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Poe, Jake and Ahsoka

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I'm afraid it's on the link below as I tried to copy and paste across and had a formatting disaster.

 

http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!86:18,73:7:15:U.27;196:57,-1,3,187:39:15:;222:27:-1:29:&sn=New Squadron

 

General idea is that Ahsoka stays close to one of them, probably Poe, and feeds second actions to him at the start of the combat phase (most likely boost to trigger the black one title and get out of any arcs). If needed she can also escort Jake allowing him to evade or TL as his action and then at the start of the combat phase can focus to barrel roll or boost for 3 actions and no stress or PTL for a 4th. I originally had BMST on Ahsoka but I'm not sure it's worth it, I think she's better as an action feed and saving the points for an initiative bid for matchups against Fenn lists (as I'd still rather move last even with repositioning options in the combat phase.

 

Is this likely to too lightweight for the current meta? I had considered BB-8 PTL Poe but the Asajj stress is likely to shut that down and the rebel aces really need regen options. Could be fun, could be a disaster.

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That is about as tanky a Poe build as you can feasibly make and looks pretty solid. Jake is Jake and Ahsoka provides some solid action economy.

2 minor ideas are as follows. Swap VI on Jake for Juke so he can push a bit more damage through. With Ahsoka allowing him to PTL with an effective PS of 12, he can still reposition effectively. The other option is to consider giving Poe some Plasma torpedoes for a bit of an alpha strike. Ahsoka ensures he can Focus + TL and Predator provides a reroll. Taking the first engagement at Range 3 will also increase the value of Poe's autothrusters.

Going second isn't always advantageous. If you are facing Ventress, she can slap a Stress token on a nearby ship which will spoil Ahsoka's fun (rather appropriately). Of course if you face Fenn and Ventress in the same list (coughParattannicough) then you will have to chose the lesser of two evils.

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That's not a bad idea with Jake but does tie Ashoka to him a little. Munitions on Poe could be fun though but may have to drop the prockrts from Jake.

 

Also hadn't thought of the initiative issue with the free action and Asajj stress. Need a few practice games to see which is the lesser evil

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I like the idea of having all three ships at PS 9, but I would open up Ahsoka instead. She can still put through damage, while getting/giving a bunch of action economy. I have been playing with this list, and if you keep Ahsoka at range three and then arc dodge with her and Jake, you can keep her alive for a long time:

  1. Jake: PTL, Prot Rockets, Awing Test Pilot, Autothrusters, Trick Shot or Adaptability
  2. Ahsoka: PTL,, Sabine's Masterpiece, Twin Ion Engine Mk. II, Recon Specialist
  3. Poe (PS 8): Predator, R2-D2, Sensor Cluster, Black One, Auto-Thrusters

You can fly everyone together, giving actions and boosts/barrel rolls to Jake, recon specialists keeps Ahsoka alive longer by letting her keep a focus and Poe rerolls with predator.

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i hadn't twigged that you could use the ion engine on Ahsoka but I guess it isn't imperial only. I'm more tempted by Rey on Ahsoka in case of blocking then if you can build up the reserves you can still focus and then take one from the stack if needed.

 

As for Jake i've flown him PTL and VI for so long it would feel wrong to do otherwise

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I think there's a lot of potential with this combo of pilots.  The problem with is you really need to pick your spots because the two primary ships aren't going to be able to hang in a toe-to-toe battle with just about anything out there.  I've put together a similar list.

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Push the Limit (3)
R5-P9 (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Jake Farrell (24)
Push the Limit (3)
Proton Rockets (3)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Ahsoka Tano (17)
Veteran Instincts (1)
EMP Device (2)
Captured TIE (1)
Sabine's Masterpiece (1)

Total: 99

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

I really like the EMP Device on Ahsoka because that makes her a threat the entire time, even if she's flying as support.  Your opponent has to take that into consideration on every move.  Also, I think if done correctly, that EMP could provide Poe and/or Jake an opportunity for a round or two of shots without a return shot.  Fly Ahsoka as support, Poe and Jake firing from a distance, next turn zoom Ahsoka ahead with Poe and Jake slow-rolling.  They need to be far enough away to avoid the EMP radius.  Ideally in this scenario, (with my list) Poe could be flying with Ahsoka, jousting, with Jake flanking.  Given that, Poe could K-turn behind the ioned ship(s) with his focus (due to PA), Jake would flank in with focus and TL (due to PtL).  I guess, if it makes sense for a kill shot, Poe could even PtL for the TL and have full mods, but then he'd be double stress and would be out of things for a bit.

I have a couple questions/comments on your build, J Viz...

Why R2-D2 over R5-P9?  Have you found Poe needing to spend his focus?  I've flown Poe a lot with R2-D2 and hated being dial-limited...it usually got him killed more than saved him.

I do really like Sensor Cluster for Poe.  I've never run that on him, but I see the tanky lure.  You have a gauge for how many hits that avoids?

I see Predator as a natural choice over PtL if using SC over PA.  What about Lone Wolf?  Or would that be too limiting, making Ahsoka primarily supporting Jake?

Lastly, are you pushing hard for the 3-point initiative bid, or considering other options for a point or two in there?

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16 hours ago, gennataos said:

I think there's a lot of potential with this combo of pilots.  The problem with is you really need to pick your spots because the two primary ships aren't going to be able to hang in a toe-to-toe battle with just about anything out there.  I've put together a similar list.

