Are triple T70's viable?

[Codes 20]

16 minutes ago, Stefan said:

Why not leave the shields and upgrade Ello to Poe? Exactly 12 points.

Why? Well, because I never thought of that. I think I like it though.

[Rogue3 111]

I built this list today while prepping for an upcoming tournament,

 

Poe Dameron — T-70 X-Wing	68
Heroic	1
R4 Astromech	2
Integrated S-Foils	0
Black One	2
Ship Total: 73
Half Points: 37 Threshold: 4
Temmin Wexley — T-70 X-Wing	54
Heroic	1
BB Astromech	4
Integrated S-Foils	0
Ship Total: 59
Half Points: 30 Threshold: 4
Lieutenant Bastian — T-70 X-Wing	48
M9-G8	7
Integrated S-Foils	0
Ship Total: 55
Half Points: 28 Threshold: 4 Thoughts? Apologies if someone has posted this list before

[arctic_rogue 24]

Have you considered Temmin with composure?

Edited February 4, 2019 by arctic_rogue

[Rogue3 111]

12 minutes ago, arctic_rogue said:

Have you considered Temmin with composure?

I have, but I have found in all my games with Snap I have been in barely any situations where I could trigger composure, where I trigger heroic a lot more. As well I only fly Rebels and Resistance (and soon Republic) so I never bought the Scum Falcon to get composure  

[arctic_rogue 24]

I fly snap with Jess and keep him close.  I get multiple triggers a game.

[Stefan 732]

I flew this yesterday:

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

Nien Nunb (55)
Heroic (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

Lieutenant Bastian (48)
M9-G8 (7)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Total: 197

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

I'm still not really sold either on the HLC or Bastian. The former are too dependent on the Bullseye arc on high ranges for my taste, and the latter really wants ordnance. My flying style is rather to get in close and then fire. Maybe more like this?

Poe Dameron (68)
Predator (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Advanced Optics (4)
Black One (2)

Nien Nunb (55)
Predator (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)

Temmin Wexley (54)
Composure (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Advanced Optics (4)

Total: 199

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Idea is to keep wings closed, use the linked actions/composure for focus and then pump 4 red dice into the ****ers.

[arctic_rogue 24]

24 minutes ago, Stefan said:

I flew this yesterday:

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

Nien Nunb (55)
Heroic (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)

Lieutenant Bastian (48)
M9-G8 (7)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Total: 197

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

I'm still not really sold either on the HLC or Bastian. The former are too dependent on the Bullseye arc on high ranges for my taste, and the latter really wants ordnance. My flying style is rather to get in close and then fire. Maybe more like this?

Poe Dameron (68)
Predator (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Advanced Optics (4)
Black One (2)

Nien Nunb (55)
Predator (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)

Temmin Wexley (54)
Composure (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Advanced Optics (4)

Total: 199

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Idea is to keep wings closed, use the linked actions/composure for focus and then pump 4 red dice into the ****ers.

I think advanced optics could be better used.   If you want to be close, you should be able to get bullseye which makes AO harder to proc.

[Tyhar7 402]

On 2/4/2019 at 2:31 AM, Rogue3 said:

I have, but I have found in all my games with Snap I have been in barely any situations where I could trigger composure, where I trigger heroic a lot more. As well I only fly Rebels and Resistance (and soon Republic) so I never bought the Scum Falcon to get composure  

Fly him behind a lower ini ship. Bastian in your case, you can force it to trigger quite regularly that way.  

[Stefan 732]

On 2/5/2019 at 12:34 PM, arctic_rogue said:

I think advanced optics could be better used.   If you want to be close, you should be able to get bullseye which makes AO harder to proc.

What do you mean?

[Magnus Grendel 11,679]

1 hour ago, Stefan said:

What do you mean?

Advanced Optics only gives you benefits if you roll at least one blank and no focus results (because if you rolled a focus you could spend the token normally).

