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Elves and Daqan have been traditional allies, elves even live in the Baronies.

Waiqar hates the Uthuk, and in fact almost made them extinct in his zeal to wipe them out.

He, of course, sounds willing to use and manipulate anyone who allows it though.

Though I do hope Uthuk get demons and that there is a Daqan hero that lets you summon the Ynfernael...

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9 minutes ago, Waywardpaladin said:

Though I do hope Uthuk get demons and that there is a Daqan hero that lets you summon the Ynfernael...

I kinda hope they start the game summoned. Maybe it's because of all the time spent with GW games, but I've never felt the balance is right in systems with summoning.

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1 hour ago, Hijodecain said:

I'm thinking the opposite, with those deployment areas there is less gaps to flank with fast units. 

From the sides true, but they can run past or charge a smaller unit to anhialate it get behind the enemy then turn around and get in a rear charge. All the while ranged units can harry your opponent with volley after volley of arrow fire.

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Starter sets always offer a great discount and for other miniature wargames in which you have to buy a rulebook the difference is even bigger if you chose not to buy the starter.

Edited by Iceeagle85

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15 hours ago, jek said:

I'm NOT trying to turn this into an argument, mainly I just find this to be a very interesting discussion that will effect us all, I wouldn't find it that surprising to see a big box, maybe not full hero, infantry, special, monster layout. but see a new troops for that wave, that launches then similar expansions launch after.  The difference between a big box and expansions is only a variety of cards so there really isn't any additional production cost from a mold standpoint, just 5-10 cards.  And i don't see how it is different than the aces in anything other than in terms of scale.

Yeah, I'm not arguing either. We all love Runewars! 

I just disagree is all. I'd be very surprised to see big box expansions again outside of the core set, the Elf army box, the Uthuk army box and any other army box for any other faction. 

Most FFG 'waves' top out at around 8 or so products.

With 4 factions in the game, I think all waves going forward (i.e after each faction has the same number of units/expansions available) will release units for the factions equally - which would look like 2 units per faction per wave.

Big box expansions only help when you're trying to get factions off the ground - which is exactly what we're getting with half of a core set and/or army boxes

But other than that big boxes don't help anyone really:

- Lower margins for FFG

- Higher costs for consumers who don't necessarily want  everything in the box

- More boring waves for the game - with upgrade cards released at a slower rate

 

What I mean by that last comment is that if a 'normal' wave contains big boxes, then it can't also contain expansion packs of those units - because that'd be way too big. That'd be 5 expansions per faction (4 unit big box + 4 expansion packs of the same units) for 20 expansions per wave. That's over twice the size of any wave FFG have ever done for any of their games. And they won't split them up because that'd result in some factions having their units several months in advance of others. So if 'wave A' was big 4 unit box per faction - that'd be fine, but gives no option to consumers to buy those units individually, and then months later 'wave B' comes out and is all the units separately - but that's pretty boring. 

As I say, I think once each faction has their core/big box, 'normal' waves will just consist of 1-2 unit sized (ie 2 trays) expansion packs per faction. 

 

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6 minutes ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

Yeah, I'm not arguing either. We all love Runewars! 

I just disagree is all. I'd be very surprised to see big box expansions again outside of the core set, the Elf army box, the Uthuk army box and any other army box for any other faction. 

Most FFG 'waves' top out at around 8 or so products.

With 4 factions in the game, I think all waves going forward (i.e after each faction has the same number of units/expansions available) will release units for the factions equally - which would look like 2 units per faction per wave.

Big box expansions only help when you're trying to get factions off the ground - which is exactly what we're getting with half of a core set and/or army boxes

But other than that big boxes don't help anyone really:

- Lower margins for FFG

- Higher costs for consumers who don't necessarily want  everything in the box

- More boring waves for the game - with upgrade cards released at a slower rate

 

What I mean by that last comment is that if a 'normal' wave contains big boxes, then it can't also contain expansion packs of those units - because that'd be way too big. That'd be 5 expansions per faction (4 unit big box + 4 expansion packs of the same units) for 20 expansions per wave. That's over twice the size of any wave FFG have ever done for any of their games. And they won't split them up because that'd result in some factions having their units several months in advance of others. So if 'wave A' was big 4 unit box per faction - that'd be fine, but gives no option to consumers to buy those units individually, and then months later 'wave B' comes out and is all the units separately - but that's pretty boring. 