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Push the Limit (3)
R5-P9 (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Jake Farrell (24)
Push the Limit (3)
Proton Rockets (3)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Autothrusters (2)
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Ahsoka Tano (17)
Veteran Instincts (1)
EMP Device (2)
Captured TIE (1)
Sabine's Masterpiece (1)

Total: 99

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

I really like the EMP Device on Ahsoka because that makes her a threat the entire time, even if she's flying as support.  Your opponent has to take that into consideration on every move.  Also, I think if done correctly, that EMP could provide Poe and/or Jake an opportunity for a round or two of shots without a return shot.  Fly Ahsoka as support, Poe and Jake firing from a distance, next turn zoom Ahsoka ahead with Poe and Jake slow-rolling.  They need to be far enough away to avoid the EMP radius.  Ideally in this scenario, (with my list) Poe could be flying with Ahsoka, jousting, with Jake flanking.  Given that, Poe could K-turn behind the ioned ship(s) with his focus (due to PA), Jake would flank in with focus and TL (due to PtL).  I guess, if it makes sense for a kill shot, Poe could even PtL for the TL and have full mods, but then he'd be double stress and would be out of things for a bit.

I have a couple questions/comments on your build, J Viz...

Why R2-D2 over R5-P9?  Have you found Poe needing to spend his focus?  I've flown Poe a lot with R2-D2 and hated being dial-limited...it usually got him killed more than saved him.

I do really like Sensor Cluster for Poe.  I've never run that on him, but I see the tanky lure.  You have a gauge for how many hits that avoids?

I see Predator as a natural choice over PtL if using SC over PA.  What about Lone Wolf?  Or would that be too limiting, making Ahsoka primarily supporting Jake?

Lastly, are you pushing hard for the 3-point initiative bid, or considering other options for a point or two in there?

I was thinking about EMP device on my way to work this morning actually, the threat of Ioning a ship off the board if it gets too near the edge is tempting and it would fit.

 

Question wise there are two main reasons I went for R2-D2 over R5-P9

1. Hot Shot Co-Pilot just makes R5-P9 useless as does someone like Wes or Carnor. HSCP was the main reason though, there are a few people in my meta running HSCP Chirineau and it's a horrible matchup with R5-P9

2. Sensor Cluster means I'm likely to be spending the focus on defence (you can get great pleasure out of rolling double blanks against someone like Dengar using At's for one, Sensor Cluster for the other and then regening the third if they had 3 hits).

I'm running this tomorrow at a tourney (but I may add the EMP) so should be 5 games. I've not done this before but I may try to keep count of how many times it triggers.

I'm not so sure on using Lone Wolf as I reckon Jake has more than enough action economy without Ahsoka. She's there more to give Poe a TL or more likely to allow him to focus and then boost to get out of arcs, get better shots and to trigger black one.

Re the initiative bid I had thought of BMST but without a way to hand out stress may not be worth it and also Rey but she is more useful if I'm taking the BMST and want to trigger them and have a focus. Even with movement options in the combat phase I'd much rather have the initiative to make sure I move after Fenn. The 3 pts is a little much v Parattani lists but I think is a bit more needed against Fangaroo.

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Well I ran the list without the EMP device so at 97 points but the initiative bid was not really needed. Only other PS9 I ran into was Whisper with a PS10 Hot Shot Kylo RAC and the PS0 crit was added with Kylo rapidly. Sensor Cluster i'm still undecided about as it didn't trigger as much as I thought it might but it did help me out a few times, pattern analyser may have been the better option to give more movement options.

 

I really need to work on my flying with Poe as in my first two games he went down quickly but luckily Jake was to solo the lists. I really think that the list has potential as my losses were against a VI RAC and Whisper which is a fairly hard counter and a brutal Ketsu and Bossk list. My early wins were against 2 T-70s and 2 TLT Y's and a Kyle Farlander/Autoblaster Turret Kanan list. Final game was against double decimators which I won without taking any damage.

 

So ended 3-2 and won the tourney overall as team members went 4-1 and 3-2 so get my alt-art Ketsu and tractor beam tokens. As I saw a lot of large ships EMP could be good to try to force them off the board but Jake remains worth every one of his 33 points. Spend a whole game dodging the autoblaster/accuracy corrector Kanan build and gradually chipped away at him for the win after Poe got trapped in the corner.

 

There is definite scope for improvements on the Poe build, if I see too many more Kylo Ren's he will be getting determination! Also need to fly Poe and Ahsoka better together as they were quite often separated.

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Thanks for the report!  I'm glad you had a decent amount of success.

I really like an EMP Ahsoka with bombers, but I'm getting less and less enamored with her with aces.  That extra action and even the threat of an EMP isn't enough to make up for only having two guns.  I dropped down to Rex in my Poe/Norra build and like it okay...but just okay.  Rex would end up getting focused early, which is great for Poe and Norra, but would blow up in the first round if a lot of guns were on him.  I'm still not sure if I like that or not.

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I know, it's tricky to figure out what to do with it. Fitting Corran in somewhere would add more firepower but I'm almost more tempted by Rey than the EMP. I had one round against Bossk where everyone ran into him so Ahsoka had no focus but if Rey was there to add the focus at the start of combat phase Jake could have taken a focus action and barrel rolled off Bossk, PTL to TL for a procket shot with no return fire (as was in at the side/behind him). Definitely worth more practice as I get the chance

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Just now, J Viz said:

I know, it's tricky to figure out what to do with it. Fitting Corran in somewhere would add more firepower but I'm almost more tempted by Rey than the EMP. I had one round against Bossk where everyone ran into him so Ahsoka had no focus but if Rey was there to add the focus at the start of combat phase Jake could have taken a focus action and barrel rolled off Bossk, PTL to TL for a procket shot with no return fire (as was in at the side/behind him). Definitely worth more practice as I get the chance

Yeah, I think I had Rey on Ahsoka when I first got the TIE...seems like a natural fit.  Too often when coming up with lists, I think up to the initial encounter, then...who knows what's going to happen.  The EMP is definitely an initial encounter include.  Rey, though...she could be incredibly helpful throughout the game.

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