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We will get Super Star Destroyers in 2018 - Prediction

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Just now, idiewell said:

I think it was more likely that the command crew heard the horrible singing of the space pirates and accidentally hit the ship self-destruct as they were retching...

I like this, i like this a lot.

It must be exactly what happened.

Lets make this canon

^_^:D 

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Officer: "Sir there is a craft approaching"

Captain: "Contact the ship"

Pirates: "Singing so horrible it has been censored"

*crew is retching*

Ship: *alarms blare, all crew evacuate*

Pirates: "hey guys! They are abandoning ship! Lets take it!!!"

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You don't even need the reactor to be anywhere near critical. You just need radiation leak requiring immediate medical treatment to prevent lasting effects. Then the ship neads to be purged of the radiation. The pirates show up dressed as the Imperial hazmat cleanup team, and Bob's your uncle, you got an SSD. All the need to do is set and activate the Hyperdrive. You dont need even the skeleton crew to do that.

 

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12 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

You don't even need the reactor to be anywhere near critical. You just need radiation leak requiring immediate medical treatment to prevent lasting effects. Then the ship neads to be purged of the radiation. The pirates show up dressed as the Imperial hazmat cleanup team, and Bob's your uncle, you got an SSD. All the need to do is set and activate the Hyperdrive. You dont need even the skeleton crew to do that.

 

(DISCLAIMER: this is only my frustrations, take seriously at your own risk)

Why.... do people not understand?!?

Ok heres the thing, a SSD is the size of a SMALL-MEDIUM sized CITY designed to be FULLY CONTAINED environments that can last 10 YEARS IF NECESSARY IN SPACE. As the flagships of the imperial navy they were DESIGNED to do a variety of roles, including system patrols in outlying systems where they may have to patrol for long periods with an ESCORT,  so any possible system failure was accounted for and a way to isolate, contain and repair the failure was made. While obviously for major failures a repair yard or maintenence vessel is needed, 'small' failures could be repaired as it goes.

Now depending on your classification, a reactor leak is either major or small.

MAJOR: so the ship contains the leak to a sertain section of the ship with its Airtight blast doors, then the gas is vented from that section, the crew is moved to the medical facility via droids, then the ship itself heads to the nearest shipyards to be repaired, to have the surviving crew checked, the ship to be purged, repairs made, etc.

If this was to happen in a random area of space a "help" message would be broadcasted and since this is an SSD we are talking about a support vessel would be dispatched ASAP to help, while the ISD or other escort ship would do its job and protect the SSD from being approached by anything except the official support/maintenance  ship.

If this would to be classified as a small incident however....

"The pirates show up as imperial hazmat cleanup crew" ok fine, how do i counter this?

- droids

- self contained= they have their own clean up crews, theres a reason even normal star destroyers are crewed with over 30,000 crew, of which 20,000 or more are 'enlisted', 9,000 are stormtroopers and the rest are officers. The enlisted include maintenance, cleanup, pilots, etc.

- redudancies in the system, I.E. airtight blast doors, ventilation to remove the gas, medical facilities 

This is where i struggle to understand how in any way someone could take control of a SSD,or even to an extent a ISD without blasting huge sections of it into oblivion or venting the ship.

Fighting? So you have to get a large number of pirates onto the ship, check every room as you go and prevent most blaster damage while killing the crew.

Venting the ship or blasting it? So you now have a hugely damaged ship to repair and man before you can use, watchout for anyone who survived to stab you in the back

Systems failure? So a hyperadvanced, ulternate version of humanity is building these massive spaceships that have been refined over hundreds and thousands of years with systems prone to/easily tricked into failing without any sort of backup or redundant systems???? Right......

Somehow disabling the SSD from inside then flying to it? So are you just gonna ignore the escorts or take those out as well? And if you can do that then these pirates have more resources on hand than the entire rebellion...

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On 3/10/2017 at 7:44 AM, Beatty said:

I still predict we won't see the Executor because it's still too big for the scale of the game. But nothing wrong with wishlisting as long as everyone understands we don't always get what we want.

 

Another SSD is still likely.

An SSD at or near the scale of the X-Wing Raider is proven to work within the 6x3 table size format.  A to-scale version of an SSD to an ID (roughly 8 times the length and significantly thicker) can't be realistically added to this game even with an expansion of the table size. Just the packaging size would make it almost impossible to stock in normal game stores. 

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8 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

An SSD at or near the scale of the X-Wing Raider is proven to work within the 6x3 table size format.  A to-scale version of an SSD to an ID (roughly 8 times the length and significantly thicker) can't be realistically added to this game even with an expansion of the table size. 

The Brass Star Destroyer theory - while supporting the notion of an 8x ISD length Executor:

 

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-mysteries-exacting-executor-measurements

 

does not appear to be canon - all new canon reference works so far, have gone with the 19km (11.875x ISD length) Executor length.