As I say, I think once each faction has their core/big box, 'normal' waves will just consist of 1-2 unit sized (ie 2 trays) expansion packs per faction. 

 

I think we may have the same schedule...I don't know honestly I would prefer the big box method hence why I'm talking about it because I like blocks of guys, though I could be wrong and the small expansions could be the way to go because honestly, we should really only be seeing specialist units mostly from this point on, we have our standard infantry for each faction, so if we never get an option for another 4x3 sized unit the current expansion model will work fine, just start fleshing out more heroes and more specialists... My whole big box idea was because I kept thinking about what the next wave will have as a reanimate or spearmen alternative but now that I am thinking about it...why would they create an alternative for the main infantry...it really would not make sense for a logic stand point, infantry should be a standard type then we have all the different specialists to support them.  That would be cool...ok I need coffee...and the blood of my enemies...

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1 minute ago, jek said:

I think we may have the same schedule...I don't know honestly I would prefer the big box method hence why I'm talking about it because I like blocks of guys, though I could be wrong and the small expansions could be the way to go because honestly, we should really only be seeing specialist units mostly from this point on, we have our standard infantry for each faction, so if we never get an option for another 4x3 sized unit the current expansion model will work fine, just start fleshing out more heroes and more specialists... My whole big box idea was because I kept thinking about what the next wave will have as a reanimate or spearmen alternative but now that I am thinking about it...why would they create an alternative for the main infantry...it really would not make sense for a logic stand point, infantry should be a standard type then we have all the different specialists to support them.  That would be cool...ok I need coffee...and the blood of my enemies...

Just in general terms big boxes are good value - but offer less choice to a consumer. Look at imperial assault for instance - The core set is great value - but offer little choice - I have to buy it if I want anything in there, but what if didn't want half of it? What if I actually want more Royal Guards, but the only way is to buy another core? 

I'd hate to be in a situation in Runewars where I'd like 2 more trays of a unit, but the only way to get it was in a $60 box. 

In terms of units going forward - there's what, Hero, Cavalry, Siege and Infantry right? 

Future releases could closely follow stuff from Battlelore - we can easily see how the following would fit into the Hero/Cavalry/Infantry/Siege system:

Image result for battlelore 2nd edition

 

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7 minutes ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

Just in general terms big boxes are good value - but offer less choice to a consumer. Look at imperial assault for instance - The core set is great value - but offer little choice - I have to buy it if I want anything in there, but what if didn't want half of it? What if I actually want more Royal Guards, but the only way is to buy another core? 

I'd hate to be in a situation in Runewars where I'd like 2 more trays of a unit, but the only way to get it was in a $60 box. 

In terms of units going forward - there's what, Hero, Cavalry, Siege and Infantry right? 

Future releases could closely follow stuff from Battlelore - we can easily see how the following would fit into the Hero/Cavalry/Infantry/Siege system:

Image result for battlelore 2nd edition

 

So yeah, throughout the faction there is one standard infantry and everything else is specialist (ranged((except with those dirty elves and their standard infantry archers I can't wait to cover them in blight) siege or cavalry) and heroes. But also I never really thought the big boxes would be the only way to do the product just that say in Q1 we saw new big box then Q2 we saw the items from it in a 2 tray expansion form. I would prefer that as stated but if everything coming only ends up being like 6-tray max formations then I don't expect it or think it is necessary still would be cool though!...

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Just now, jek said:

But also I never really thought the big boxes would be the only way to do the product just that say in Q1 we saw new big box then Q2 we saw the items from it in a 2 tray expansion form. I would prefer that as stated but if everything coming only ends up being like 6-tray max formations then I don't expect it or think it is necessary still would be cool though!...

OK we're going round in circles now, so I'll drop it after this post but...

The problem with 'Wave A big boxes' followed by 'Wave B packs of the units in the big boxes' is that means:

Wave A - 4 releases

Wave B - 16+ releases

That's too big a wave.

