Facts (or Read Before Posting)

[WonderWAAAGH 7,153]

I recommend we all take a break and go eat whichever pastries we're partial to. 

Except for anything with meringue, because that's gross and you're wrong. Or that's wrong and you're gross. Either way. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by WonderWAAAGH

[johnwiser 31]

And please share with us the facts that you wish to provide? All of you who come here only to post negative replies and state these are not facts. Go ahead, please, you seem to have all of the facts let us hear them and we can reply on how they are not facts. Give it a try...

[WonderWAAAGH 7,153]

"The only true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing."

[LordFajubi 1,308]

9 minutes ago, WonderWAAAGH said:

"The only true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing."

"All we are is dust in the wind"

[Buhallin 4,563]

54 minutes ago, johnwiser said:

And please share with us the facts that you wish to provide? All of you who come here only to post negative replies and state these are not facts. Go ahead, please, you seem to have all of the facts let us hear them and we can reply on how they are not facts. Give it a try...

I'm not claiming any particular set of facts.  I can state my opinion that, for instance, the Saga sets did not come directly from FFG.  I can provide the reasons why I believe they've impacted overall availability.  I have never claimed them as facts.

If someone wants to express their opinions on these things, fine - we can disagree.  But claiming them as fact, which the OP did in a very loud and obnoxious manner, complete with a declaration that his claims were required reading before posting, is simply untrue.  They remain untrue whether I provide some set of facts to satisfy your demands or not.

The facts that we actually have are limited.  FFG didn't print enough to satisfy demand.  What they did print wasn't all ready on the original release date, and trickled in.  A number of sites are offering non-randomized product such as singles or TC's Saga sets.  These things are fact.  Why wasn't enough printed?  Was it even possible for FFG to have printed more without pushing back SoR?  Did the singles sales affect availability?  These answers to these questions are opinions and analysis.

Contrary to the OP's rather typical attempts at deflection, I don't have any problem with what he is saying.  What I have a problem with is how he chose to present it, which is self-aggrandizing at best and downright dishonest at worst.

Edited February 25, 2017 by Buhallin

[amrothe 155]

I think FFG didn't realize that they had magic in a bottle (pun intended) I think we are looking at the alpha set of a very long lasting game. The pace of the game is really amazing its so different then every other ccg i've played. The people know who didn't get a complete set and are realizing they may never get it for cheap are bummed out. A few store owners are regretting selling the booster boxes for 85$, but CCG's come and go and usually dont last. I think certain cards will become extremely valuable. If people want in on the game I'd suggest buying awakenings now not waiting for a limtied print run and praying they get cards as the game gets bigger those boxes could be sold for $300+ instead of the 200 ish they are now. 

[soviet prince 105]

I also wonder why they don't have a mod for these sites

[Amanal 2,557]

5 hours ago, WonderWAAAGH said:

I recommend we all take a break and go eat whichever pastries we're partial to. 

Except for anything with meringue, because that's gross and you're wrong. Or that's wrong and you're gross. Either way. 

Ohhhh you are so wrong, Pavalova, the most awesome of Australian deserts. You haven't lived until you have a kiwi fruit, strawberry and passion fruit Pavalova.

 

 

[[Ace] 6]

14 hours ago, Buhallin said:

So just to make sure...

You post a bunch of stuff that doesn't even qualify as consensus opinion - it's pretty much just your own personal opinion and unfounded speculation.  You declare it as fact throughout, loudly and pretentiously.  When you get called on that you say that it is factual because a majority of people share that opinion (which is itself a completely baseless claim).

But I'm the one trolling?  Yeah, sure.

Where did the bolded part happen?

I think you guys are being way too harsh on him for him using the word "fact" to convey "what he thought was forum consensus." Even assuming he was 100% incorrect, his intentions (to compile complaints into a single thread) were good, so I am not sure why there is so much venom being thrown towards him. The cake/pie and beet/bear parts should have been big clues he was not completely serious and trying to make draconian declarative statements.

[Stone37 3,353]

On 2/24/2017 at 7:54 PM, LordFajubi said:

"All we are is dust in the wind"

 

[LordFajubi 1,308]

I was waiting for someone to come back with "like sands in the hour glass so are the days of our lives" ?

[Amanal 2,557]

1 hour ago, LordFajubi said:

I was waiting for someone to come back with "like sands in the hour glass so are the days of our lives" ?

What's that from?

I am either too old or "so un-hip my bottom will fall off"

[LordFajubi 1,308]

Bill and Ted's excellent adventure, classic 80's-90's comedy.

[Mep 2,291]

Or umm, Days of Our Lives ..... sorry, mom was a stay at home mom who loved that crap.

[LordFajubi 1,308]

Just now, Mep said:

Or umm, Days of Our Lives ..... sorry, mom was a stay at home mom who loved that crap.

I assumed he meant the quoted string I was referencing but my mother watched it too. One of it not the longest running day time soap, been on like 50 some years I believe.

[Keigi 24]

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 at 9:02 AM, [Ace] said:

Where did the bolded part happen?

I think you guys are being way too harsh on him for him using the word "fact" to convey "what he thought was forum consensus." Even assuming he was 100% incorrect, his intentions (to compile complaints into a single thread) were good, so I am not sure why there is so much venom being thrown towards him. The cake/pie and beet/bear parts should have been big clues he was not completely serious and trying to make draconian declarative statements.