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13 hours ago, Marinealver said:

I' will just be happy with Executor Super Star Destroyer and Viscount Mon Calamari Star Defender.

And that is really the missing piece of the puzzle at the moment.... we need to see that huge Mon Calamari technology show up in some form.    If they do it in Rebels, then they will have to explain why it isn't present at the Battle of Endor.   If they do it post-endor, then they need to explain why it isn't at the Battle of Jakku - (Though to be fair the Starhawk should be pretty large and extremely formidable, considering the damage a single Starhawk did to the Ravager in Empire's End).  I think more likely, we'll see the Mon Calamari develop a mega huge ship for Episode 8 or 9.  

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12 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

An SSD at or near the scale of the X-Wing Raider is proven to work within the 6x3 table size format.  A to-scale version of an SSD to an ID (roughly 8 times the length and significantly thicker) can't be realistically added to this game even with an expansion of the table size. Just the packaging size would make it almost impossible to stock in normal game stores. 

That's why I said I can still see an SSD. But the Executor at that scale would be very silly looking and look extremely off putting if it was done. (To be at scale to the ISD it would have to be over 6 feet and by some sources up to 9 feet. No ship is at exact scale but that is a huge leap even for Armada.)

 

But I went through all that in pages of discussion with diagrams and statistics over and over in the SSD thread. We don't need to rehash the whole argument again in one more SSD thread.

 

I just have no idea as to why there's another thread on the SSD? It's a topic that's relatively dead.

Edited by Beatty

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1 hour ago, Crabbok said:

And that is really the missing piece of the puzzle at the moment.... we need to see that huge Mon Calamari technology show up in some form.    If they do it in Rebels, then they will have to explain why it isn't present at the Battle of Endor.   If they do it post-endor, then they need to explain why it isn't at the Battle of Jakku - (Though to be fair the Starhawk should be pretty large and extremely formidable, considering the damage a single Starhawk did to the Ravager in Empire's End).  I think more likely, we'll see the Mon Calamari develop a mega huge ship for Episode 8 or 9.  

That would actually be a cool story arc on Rebels if they pull a reverse of the Malevolence. A rebel cell has a massive Mon Cala ship that is tormenting Imperial shipping lanes until eventually the empire destroys it. 

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9 hours ago, D503 said:

At least they didn't put both of them in the starter box.

i can see why WotC did that for their starship game. With that awful random mini boosters model that so many games tried and only pathfinder was the one that succeeded they would have to release a special expansion. And special expansion work against randomization boosters. 

2 hours ago, Crabbok said:

And that is really the missing piece of the puzzle at the moment.... we need to see that huge Mon Calamari technology show up in some form.    If they do it in Rebels, then they will have to explain why it isn't present at the Battle of Endor.   If they do it post-endor, then they need to explain why it isn't at the Battle of Jakku - (Though to be fair the Starhawk should be pretty large and extremely formidable, considering the damage a single Starhawk did to the Ravager in Empire's End).  I think more likely, we'll see the Mon Calamari develop a mega huge ship for Episode 8 or 9.  

The Raider has yet to show up in any of the shows yet here it is. They don't need to wait for Disney to put it in one of their products. They could simply pitch it to Disney. After all the Raider was made after the Disney buyout. A Super Start Destroyer would be the first expansion and a Mon Calmari Star Defender can be just like the Imperial Raider was for X-wing, only instead of a home grown ship it was a Legends ship that they could make up any story. Heck they could even make a home grown ship and call it something else.

As far as wave goes I don't think a Super Star Destroyer would be part of a wave, but I could se it co released with the Rebel Flag ship from Rogue One, with Wave 6 being a single model (Rebel Flagship) and a special Super Star Destroyer expansion following shortly.

Edited by Marinealver

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On 10-3-2017 at 3:48 PM, KevinBakon said:

I think you're right. We'll see them sometime. They'll cost a fortune and they'll be lots of fun. 

However, let me unleash my nerd rage for a moment. Jovial pirates...stole a super star destroyer? Aren't there thousands and thousands of personnel aboard each one? How could a group of cheerful pirates possibly have the resources to pull that off? I doubt the Rebels would even have the manpower to keep one, but Johnny Depp does? These are the shenanigans that make the Empire look like Keystone Cops...and it implies the new expanded universe will have just as much dumb stuff as the old one  

/nerdrantover 

So true, I sometimes doubt the mental health of certain starwars writers. :)

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1 hour ago, Beatty said:

That's why I said I can still see an SSD. But the Executor at that scale would be very silly looking and look extremely off putting if it was done. (To be at scale to the ISD it would have to be over 6 feet and by some sources up to 9 feet. No ship is at exact scale but that is a huge leap even for Armada.)

 

But I went through all that in pages of discussion with diagrams and statistics over and over in the SSD thread. We don't need to rehash the whole argument again in one more SSD thread.

