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To the amazing game design experts of this forum: What happened to the Kylo-will-ruin-everything prophecy?

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Come on guys, you totally failed to predict what an amazing card Attani Mindlink was when people talked about it, you never payed attention to Sabine crew til someone flew it against you, and now you totally fail to predict the impact Kylo party crits will have in the meta? Should we link some of your doom threads to really get this party going? Should we try to make #whereiskylo viral?

I thought you guys are the experts FFG listens to.

Oh btw, buff the x-wing ;(

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1 minute ago, haritos said:

Come on guys, you totally failed to predict what an amazing card Attani Mindlink was when people talked about it, you never payed attention to Sabine crew til someone flew it against you, and now you totally fail to predict the impact Kylo party crits will have in the meta? Should we link some of your doom threads to really get this party going? Should we try to make #whereiskylo viral?

I thought you guys are the experts FFG listens to.

Oh btw, buff the x-wing ;(

ahem, GUNBOAT

 

People would rather copy Pheaver or Paratani since those are established, and getting Kylo to crit automatically seems to be too hard for people to figure out.  And everyone knows that if you can use a pilots ability every FAQing round then it's no good.

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7 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

ahem, GUNBOAT

 

People would rather copy Pheaver or Paratani since those are established, and getting Kylo to crit automatically seems to be too hard for people to figure out.  And everyone knows that if you can use a pilots ability every FAQing round then it's no good.

I second that, GUNBOAT!

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Coming in hot. The answer is simple, but two-fold:

1) Despite the Upsilon's better-than-the-Lambda dial and because of its price point, it ain't viable; plus,

2) a three-point, Imperial Only crew is something you have to build a whole list around - so what's that mean? RAC. How's RAC look in the meta? Answer: Not apocalyptic.

Ta-da! Where's my sticker?

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I've always said Kylo isn't all that hot, and he'd end up being like Tractor Beams - a storm in a teacup.

I've not really changed my opinion.  He's strong when he's used but he has enough weaknesses that he's not top-meta.

What I do think is that you can't build a two-ship list any more without thinking about how you combat him when he does appear.  Because he REALLY messes up two-ship lists where he can easily cost you half your firepower for the entire game (thinking about him here as the third crew on RAC along with HotCop and Gunner).

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15 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Coming in hot. The answer is simple, but two-fold:

1) Despite the Upsilon's better-than-the-Lambda dial and because of its price point, it ain't viable; plus,

2) a three-point, Imperial Only crew is something you have to build a whole list around - so what's that mean? RAC. How's RAC look in the meta? Answer: Not apocalyptic.

Ta-da! Where's my sticker?

Too bad the Imps don't have a cheap crew carrier.  

 

Why build a whole list around one so-so card?

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30 minutes ago, Tom1132 said:

I, for one, think Cad Bane will be the one to break the game.

Even though we don't have his card text yet.

Did I 'forum' correctly? :D

Genuinely though, if Cad Bane is a bad card I'm gonna riot.

I don't care if he's not a top-of-the-meta tournament staple.

But he's got to be playable.

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24 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

I think most of the complaints weren't that he was too good, but that good or not he was a bad game experience.

I think those complaints are entirely accurate.

This too.

He may not be all that good, be he is definitely not fun to face unless you have specifically countered him with Determination or Chewie or similar.

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I think the place for Kylo crew is on a Tie shuttle.  This allows you to have more options for escorts.  I have a list with Omega Leader, Vader, and a Tempest Squadron to help push the crits through.  I have not run it against the top meta lists, as I need to stay with my current list for Worlds, but it seems solid.  I may try to run it for the store championships coming up after Worlds.

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One of the biggest reasons Kylo doesn't show up at the top tables is Biggs. His ability is useless if you can't shoot the regen ship. Pretty much any list with Biggs will eat RAC alive by the time Biggs is dead.

I agree with the assertion that, even if he's not great, he's a fairly poor play experience. But I completely understand why he was introduced. He was meant to reign in point fortress Rebel regen like 48 pt Corran Horn. Seriously though, f*** Corran Horn.

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1 hour ago, shadowswalker said:

I think the place for Kylo crew is on a Tie shuttle.  This allows you to have more options for escorts.  I have a list with Omega Leader, Vader, and a Tempest Squadron to help push the crits through.  I have not run it against the top meta lists, as I need to stay with my current list for Worlds, but it seems solid.  I may try to run it for the store championships coming up after Worlds.

In case anyone is interested, Tomax Bren with Crack Shot, Kylo, and Merc Copilot is 30 points.  The 70 that's left easily fits autocritting Vader and Backdraft.  I make no promises about this squad, but it does have 3 high PS, crit-reliable ships with Kylo Ren.

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It wasn't really that it was going to dominate it the meta, it was more that it was going to restrict the meta, make other currently dominant squads even more dominant by wiping out some of their counters, and in addition to that be the most negative play experience inducing mechanic possible.

What it would have done was just drive even more people to Parattanni and Palpatine Aces and Biggs, and punish a lot of things that countered those types of lists like Scum 2 ship lists.

But since Palpatine Aces and Parattanni were still better lists at the time, no one flew Kylo. That's why.

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3 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

I think most of the complaints weren't that he was too good, but that good or not he was a bad game experience.

I think those complaints are entirely accurate.

This.

I find it also interesting that some of the pods where like

"ugh the Quadjumper is so sh*tty NPE, I do not get around to fly my ships anymore as they are going to be tractored", and then later like:

"Kylo is so awesome" and drawing up lots of builds how to  best get the crits through....

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14 hours ago, haritos said:

Come on guys, you totally failed to predict what an amazing card Attani Mindlink was when people talked about it, you never payed attention to Sabine crew til someone flew it against you, and now you totally fail to predict the impact Kylo party crits will have in the meta? Should we link some of your doom threads to really get this party going? Should we try to make #whereiskylo viral?

Those threads went to the great black hole in the sky.....along with all the imperial players in competitive.

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