FFG shortens again

[soviet prince 105]

well it looks like FFG does not know what there doing I mean another "very limited print run"

 

 

[Keigi 24]

How did you get to two of every card?

Seems like demand is greater than supply, sure easy to spot. It's where those cards are going that's important. This is capatailism.

For example, I bought four starter packs at a game shop I visited. I wanted to get two of each starter card.  I paid for them and there was no limit.

Did I think that I might out one, two, or three other people from the game? Not at the time, and It won't change my buying habits in the future.  If I had an issue with lack of players, then maybe I would have. Here is the deal:

How many people have purchased 2+ starters?

How many people have purchased 3+ booster displays?

How many companies have purchased booster displays for singles market?

How many people have their excess singles sold for cash rather than trade?

Supply is one side of the issue. The other side is how that supply is obsorved into the market.

My opinion is few people/companies own the majority of the cards. This is how our system works.

The problem with that is two fold. One, not everyone has product. Two, the people that do have product cannot always play/trade.

You have to work with the system.  I buy saga sets. I pre order months in advance for product. I plan on trading and doing single market. 

These take advanced cash and planning. Both can be of shortage for some people.

My thoughts.

Edited February 19, 2017 by Keigi

[soviet prince 105]

a lot of ppl can not afford to buy saga sets, or singles, this is not the players fault it's 100 percent a failure on ffg not knowing how to run a ccg. 

[Keigi 24]

Just now, soviet prince said:

a lot of ppl can not afford to buy saga sets, or singles, this is not the players fault it's 100 percent a failure on ffg not knowing how to run a ccg. 

Until FFG changes how they distribute product, then it's the best way to take on this ccg. As said, it takes advanced cash and planning.

The point I was trying to make is that the distribution from ffg to player is setup that those with the most money, planning, and luck get the most product. Capatilism.

Aside from FFG stepping in, don't know what they could do, that's that.

[Elblanco 11]

Dude it's a limited print run because they have other sets to print! This is exacty what I thought would happen, and it's a good thing. Between printing each new set enough that the first printing won't be short, they're print a little bit of awakenings to get more of it out there. You'll see this happen for about a year or two until there's a good enough supply built up that the amount of awakenings printed is roughly the same as everything else. They literally don't have the time to do a HUGE print run of awakenings, so they're doing what they can. 

[MrDodger 571]

51 minutes ago, Elblanco said:

Dude it's a limited print run because they have other sets to print! This is exacty what I thought would happen, and it's a good thing. Between printing each new set enough that the first printing won't be short, they're print a little bit of awakenings to get more of it out there. You'll see this happen for about a year or two until there's a good enough supply built up that the amount of awakenings printed is roughly the same as everything else. They literally don't have the time to do a HUGE print run of awakenings, so they're doing what they can. 

They don't have time because they have to rush out a new set? How on earth is this a "good thing"?

[ozmodon 535]

Is this a collectible card game or not?

By my best guess, 1/3 of this set + 1/3 of the next will make good playable deck. If you managed to get more than that then you're Rock Star.

I agree that starters and a reprint of the first set will come after the next release. Maybe even sooner, then everyone will be complaining that they can't get set 2.

[hey_yu 272]

Out of curiosity, where are you getting this limited run information from?

Also, for CCGs it would be interesting to know how companies balance out the supply with the collectibility aspect.  Over saturate the market then the cards aren't worth as much to folks since their will be a numerous supply of them.  Under saturate the market then you'll basically have the issue Destiny is facing now.

[DailyRich 3,346]

30 minutes ago, hey_yu said:

Out of curiosity, where are you getting this limited run information from?

I would assume it came from Toy Fair, which is going on this weekend.

[ScottieATF 2,867]

2 hours ago, MrDodger said:

They don't have time because they have to rush out a new set? How on earth is this a "good thing"?

What's being rushed?  They're bringing out the 2nd set within the time frame you'd expect a second set given the number of expansion they've slated per year.

Compared to other CCG's their rate of expansion releases is actually going to be fairly slow.  The last thing they can afford to have happen is to have players that have bought in opt out due to stagnation.  Those players just won't come back.

Getting SoR will alleviate a large amount of the demand on Awakenings.  Awakenings is not a core set, you do not need it to play the game.  A second set will drop singles prices on Awakenings on average and will also eliminate some of the hoarding your seeing with Awakenings.  A lot of people that have no business putting together complete play sets of each expansion are doing just that for Awakenings.  They're doing it because it's the only thing available right now.  A second set alleviates that and you're going to see players buying less individually of the expansion and not holding onto as much of it as they are now.

[CBMarkham 2,441]

8 hours ago, soviet prince said:

a lot of ppl can not afford to buy saga sets, or singles, this is not the players fault it's 100 percent a failure on ffg not knowing how to run a ccg. 

FFG knows how to be a game company. You have no idea what the process involves. That's why, in your head, they should be able to make a couple of phone calls and magically have all the problems fixed. I assure you, they want to get product back in stores. If there were a reasonable way to make this happen faster, they'd have done it.