The more dice you roll (and reroll) the less likely that is, because every die rolled has a 1/4 chance of coming up 

It's a great upgrade for people who can get modify  results some other way (like Kylo Ren's force tokens or Fanatical, or an upsilon with Perceptive co-pilot, who can spend one token 'normally' and one on Advanced Optics) and also not bad on a 2-dice attack, where a single blank and no  isn't that unlikely, but the value on a 3-dice ship drops quite a lot.

Edited February 7, 2019 by Magnus Grendel

[arctic_rogue 24]

1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Advanced Optics only gives you benefits if you roll at least one blank and no focus results (because if you rolled a focus you could spend the token normally).

The more dice you roll (and reroll) the less likely that is, because every die rolled has a 1/4 chance of coming up 

It's a great upgrade for people who can get modify  results some other way (like Kylo Ren's force tokens or Fanatical, or an upsilon with Perceptive co-pilot, who can spend one token 'normally' and one on Advanced Optics) and also not bad on a 2-dice attack, where a single blank and no  isn't that unlikely, but the value on a 3-dice ship drops quite a lot.

Well said. 

 

[Bucknife 1,801]

On 1/28/2019 at 8:54 AM, Ninotik said:

 

Has anyone tested prorockets on Nien? he can go full mod thanks to PA. Also prorockets adds more flexibility cause they ara range 1-2

 

I think it would be amazing on some matchups and useless on others...namely any match against other aces that out-bid your list. 

Right now, it really looks like (to me) that the Resistance aces cannot put out the damage they need without going full 200 points and cutting the bid. 

All the bidding lists I've run either couldn't bid deep enough (right now against scum), or didn't matter because there were higher aces moving after them anyway (Midnight+Quickdraw). 

FO is the main force keeping my Residence I5s OUT of the bidding war right now. 

I'm straight-up just planning on moving first at this point, and happy whenever I can use those shenanigans to just ace some generics. 

Edited February 7, 2019 by Bucknife

[Stefan 732]

20 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Advanced Optics only gives you benefits if you roll at least one blank and no focus results (because if you rolled a focus you could spend the token normally).

The more dice you roll (and reroll) the less likely that is, because every die rolled has a 1/4 chance of coming up 

It's a great upgrade for people who can get modify  results some other way (like Kylo Ren's force tokens or Fanatical, or an upsilon with Perceptive co-pilot, who can spend one token 'normally' and one on Advanced Optics) and also not bad on a 2-dice attack, where a single blank and no  isn't that unlikely, but the value on a 3-dice ship drops quite a lot.

Thanks. So what would you tack on?

[Magnus Grendel 11,679]

1 hour ago, Stefan said:

Thanks. So what would you tack on?

It's a point more, but you can't go far wrong with pattern analyser. With an R4 astromech, Poe can clear stress pretty easily, so being able to talon roll or Koiogran and still get (one!) action opens up his dial a lot. Blue Move/White Action/Red Action every turn is great and all, but sometimes you are just facing the wrong way, and pattern analyser lets you do something about that without either giving up your tokens for the turn or triggering Black One and buggering up your next turn with an ion token.

For that matter, it even pairs well with Black One itself - you could do a blue or white move then trigger Black One and SLAM into a Talon Roll but still get an action thanks to Pattern Analyser (or even two if you don't mind being double-stressed and use Poe's ability) , allowing for proper Takodana/D'Qar high-speed J-turns.

[arctic_rogue 24]

2 hours ago, Stefan said:

Thanks. So what would you tack on?

Daredevil on Nien makes for interesting flexibility.  R3 on Nien allows him to gain 2 locks and reduces the need for him to do as many red maneuvers to maintain double mods.

[Stefan 732]

So, I'm thinking about this:

Poe Dameron (68)
Predator (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Nien Nunb (55)
Daredevil (3)
BB Astromech (5)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Temmin Wexley (54)
Composure (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Total: 197

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Or I could strip Poe down to Heroic, and invest four points in another BB unit for Temmin?

[arctic_rogue 24]

2 hours ago, Stefan said:

So, I'm thinking about this:

Poe Dameron (68)
Predator (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Nien Nunb (55)
Daredevil (3)
BB Astromech (5)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Temmin Wexley (54)
Composure (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Total: 197

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Or I could strip Poe down to Heroic, and invest four points in another BB unit for Temmin?

