017 at 5:47 AM, Karhedron said:

I still like original Chewie with the original Title for tankiness. Even loaded out you have points for a decent wingman. Here is a list I often roll out when I don't have anything specific in mind.

55 Chewie (42), Predator (3), Gunner (5), C-3PO (3), Falcon (1), Tactical Jammer (1)
44 Poe (PS9) (33), PTL (3), Pattern Analyser (2), Autothrusters (2), R5-P9 (3), Black One (1)

Old school Chewie is a badass.  That's a ton of points to CHEW through, one hit at a time!  I've been considering putting this on the table and just haven't yet...

Rey (45)
Adaptability (0)
Finn (5)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Chewbacca (42)
Trick Shot (0)
C-3PO (3)
"Chopper" (0)

Total: 100

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[gennataos 5,873]

On 5/2/2017 at 5:47 AM, Karhedron said:

I still like original Chewie with the original Title for tankiness. Even loaded out you have points for a decent wingman. Here is a list I often roll out when I don't have anything specific in mind.

55 Chewie (42), Predator (3), Gunner (5), C-3PO (3), Falcon (1), Tactical Jammer (1)
44 Poe (PS9) (33), PTL (3), Pattern Analyser (2), Autothrusters (2), R5-P9 (3), Black One (1)

@Karhedron - Looking at this, have you compared/contrasted this with a typical Rey/Poe list?  I looooove Rey/Poe, but could see myself trying this out.

[RPLev 19]

I disagree with the Poe Build. My reason being is that I have been flying Triple X Builds for years. I know good and well that clearing stress on them is a pain in the but. Not only that, Poe is HEAVILY reliant on having a Focus to be effective. Black One title is in my opinion worthless. I will be making my own post as I will be asking for advice on a different build but, I will mention the build I am about to give you.

Rey: Expertise, Finn, Kanan Jarrus, Millenium Falcon (TFA)

Poe (PS9): Predator, R2-D2, Auto Thrusters

I did get to test this build on one of the World's players and it won. The goal with the build is to let Rey take the hits. If she happens to bump it's fine. Her re-roll applies as long as something is in the arc. Expertise furthers the bump potential by giving her a free Focus everytime basically (assuming no stress). If you need to get turned around Kanan Jarrus will allow you to use the special move thanks to the title. If stress builds become more common Predator can work.

As for Poe.. His main job is to help Rey. He should never be the one taking all of the hits (unless Rey has taken too much). The meta right now in Tournaments is lists with at least 1-2 TLT's. This includes Rebels and Scum lists. Rebel builds with TLT will be the most common (Miranda). That is why Auto Thrusters are there. If the meta does change, then swapping out Auto's for Integrated Astromech, and putting a Pattern Analyzer in the Tech Slot is the way to go.

I will warn you this build does not work well against "cheese lists" such as Asaj+Tactician, Paolob with Ion, or Twin Defenders and Omega.

[Karhedron 1,865]

3 hours ago, gennataos said:

@Karhedron - Looking at this, have you compared/contrasted this with a typical Rey/Poe list?  I looooove Rey/Poe, but could see myself trying this out.

Rey/Poe is tricky as you are trying to run 2 aces without quite enough points. To get Rey in at 55 points means just VI and no EU. At 56 you can run her with Expert Handling. The trouble is that Poe's effectiveness drops rapidly once you start cutting his points. The 44 point build I listed works really well but as soon as you start cutting points he suffers. You could save 2 points and fly the PS8 version if you don't see many PS9 aces in your meta but I rather like PS9 Poe with a 1 point bid for getting the edge on Fenn.

For 1 point, Black One is a steal, many opponents will not even try and take TLs on him as a result. I had an opponent leave his ordnance unspent in one game as he considered acquiring the TL a wasted action. That meant my 1 point upgrade negated a 4 point upgrade. A good deal by any measure.

[RPLev 19]

You must of skipped over what I said Karhedron. Poe is fine at 42 points. I did run a successful test against a high skill player. Not only that I have been in recent Tournaments with it. I know it works.

Rey with Expert Handling is just reducing her awesomeness. If you run Rey with Finn.. She is a beast. You need to think about complimenting that, not trying to do the complete opposite. 2 Green Dice, and 5 Red Dice is way too good to pass up. Predator or Expertise is the way to go in my opinion.