 

I just have no idea as to why there's another thread on the SSD? It's a topic that's relatively dead.

Because there is new information on SSDs.  They are heavily discussed in the latest book, and it's extremely likely we'll see at least one of them in the next movie, possibly even in rebels.  

And for the record I'd be perfectly happy with a 3-5 foot Executor or Eclipse.  

Oh, and they are calling SSD's "Dreadnoughts" now.  So when it eventually gets mentioned in Rebels, don't confuse it for the Katana fleet.  The last 3 Star Wars books I've read refer to them as Dreadnaughts.  I don't believe this distinction is random.  I believe it's deliberate and may possibly be geared toward the good guys getting a similar sized canon starship, that doesn't have to be called  "Super Star Destroyer".   By clarifying that they are all categorized as "Dreadnoughts", it makes documenting them and discussing them easier.  

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It's from the Anaxes war college system rating, Crabbok.  Anything from 2,000 to 5,000 meters was classified as a Battlecruiser, and anything larger than 5,000 meters was called a Dreadnought.

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3 hours ago, Beatty said:

That's why I said I can still see an SSD. But the Executor at that scale would be very silly looking and look extremely off putting if it was done. (To be at scale to the ISD it would have to be over 6 feet and by some sources up to 9 feet. No ship is at exact scale but that is a huge leap even for Armada.)

I've seen some pics of an armada type game that had out of scale Eclipse dreadnought. And yes while it was a bit odd it wasn't any worse than the current sizing issues we have with current ships (blockade runner, etc)

 

A model that is 2-2.5 times bigger than an ISD would be fine no?

Edited by ISD Avenger

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2 hours ago, Crabbok said:

Because there is new information on SSDs.  They are heavily discussed in the latest book, and it's extremely likely we'll see at least one of them in the next movie, possibly even in rebels.  

And for the record I'd be perfectly happy with a 3-5 foot Executor or Eclipse.  

Oh, and they are calling SSD's "Dreadnoughts" now.  So when it eventually gets mentioned in Rebels, don't confuse it for the Katana fleet.  The last 3 Star Wars books I've read refer to them as Dreadnaughts.  I don't believe this distinction is random.  I believe it's deliberate and may possibly be geared toward the good guys getting a similar sized canon starship, that doesn't have to be called  "Super Star Destroyer".   By clarifying that they are all categorized as "Dreadnoughts", it makes documenting them and discussing them easier.  

Also if there was a dreadnought sized ship for the rebels to act as a counterpart to the Super Star Destroyer, there really is no requirement to calling the Rebel "dreadnought" the  Star Defender or even Viscoount. Where as the Super Star Destroyer is firmly named Executor. The Rebel Super-ship could easily be called a Star Dreadnought.

Although since the Rebels are the "good guys" and with Imperials embracing titles such as "Corrupter" and "Insidious" Star Defender sounds more PC for those Left Wing Extremists.:P

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ISD Avenger I'd seriously have to see it honestly. If they made the Executor class at the Raider size (from X-Wing) the bridge would be just about the size of the bridge on the Light Cruiser. I wouldn't be able to get that image out of my head and it would bug me. 

 

But if they forgot canon they could just increase the bridge size and make it out of scale to the rest of the ship to make it more pleasing to the eye but then we will have another issue.

 

the Executor is seriously really really really big and I just don't think players realize just how big it is.

Edited by Beatty

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9 minutes ago, Beatty said:

ISD Avenger I'd seriously have to see it honestly. If they made the Executor class at the Raider size (from X-Wing) the bridge would be just about the size of the bridge on the Light Cruiser. I wouldn't be able to get that image out of my head and it would bug me. 

 

But if they forgot canon they could just increase the bridge size and make it out of scale to the rest of the ship to make it more pleasing to the eye but then we will have another issue.

 

the Executor is seriously really really really big and I just don't think players realize just how big it is.

Too late. I can't fit a CR-90 in the launch bay of an Imperial Class Star Destroyer. And I can't get that out of my head after seeing the first movie. 

Seriously strict adherence to scale for both X-wing and Armada has been abandoned completely. You argument that "It would be bigger in real life" is a moot point by now. Totally irrelevant, and has no place here. Heck even the proportions of the Armada ISD is out of scale especially when comparing it to the Die-cast souvenirs that Disney sells which could be fitted to the large armada base.

Edited by Marinealver

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50 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

I've seen some pics of an armada type game that had out of scale Eclipse dreadnought. And yes while it was a bit odd it wasn't any worse than the current sizing issues we have with current ships (blockade runner, etc)

Agreed.   At most it only needs to be 2-3 times larger to appear absolutely gigantic on a 6x3 or even a 9x3 table. 

Sliding scale on these smaller play spaces makes ships appear much bigger and smaller relative to each other than they actually are.   Having an exact to-scale ship would actually look either too large or to small for the play area. 

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