And it's just boring - it means that across 2 waves of products you only have 1 set of new units. And if anyone wants more of a given unit they either have to buy multiples of the big box, knowing that they'll need the packs later for the cards at least, or they have to just wait.  

 

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Just now, jonboyjon1990 said:

OK we're going round in circles now, so I'll drop it after this post but...

The problem with 'Wave A big boxes' followed by 'Wave B packs of the units in the big boxes' is that means:

Wave A - 4 releases

Wave B - 16+ releases

That's too big a wave.

And it's just boring - it means that across 2 waves of products you only have 1 set of new units. And if anyone wants more of a given unit they either have to buy multiples of the big box, knowing that they'll need the packs later for the cards at least, or they have to just wait.  

 

we've been going round in circles for a while and I was no longer saying anything for them other than that is how I would have liked to see them, but I concede it is not ideal in total. Now I really just want to see the Uthuk army box...

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1 minute ago, jek said:

we've been going round in circles for a while and I was no longer saying anything for them other than that is how I would have liked to see them, but I concede it is not ideal in total. Now I really just want to see the Uthuk army box...

Yes roll on more reveals! Oh and release day of course! 

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1 minute ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

Yes roll on more reveals! Oh and release day of course! 

Release day is when I am running my first 200pt game...and I am soo excited for that, though wish I had the stuff from wave 1 in my hands...

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1 hour ago, magicrealm said:

As a fan of the Runewars Board Game i still hope for the Pegasus rider,  Enchantresses and the Guardian Melees.

Up to now, no faction can deploy flyng units. I wont be surprised if they will release a future wave totally focused on flying units adding, roc warrior for humans, pegasus for elfs, crypt dragon for undead and.. something for the uthuk ( I cannot recall any flyng units for them)

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I love that they are doing this. I think it will make it a lot easier to get into. You can choose to buy the core and get a bunch of units in one go, or buy starter kit, then buy a starter army to get a bunch of core units cheap or buy specific expansions if you are looking for a specific build. I hope this builds and they come out with this for XWing for people that want to hop in but don't want to fly the core ships. I think this makes it more likely that I will pick up one of the other two factions after I have a decent Waiqar force built.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/4/10/runewars-miniatures-game-essentials-pack/

EDIT: Oh, so this makes it $25+60+60 to get the same value (if they come out with Daqan/Waiqar starter armies), so we could compare the Core value MSRP at $145 of stuff for $100! Not a bad deal (especially below MSRP). If we look at the starter armies, we can predict $25+25x2+25+25/2 for about $112.50 for $60, which is an even better deal. To build the core with just expansions looks like $250 MSRP for only $100. I sincerely hope they come out with a Waiqar starter army in Q3, I may hold off on building up a collection that can field a full 12-tray Reanimates until I can buy them that way.

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19 hours ago, Budgernaut said:

As pointed out above, Kari only lets you take non-unique infantry from the Latari faction. Since the Aymhelin Scion is a Siege unit, Kari can't invite it to join the ranks of the Daqan. But yeah, getting archers will be interesting for Daqan.

Isn't there a scion upgrade card in the preview? I'm pretty sure the archers will be able to take it.

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16 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

Isn't there a scion upgrade card in the preview? I'm pretty sure the archers will be able to take it.

Yes, there is. And yes, the archers probably will be able to equip that upgrade. However, if you put the archers in a Daqan army, the rules do not let you put the Frontline Aymhelin Scion upgrade on your archers because 88.7 says you can only equip upgrades with a faction icon if your army matches that faction.

Interestingly, it seems you should be able to put a Frontline Rune Golem in your Deepwood Archers unit in a Daqan list.

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3 minutes ago, Budgernaut said:

Yes, there is. And yes, the archers probably will be able to equip that upgrade. However, if you put the archers in a Daqan army, the rules do not let you put the Frontline Aymhelin Scion upgrade on your archers because 88.7 says you can only equip upgrades with a faction icon if your army matches that faction.

Interestingly, it seems you should be able to put a Frontline Rune Golem in your Deepwood Archers unit in a Daqan list.

I think we'll see something in the FAQ that will say which upgrade it can get. Kari's passive is a special case after all.

Edited by Kubernes

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