[Karhedron 1,865]

9 minutes ago, RPLev said:

Rey with Expert Handling is just reducing her awesomeness. If you run Rey with Finn.. She is a beast. You need to think about complimenting that, not trying to do the complete opposite. 2 Green Dice, and 5 Red Dice is way too good to pass up. Predator or Expertise is the way to go in my opinion.

Predator is not really necessary on Rey. 2 Rerolls on opponents in arc is usually enough, spending 3 points for 1 extra that you will not need all that often is not a great idea. Yes it helps for when targets are out of arc but between EU and Expert Handling, you should be catching opponents in arc more often than not.

Expertise is very cool but also very expensive and vulnerable to Stress.

[MHamerR8 44]

30 minutes ago, RPLev said:

You must of skipped over what I said Karhedron. Poe is fine at 42 points. I did run a successful test against a high skill player. Not only that I have been in recent Tournaments with it. I know it works.

Rey with Expert Handling is just reducing her awesomeness. If you run Rey with Finn.. She is a beast. You need to think about complimenting that, not trying to do the complete opposite. 2 Green Dice, and 5 Red Dice is way too good to pass up. Predator or Expertise is the way to go in my opinion.

Where do you get the second green die? I am just wondering as i think i missed something.

[RPLev 19]

2 hours ago, MHamerR8 said:

Where do you get the second green die? I am just wondering as i think i missed something.

Finn. You add a blank dice when they are in Arc. It works on defense and offense, and is not range restrictive so it can be used even at Range 3. Rey herself is the same way. Her pilot ability is not restrictive.

Thats why you run Finn with Rey all the time. With the re-roll and extra dice, it works out beautifully

As for Karhedron.. Ok fine then. Put Determination on Rey. Rey is very much a jouster so Determination will prevent the Stunned Pilot, Shaken Pilot, Damaged Cockpit and Blinded Pilot. These are all cards that can prevent the strategies I mentioned. With that, it leaves you 3 Points so you are free to put a Hull Upgrade on Rey, or Pattern Analyzer on Poe.

I would still avoid using the Black One. Poe should be Focusing or Target Locking. That is how you achieve maximum efficiency. If he is barrel rolling or boosting, that doesn't help as nearly as much. With Auto's you can avoid the Range 3 munitions a bit easier anyways. Thats just me

[gennataos 5,873]

17 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Rey/Poe is tricky as you are trying to run 2 aces without quite enough points. To get Rey in at 55 points means just VI and no EU. At 56 you can run her with Expert Handling. The trouble is that Poe's effectiveness drops rapidly once you start cutting his points. The 44 point build I listed works really well but as soon as you start cutting points he suffers. You could save 2 points and fly the PS8 version if you don't see many PS9 aces in your meta but I rather like PS9 Poe with a 1 point bid for getting the edge on Fenn.

For 1 point, Black One is a steal, many opponents will not even try and take TLs on him as a result. I had an opponent leave his ordnance unspent in one game as he considered acquiring the TL a wasted action. That meant my 1 point upgrade negated a 4 point upgrade. A good deal by any measure.

If you like Rey/Poe, I really encourage you to try out this list for a few games, see if it works for you.  I've done really well with it and don't feel I've even hit on it's full potential yet.  Here is my reasoning behind it...

• Any time I've tried to run R5-P9 Regen Poe with Rey, it doesn't go great.  Regen Poe is like Regen Corran...he wants to take his shots then tool around a bit to regen.  Regen Poe + Rey wants to joust, and Rey can't handle everything on her own while Poe wanders off to get back shields.  It's arguable they don't have enough dice (red or green) to joust in the first place.
• I've embraced the notion that not getting hit at all is better than regen.  That plus the above = BB-8.
• BB-8 + PtL + PA = good luck knowing where Poe will end up.  This combo provides so much action versatility and efficiency, it's silly.
• I don't think Rey needs EU.  If she's chasing down someone, I feel she's already in a winning position.  If she's running away, I feel she's already in a losing position.  Plus, Inertial Dampeners usually provides a crucial role at some point in my games.  Even before I use it, it makes the opponent wonder if I'll pop it and thus impacts their maneuvering.  
• I also don't think Rey needs Expertise, at least not with a 2-ship list.  While people think of it as an offensive upgrade, I see it as more of a defensive upgrade so you can keep your focus for defense.  It can have a positive impact if Rey bumps, but can also be a complete waste of 4 points if you run into stress.  
• I use Adaptability instead of VI on Rey to get down to 98 for a 2-point initiative bid.  I feel having Rey at 10 with VI and Poe losing the bid costs me more than it gains.  This is mostly an anti-Whisper/anti-Fenn choice.
• I really do not understand why people dismiss the Black One title at 1 point.  It can virtually remove the TL action for the opposing list.  How is that not a good thing?  I feel it's stapled to any T-70 which takes BB-8.
• As far as how I approach the strategy, is I try to dangle Poe as bait.  If they take it, he has enough tricks to get out of trouble with Rey zooming in to wreak havoc.  If not and they go for Rey, Poe is in a prime position to flank and probably keep on their tail.

