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Fleet combat in Rebels Season 3 finale

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37 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I look at it this way:
If they **** this up - they're fired, and the debacle would be so great, they'd never work again.  Ever.

I think they'd be well aware of the risks on this one :D

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Maybe I'm weird.  Maybe its odd.  But I do believe my point of view is certainly influenced by the fact that I have an Almost-Four-year-Old that was introduced to Star Wars through Rebels... I read a bit of the EU lore when it was about, but not a great deal - and I considered the great de-canonisation as a great thing for the franchise...  For one, it makes the "story" of Star Wars accessible again.  And honestly, that's what I see Disney and LFL continuing to do - to continue to tell the story, and make the story accessable...  The whole point of removing the EU was to crush inconsistencies that they had relatively no control over - and I have some faith that they will continue to tell the good story of Star Wars, and invoke as few inconsistencies as possible as they do so...  When they do, they will likely be very minor.   Because anything - anything - that destroys credibility, destroys the Franchise.  You want to grow your market, not cut half of it off and only aim for new growth - you want to grow it all, and keep your current success...

All that being said, I certainly have more faith in David + Pablo than I do in Disney Execs.

That's entirely fair and i'm not against family friendly or more child accessible Star Wars. My problem is that this show is now effecting the core trilogy many adults enjoy in a fundamental way. Its place in the timeline means it has to be done right. If this were set after Jakku or during the prequel era or at least didnt tie into the OT at all then I would be completely content with the show. Whereas I don't expect the show to go the same dark route as Rogue One which is clearly more geared towards adults, I do expect the same level of writing even in a family friendly way. Your words do give me a lot of faith in the show, I really don't think they'll screw it up.

Its just that i've seen shows like Avatar the Last Airbender and Adventure Time and Dr Who that are kids shows (and yes Dr. Who is in that category) that despite being for kids are incredibly well developed filled to the brim with complex dynamics and writing. Rebels has a ton of issues from poor characterization and diminishing the Empire to terrible choices like the Listening ship blowing up from a data overload. Through all of that there is so much to love about the show. All of the characters are fantastic, the Ghost is an incredible design, and the visuals are gorgeous. The Voice cast is impeccable. Some of my favorite moments not just in Rebels but in Star Wars as a whole have been in Rebels so I don't hate it at all. I love Rebels and that is perhaps this is why i'm doubly hard on it. 

Rebels could be absolutely incredible. However things such as plot armor, and honestly holding back punches in a way the Clone Wars never did holds back the show for me. 

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I still like the show, but I am very cautious about the quality of the Disney material. Let's face it, they might be big Star Wars fans, but their Star Wars is not necessarily my Star Wars. Not even talking about episode 7 ("Let's just do the complete OT storyline again in one movie", and of course after The New Order comes The FIRST Order... Really?).

11 waves of XWing without the fan-favorite Assault Gunboat? Let's be realistic here, it will never be brought back officially because it does not fit the Disney design concept. But these things are "my" Star Wars. I have been socialised with the XWing and TIE Fighter games, the D6 RPG, and the better parts of the EU (the worst parts are kindly wiped from memory). I want to get that feeling from these products back, and thankfully Armada delivers so far. But I do not trust Disney to do so consistently as there was already some dissappointment...

Therefore I remain sceptically-enthusiastic until Saturday...

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I am wondering if & who the new bad guy will be in season 4...

Im hoping Vader shows up again to be fair. Vader vs Asoka, Kanan & Ezra & he kills them all 😈

Is s4 supposed to be the last? If so I'm assuming it will be a rogue one tie-in at the end.

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5 hours ago, RocketPropelledGiraffe said:

I still like the show, but I am very cautious about the quality of the Disney material. Let's face it, they might be big Star Wars fans, but their Star Wars is not necessarily my Star Wars. Not even talking about episode 7 ("Let's just do the complete OT storyline again in one movie", and of course after The New Order comes The FIRST Order... Really?).

11 waves of XWing without the fan-favorite Assault Gunboat? Let's be realistic here, it will never be brought back officially because it does not fit the Disney design concept. But these things are "my" Star Wars. I have been socialised with the XWing and TIE Fighter games, the D6 RPG, and the better parts of the EU (the worst parts are kindly wiped from memory). I want to get that feeling from these products back, and thankfully Armada delivers so far. But I do not trust Disney to do so consistently as there was already some dissappointment...

Therefore I remain sceptically-enthusiastic until Saturday...

The problem, in my opinion, is that if people keep thinking "this isn't my Star Wars", they're never going to truly learn to enjoy the new material for Star Wars that Disney is putting out. They have to appeal to as many people as possible. Long-time fans, casual fans, and new fans. So anyone that comes in to watch Rebels thinking "this better be like how I always liked/remembered Star Wars to be" is automatically setting themselves up for failure and a bad time. Same can be said for the new movies. Have to prove you can do the old stuff right (aka, doing a variation of A New Hope) before you can branch out to show the Star Wars audience something new (which hopefully The Last Jedi will be).

Also, the Assault Gunboat is a fan favorite? It has a cult following, I'll give you that. Especially here on the forums. But I personally doubt the majority of Star Wars fans these days have even heard of the Assault Gunboat.

But hey, good to hear you're skeptically-enthusiastic about the finale for season 3. Hopefully means it will pleasantly surprise you.

The assault gunboat is also hideous and belongs nowhere near the glorious TIE line of ships.

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No question, I am fully aware that it is important to appeal to new, young people and for them Star Wars is often essentially defined by the Clone Wars and related stuff. I can still enjoy these things, but it never feels quite the same. I am propably just getting old... Let's see what Saturday has to offer for us.

I do not fully agree on the AG, however. I am fully aware that the design does not exactly knock your socks off, I have already described it as boring several times on the forums myself. Still anyone who ever played a Star Wars simulator game knows the ship, and at least in my group everybody wants it.

Anyway, I do not want to start a discussion on the AG, and since the Empire now has Defenders before the battle of Yavin makes the AG obsolete anyway.

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