FFG made what they thought was a reasonable amount of product for a brand new game, and didn't correctly gauge how much interest there would be based on the very high quality of the SW brand + the Destiny system. It's an amazing combo and demand exceeded their expectation. Had they done it the other way around and made too much product before they knew what the demand was, they'd have risked over investing and losing a lot of money. I'm sure that in their situation, you'd have magically known the exact correct amount of product to put out into the market. Kudos to you. 

If you actually have any interest in this game growing, using these forums to try and convince people that FFG is full of idiots isn't a great way to help. Instead, share what cards are available in your community with your community, try to keep people interested, and when product becomes available again, try and spread awareness and get people to come back and take a look at what is obviously a great game.

The situation sucks. FFG knows it sucks. They're sorry it sucks. They're trying to fix it now. Hush.

[Starbane 301]

8 hours ago, soviet prince said:

a lot of ppl can not afford to buy saga sets, or singles, this is not the players fault it's 100 percent a failure on ffg not knowing how to run a ccg. 

I can't afford an Aventador. Does that mean Lamborghini doesn't know how to make a car?

It doesn't matter what entertainment product we're talking about or what the reason is, but if you can't afford it you probably shouldn't buy it.

Having said that, only completionist need complete sets. Even tournament players don't need 2 of everything. You can get a lot of enjoyment out of the game for less than $100 if you aren't a completionist and know how to shop and trade.

I'm pretty sure Destiny will eventually die and some day in the future you will be right. So far it has survived every event you said would kill it. How long does it have to last before you quit beating this particular drum?

 

[Virtigo 85]

I'll be happy to get my hands on another copy of Force Throw/Mind Probe without buying completely new starter sets.

[Hawkman2000 352]

You know, I keep going back to saying that FFG is doing exactly what they think is best for the game. All the armchair quarterbacks saying that FFG is failing this obviously don't understand FFG's goals. If FFG wanted to go heavier, they certainly could. They're playing the long game with production and know that the Star Wars fan base will wait. 

I'm sure we'll be getting Awakenings little by little till next year. 

[ellhaynes 188]

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The situation sucks. FFG knows it sucks. They're sorry it sucks. They're trying to fix it now. Hush.

How would you explain or justify the utter lack of silence with the fan base on the supply issues? Not disagreeing with the rest of your post, but I've yet to see anyone come up with a plausible explanation of why FFG is treating its fan base so disrespectfully on this.

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Edited February 19, 2017 by ellhaynes

[CBMarkham 2,441]

18 minutes ago, ellhaynes said:

How would you explain or justify the utter lack of silence with the fan base on the supply issues? Not disagreeing with the rest of your post, but I've yet to see anyone come up with a plausible explanation of why FFG is treating its fan base so disrespectfully on this.

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Obviously I don't know, but I'm willing to speculate.

 

My guess would be that the answer "Sorry, we're working on it" would be super unsatisfying to the community, and we'd have 40 more questions which essentially boil down to "When?!!". They don't want to answer the "When?!" because even though they're working on it, stuff like this can get delayed and they don't know for sure. They don't want to give a firm position on the "When?!" because if it turns out they can't live up to it, places like this forum would just have more fodder, and go off like Mt. Vesuvius.  

 

They don't want to tell us late April in case the reality turns out to be early June and then people have more reason to shout at them for being "inept liars", and telling us anything less than "when" is as good as telling us nothing at all. That's my guess.  /shrug

Edited February 19, 2017 by CBMarkham

[Mace Windu 1,173]

46 minutes ago, CBMarkham said:

Obviously I don't know, but I'm willing to speculate.

 

My guess would be that the answer "Sorry, we're working on it" would be super unsatisfying to the community, and we'd have 40 more questions which essentially boil down to "When?!!". They don't want to answer the "When?!" because even though they're working on it, stuff like this can get delayed and they don't know for sure. They don't want to give a firm position on the "When?!" because if it turns out they can't live up to it, places like this forum would just have more fodder, and go off like Mt. Vesuvius.  

 

They don't want to tell us late April in case the reality turns out to be early June and then people have more reason to shout at them for being "inept liars", and telling us anything less than "when" is as good as telling us nothing at all. That's my guess.  /shrug

Actually I think it would have the exact opposite effect, some acknowledgement of the immense popularity of the game and it far exceeding their expectations and that they are doing everything they can to remedy the problem would be far better than the completely stoic lack of acknowledgement right now.

 

What they have done however is roll out spoilers and preview content for the next set as if everything is completely all right, and that just doesn’t sit well with many.

[ellhaynes 188]

16 minutes ago, Mace Windu said:

Actually I think it would have the exact opposite effect, some acknowledgement of the immense popularity of the game and it far exceeding their expectations and that they are doing everything they can to remedy the problem would be far better than the completely stoic lack of acknowledgement right now.

 

What they have done however is roll out spoilers and preview content for the next set as if everything is completely all right, and that just doesn’t sit well with many.

Agreed! 

[ozmodon 535]

1 hour ago, ellhaynes said:

Agreed! 

Many are assuming everything isn't alright!  $50.00 for Darth Vader and people cringe. I bet magic players would love to go back in time and buy a black lotus for $50. 