Rey (45)
Adaptability (0)
Finn (5)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Push the Limit (3)
BB-8 (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 98

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[kewlguy360 6]

My Rey/poe list

 

Rey: Expertise, falcon title(TFA), finn, kanan-58

Poe(PS 8): PTL, Black one, R5P9, pattern analyzer, autothruster/vectored thrusters-42

[Rogue_Group1 31]

On 5/4/2017 at 10:20 AM, gennataos said:

If you like Rey/Poe, I really encourage you to try out this list for a few games, see if it works for you.  I've done really well with it and don't feel I've even hit on it's full potential yet.  Here is my reasoning behind it...

• Any time I've tried to run R5-P9 Regen Poe with Rey, it doesn't go great.  Regen Poe is like Regen Corran...he wants to take his shots then tool around a bit to regen.  Regen Poe + Rey wants to joust, and Rey can't handle everything on her own while Poe wanders off to get back shields.  It's arguable they don't have enough dice (red or green) to joust in the first place.
• I've embraced the notion that not getting hit at all is better than regen.  That plus the above = BB-8.
• BB-8 + PtL + PA = good luck knowing where Poe will end up.  This combo provides so much action versatility and efficiency, it's silly.
• I don't think Rey needs EU.  If she's chasing down someone, I feel she's already in a winning position.  If she's running away, I feel she's already in a losing position.  Plus, Inertial Dampeners usually provides a crucial role at some point in my games.  Even before I use it, it makes the opponent wonder if I'll pop it and thus impacts their maneuvering.  
• I also don't think Rey needs Expertise, at least not with a 2-ship list.  While people think of it as an offensive upgrade, I see it as more of a defensive upgrade so you can keep your focus for defense.  It can have a positive impact if Rey bumps, but can also be a complete waste of 4 points if you run into stress.  
• I use Adaptability instead of VI on Rey to get down to 98 for a 2-point initiative bid.  I feel having Rey at 10 with VI and Poe losing the bid costs me more than it gains.  This is mostly an anti-Whisper/anti-Fenn choice.
• I really do not understand why people dismiss the Black One title at 1 point.  It can virtually remove the TL action for the opposing list.  How is that not a good thing?  I feel it's stapled to any T-70 which takes BB-8.
• As far as how I approach the strategy, is I try to dangle Poe as bait.  If they take it, he has enough tricks to get out of trouble with Rey zooming in to wreak havoc.  If not and they go for Rey, Poe is in a prime position to flank and probably keep on their tail.

Rey (45)
Adaptability (0)
Finn (5)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Push the Limit (3)
BB-8 (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 98

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On 5/5/2017 at 4:29 PM, kewlguy360 said:

My Rey/poe list

 

Rey: Expertise, falcon title(TFA), finn, kanan-58

Poe(PS 8): PTL, Black one, R5P9, pattern analyzer, autothruster/vectored thrusters-42

Here is my Rey/poe game.

Visual made with: http://xwing-builder.co.uk/build#

It works well. I purchased

-B wing expansion

-Heroes

[SOTL 3,229]

I think the only Falcon you can point to that's had any real success in a big event was Fat Han at Worlds 2016.

According to meta-wing Han is slightly outperforming Rey since the nerf: http://meta-wing.com/ships/4?ranking_start=2017-03-17&ranking_end=2017-05-17&large_tournament_multiplier=true&widespread_use_multiplier=true&use_ranking_data=all&tournament_type=&