That looks good.   Have you given thought to.how you'll get composure to trigger more often?

[ayedubbleyoo 332]

This jamming beam thing is going to get annoying. 

[knute 81]

I think at this point quad T-70s will probably be better. Gold Squadron Podcast had a video batrep with this list:

Blue Squadron Rookie (46)
BB Astromech (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Blue Squadron Rookie (46)
BB Astromech (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Jessika Pava (52)
BB Astromech (3)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Lieutenant Bastian (48)
BB Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Total: 199

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

It won, but just barely. The list does put out a *ton* of red dice against a single target if you can get it set up, which you usually can with the added maneuverability of the BB astromechs. Bonus: it's Hyperspace legal. 

[Magnus Grendel 11,679]

6 hours ago, knute said:

Bonus: it's Hyperspace legal.

On ‎2‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 11:43 PM, ayedubbleyoo said:

This jamming beam thing is going to get annoying. 

Jamming Beam isn't hyperspace legal.

But yes, 4 T-70s with BB Astromechs is a nice one - plus it offers Jess Pava a 'cheap' charge-loaded astromech to Great Destroyer with.

 

[Stefan 732]

On 2/8/2019 at 8:16 PM, Stefan said:

So, I'm thinking about this:

Poe Dameron (68)
Predator (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Nien Nunb (55)
Daredevil (3)
BB Astromech (5)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Temmin Wexley (54)
Composure (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Hardpoint: Cannon (0)
Jamming Beam (0)

Total: 197

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Or I could strip Poe down to Heroic, and invest four points in another BB unit for Temmin?

Tried this yesterday. Bad idea. Temmin can't intentionally fail the Boost on his squadmates. That basically makes him useless in this config.

[wurms 5,313]

11 minutes ago, Stefan said:

Tried this yesterday. Bad idea. Temmin can't intentionally fail the Boost on his squadmates. That basically makes him useless in this config.

Why cant he?

[Tyhar7 402]

7 hours ago, Stefan said:

Tried this yesterday. Bad idea. Temmin can't intentionally fail the Boost on his squadmates. That basically makes him useless in this config.

Been playing tournaments using him exactly that way. Works fine.

You can't intentionally fail a target lock, you have to target a obstacle if its in range. FFg applied that to stop abuse of getting range info and triggering composure.

Nothing stopping you using boost or barrel roll into a rock and failing.

Works the same on L'ulo. You can fail your Red boost to get stressed.

Composure would be even more useless card if you had to prove you had no intent.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2019 by Tyhar7

[Stefan 732]

21 hours ago, wurms said:

Why cant he?

Because he flies before his comrades and can't bump into them.

14 hours ago, Tyhar7 said:

Been playing tournaments using him exactly that way. Works fine.

You can't intentionally fail a target lock, you have to target a obstacle if its in range. FFg applied that to stop abuse of getting range info and triggering composure.

Nothing stopping you using boost or barrel roll into a rock and failing.

Works the same on L'ulo. You can fail your Red boost to get stressed.

Composure would be even more useless card if you had to prove you had no intent.

I do not really want to have an asteroid where I can boost into it, though, and failing a Barrel roll doesn't net me anything - could have just done regular focus. Only in combo with a BB unit. How are you doing it?

[Tyhar7 402]

3 hours ago, Stefan said:

Because he flies before his comrades and can't bump into them.

I do not really want to have an asteroid where I can boost into it, though, and failing a Barrel roll doesn't net me anything - could have just done regular focus. Only in combo with a BB unit. How are you doing it?

Right okay I understand you a little more clearly. Your statement appeared like Temmin with composure was not a legal mechanic. 

Yes fly Snap with higher initiative ships doesn't work well and in the list above it's not great. 

However you can still use obstacles by flying close to them rather than straight at them. Notably in the unfortunate moments you gauge the distance wrong and land on the obstacles Snaps ability still triggers to get you off of it.  

That all said I'm running Temmin with Jess, Bastian and L'ulo so I'm not having an issue triggering his ability. 

Edited February 14, 2019 by Tyhar7