I have issue with it because people don't know the difference between fact and fiction. Then they argue that their fiction is fact. Read the thread.

[[Ace] 6]

9 hours ago, Keigi said:

I have issue with it because people don't know the difference between fact and fiction. Then they argue that their fiction is fact. Read the thread.

Who are these people? Like people in general? I feel like the OP knows the difference and so do we so I am not sure what your point is or how that justifies people being assholes.

I did read the thread. It quickly became people talking past each other and unwilling to back down off of "OMG you said the word facts when you should have qualified it more."

And just so we are clear, the loud and pretentious part never happened anywhere in the thread.

[Robin Graves 6,054]

On ‎25‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 1:54 AM, LordFajubi said:

"All we are is dust in the wind"

Thanks! Now I got that song stuck in my head...

[Hawkman2000 352]

52 minutes ago, [Ace] said:

Who are these people? Like people in general? I feel like the OP knows the difference and so do we so I am not sure what your point is or how that justifies people being assholes.

Thank you. I've generally avoided this thread since it completely broke down. It's nice that some people can see the point of the thread and understand the general idea I had of it taking away some of the negative posts with the same common issues that people have. As it is, there are now three new threads about today's article when really there doesn't need to be that many. There are no active mods on this board that help herd all the cats here and whereas I'm not mini-modding myself, I was hoping to direct some traffic. 

[Keigi 24]

7 hours ago, [Ace] said:

Who are these people? Like people in general? I feel like the OP knows the difference and so do we so I am not sure what your point is or how that justifies people being assholes.

I did read the thread. It quickly became people talking past each other and unwilling to back down off of "OMG you said the word facts when you should have qualified it more."

And just so we are clear, the loud and pretentious part never happened anywhere in the thread.

 

6 hours ago, Hawkman2000 said:

Thank you. I've generally avoided this thread since it completely broke down. It's nice that some people can see the point of the thread and understand the general idea I had of it taking away some of the negative posts with the same common issues that people have. As it is, there are now three new threads about today's article when really there doesn't need to be that many. There are no active mods on this board that help herd all the cats here and whereas I'm not mini-modding myself, I was hoping to direct some traffic. 

People on this forum and in general. Look at Trump' s alternative facts. Look at the attack on Pewdiepie. 

Hawkman is using the word 'Fact' to credit his opinions. If this was a sticky, an official sticky on supply wound be great, the original post would take advantage of the communities trust.

If it's not a big deal, then omit the word 'fact' before each opnion. Or add 'Alternative' before each use of 'fact'.  That changes it a bit doesn't it?

Again, I think discussion is great. I just don't want false information being propagated as fact.

Edited March 1, 2017 by Keigi

[soviet prince 105]

38 minutes ago, Keigi said:

 

People on this forum and in general. Look at Trump' s alternative facts. Look at the attack on Pewdiepie. 

Hawkman is using the word 'Fact' to credit his opinions. If this was a sticky, an official sticky on supply wound be great, the original post would take advantage of the communities trust.

If it's not a big deal, then omit the word 'fact' before each opnion. Or add 'Alternative' before each use of 'fact'.  That changes it a bit doesn't it?

Again, I think discussion is great. I just don't want false information being propagated as fact.

trump is real world sith apprentice

[Robin Graves 6,054]

9 hours ago, Hawkman2000 said:

Thank you. I've generally avoided this thread since it completely broke down. It's nice that some people can see the point of the thread and understand the general idea I had of it taking away some of the negative posts with the same common issues that people have. As it is, there are now three new threads about today's article when really there doesn't need to be that many. There are no active mods on this board that help herd all the cats here and whereas I'm not mini-modding myself, I was hoping to direct some traffic. 

Yes, concentrating all the anger and (justified) complaints into on thread. A lofty idea but one that can only end in disaster. Get all the angry people into one room, let the pressure build up and...

 

[Hawkman2000 352]

7 hours ago, Keigi said:

 

Hawkman is using the word 'Fact' to credit his opinions. If this was a sticky, an official sticky on supply wound be great, the original post would take advantage of the communities trust.

Everything in the original post is actually factual. 

Did FFG produce enough product to satisfy everyone? No, that's why there's so much complaining on this board and elsewhere. Fact. 

Did SS impact booster box sales? No, because the math doesn't add up to them cracking open box after box to make the sets. Otherwise the market would be flooded with C/UC/R from them. Fact. 

Does FFG miss schedule dates? Yes. Fact. 

Has FFG elected not address the fanbase? Yes, otherwise they would be on this board addressing all the myriad of topics on various issues. Fact. 

Is SoR on the way? Yes. Fact. 

Many areas seeing low turnout for games? Yes. This goes back to the lack product. How many posts are on this board where people say they can't get their friends involved because of a lack of product? Lots. Fact. 

Are the current rules lacking? Yes, that's why there's a number of question threads here and elsewhere on simplistic topics that could have be covered in an advanced rule book. Fact. 

I don't see where you're indicating these items aren't factual. You've been on this board and probably others, these are all topics greatly discussed and present concerns. They are factual in the context of this game. 

[Mep 2,291]

Hawkman you need to stop confusing your facts with facts.

BTW where you went wrong is giving commentary, or your opinion, in the same line as the facts you presented. It made the whole thing look like a fact when it wasn't.