Sure I would like to have the whole set but I'll live until the next set arrives. I'm sure Destiny will be fine until then.

Edited February 19, 2017 by ozmodon
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[Mace Windu 1,173]

25 minutes ago, ozmodon said:

Many are assuming everything isn't alright!  $50.00 for Darth Vader and people cringe. I bet magic players would love to go back in time and buy a black lotus for $50. 

Sure I would like to have the whole set but I'll live until the next set arrives. I'm sure Destiny will be fine until then.

You talk as if you think that what has unfolded was deliberate from FFG.

Realistically I can't see how the current state of supply would be the intended outcome at this point from FFG, no company wants to leave money on the table as they say, there was nearly $50,000 worth of unfulfilled box orders on Miniature Market alone. You could justifiably say that there is literally over a million dollars' worth of stock that could have been sold by now if FFG had it to sell.

No, this is not the intended way that any company wants to sell product, as a company you always want to provide sufficient product on anything you sell that’s not a limited edition  product. As far as I'm aware this is not at all intended to be a limited edition product and if it was I probably wouldn’t have gotten into the game.

Also the possibility of Awakenings Darth Vader becoming like Black lotus is highly unlikely, I remember when VS. was at its peak  with 10k events every other weekend it felt like, and a friend invested considerable money in playsets of  Fizzle and Hulk Smash hoping they would be the next lotus, sadly for him that never eventuated.

Destiny as per the virtue of FFG OP events not offering money for prizes (yet) has mount Everest to climb by 1 legged man before it can be in the same leagues of Magic.

Remember folks Collectable =/= limited edition, as some on these boards seem to think.

[ozmodon 535]

29 minutes ago, Mace Windu said:

You talk as if you think that what has unfolded was deliberate from FFG.

Realistically I can't see how the current state of supply would be the intended outcome at this point from FFG, no company wants to leave money on the table as they say, there was nearly $50,000 worth of unfulfilled box orders on Miniature Market alone. You could justifiably say that there is literally over a million dollars' worth of stock that could have been sold by now if FFG had it to sell.

No, this is not the intended way that any company wants to sell product, as a company you always want to provide sufficient product on anything you sell that’s not a limited edition  product. As far as I'm aware this is not at all intended to be a limited edition product and if it was I probably wouldn’t have gotten into the game.

Also the possibility of Awakenings Darth Vader becoming like Black lotus is highly unlikely, I remember when VS. was at its peak  with 10k events every other weekend it felt like, and a friend invested considerable money in playsets of  Fizzle and Hulk Smash hoping they would be the next lotus, sadly for him that never eventuated.

Destiny as per the virtue of FFG OP events not offering money for prizes (yet) has mount Everest to climb by 1 legged man before it can be in the same leagues of Magic.

Remember folks Collectable =/= limited edition, as some on these boards seem to think.

I love how you put words into people's mouth then argue based on what you just said. You must be a politician.

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda!

It is what it is! They are here now and moving forward. To bad everyone else can't do the same.

[Mace Windu 1,173]

58 minutes ago, ozmodon said:

I love how you put words into people's mouth then argue based on what you just said. You must be a politician.

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda!

It is what it is! They are here now and moving forward. To bad everyone else can't do the same.

Eh, when you make such an excited statement like:

"Many are assuming everything isn't alright!"

Its hard to read that any way other than you think everything is fine. I certainly don’t think I'm putting words in your mouth.

And as for moving forward, for those that can't even get Starter decks let alone booster in sufficient quantities, well this game isn't going anywhere but to the back of their mind as they spend their money on other games instead.

[ozmodon 535]

I've helped get several people started with my extras when they were unable to get any product. We have a strong group of players. You can be the knight guarding the gate, the peasant who walks by, or the fool who screams "The sky is falling!" I chose to be the peasant.

 

[Amanal 2,557]

18 hours ago, soviet prince said:

well it looks like FFG does not know what there their doing I mean another "very limited print run"

Based on the quotes in the original post there are a few clues as to what FFG are doing to expand production of their critical path item, being the dice, but that also speaks to them being aware their is a problem and working towards a solution. A solution that isn't as simple as cease production on SoR any more than they should cease production of Destiny.

How they go about increasing production is entirely up to them, they have communicated their resolution to the problem as much as they are going to. We can expect SoR late April early May, some additional reprints of the Starters and then some extra reprints of Destiny as things ramp up. Perhaps set three will be out in January/February to further expand production of Destiny and SoR as needed.

As much as I understand things, cash flow is king, success can be as dangerous to a business cash flow as failure.  For the most part what FFG are doing seems quite balanced and reasonable.

[amrothe 155]

I really think of awakenings as the Alpha set of magic It will probably be reprinted in a very small amount a few times then they will move on. You will see the prices go up and even their promised small reprint you can be sure shops will be selling that at around $200 a box. We are likely to get a ton of versions of the characters so you might not get the original han and will have to settle for young han, young luke (7/10) to pair with obiwan? Maybe there will be a way to Rise again and switch out to a specific older version of the character. Its too early to tell what they will do for sure, but I am definately enjoying the ride.