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2 minutes ago, Rebeltrooper said:

You posed a question and got unequivocally shot down in "strategy" of rolling dice. The community you are asking universally considers it cheating no matter what shade or grey you try spin it under. Play with your buddies that why, now one can or wants to stop you. Bring that garbage to a tourney and you will have judges, and opponents, making you legitimately rolling dice.

Bring that  grammar to a tourney and the judge may kick you out.

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4 minutes ago, Rebeltrooper said:

You posed a question and got unequivocally shot down in "strategy" of rolling dice. The community you are asking universally considers it cheating no matter what shade or grey you try spin it under. Play with your buddies that why, now one can or wants to stop you. Bring that garbage to a tourney and you will have judges, and opponents, making you legitimately rolling dice.

No, if he brings that garbage to a tournament he'll get DQ'ed, which he should.

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3 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

This will be my last response due to the lack of common sense being displayed...once again...this is NOT setting dice...it is rolling a die no different than your opponent only that you picked up and turned before rolling. 

You just highlighted in your response that you did roll your die different than your opponent. Your opponent performed two actions 1) Picked up die, 2) rolled die. You on the other hand performed three actions, 1) Picked up die, 2) turned die, 3) rolled die.

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1 minute ago, ketemycos said:

No, if he brings that garbage to a tournament he'll get DQ'ed, which he should.

Lol I never once mentioned using this strategy at all. Only that it was discussed with some friends. For all you know I may just be playing devils advocate for a friends thought. Regardless, you made your point. You don't like it. That's fine. I couldn't care less how my friends roll as long as it's a full roll. Gives me larger laughs when it blanks anyway.

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Didn't dice masters have this same problem at one point? It doesn't matter if DB or his buddies intended to cheat, the fact is there are people who CAN cheat doing this and can replicate the results to skew probabilities waaay into their favor. That's why it is bad form and illegal in OP Darth, your intention is irrelevant.

Incidently this is why I play any dice game with a rolling cup. Q-workshop makes some beautes. I want a good random roll and my opponent accuses me of cheating with a cup then I question their grip on reality.

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3 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

Lol I never once mentioned using this strategy at all. Only that it was discussed with some friends. For all you know I may just be playing devils advocate for a friends thought. Regardless, you made your point. You don't like it. That's fine. I couldn't care less how my friends roll as long as it's a full roll. Gives me larger laughs when it blanks anyway.

Stop using the term "strategy" when talking about producing a random result. It shows that you either:

- don't understand the definition of "strategy" / have a different definition than the rest of us, or

- are actually discussing different ways to cheat.

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4 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

Didn't dice masters have this same problem at one point? It doesn't matter if DB or his buddies intended to cheat, the fact is there are people who CAN cheat doing this and can replicate the results to skew probabilities waaay into their favor. That's why it is bad form and illegal in OP Darth, your intention is irrelevant.

I wouldn't know, this is my first dice game outside of Yahtzee that I played as a kid. Once again, I couldn't care less how this is ruled, only that my friends have mixed opinions and I see both sides to it. It seems this community is heavily favoring no strategy behind rolling. That's fine. I've personally never done it myself but sure got a kick at how the accusations flew. Regardless, thank you for your opinions (most of you) and have a great day ?

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4 minutes ago, ketemycos said:

Stop using the term "strategy" when talking about producing a random result. It shows that you either:

- don't understand the definition of "strategy" / have a different definition than the rest of us, or

- are actually discussing different ways to cheat.

Strategy (from Greek στρατηγία stratēgia, "art of troop leader; office of general, command, generalship"[1]) is a high level plan to achieve one or more goals under conditions of uncertainty. Enough said I guess.

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5 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

Strategy (from Greek στρατηγία stratēgia, "art of troop leader; office of general, command, generalship"[1]) is a high level plan to achieve one or more goals under conditions of uncertainty. Enough said I guess.

Go take your "strategy" to Vegas then. I'm sure they'll be amazed by your skills.

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2 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

Strategy (from Greek στρατηγία stratēgia, "art of troop leader; office of general, command, generalship"[1]) is a high level plan to achieve one or more goals under conditions of uncertainty. Enough said I guess.

Okay. It sounds like you do not understand that Destiny (along with literally every other dice game that I can think of) is intended to be played with completely random dice results (i.e. no "dice rolling strategy").

You are literally the first person I have ever heard of who considers "dice rolling strategy" to be anything other than cheating. This isn't a rules debate and there aren't "two sides." You will be disqualified for this behavior in a tournament and if I were a store owner I would ban you from my shop.

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3 minutes ago, ketemycos said:

Okay. It sounds like you do not understand that Destiny (along with literally every other dice game that I can think of) is intended to be played with completely random dice results (i.e. no "dice rolling strategy").

You are literally the first person I have ever heard of who considers "dice rolling strategy" to be anything other than cheating. This isn't a rules debate and there aren't "two sides." You will be disqualified for this behavior in a tournament and if I were a store owner I would ban you from my shop.

I never said it wasn't cheating. I asked why it is. You still haven't given an answer either. You most certainly will not be disqualified for rolling a die. I'm glad your not a store owner too because you probably wouldn't survive due to your attitude. 

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It's cheating and you know it.

 

I use to play backgammon with this girl, she rolled the dice in a manner that rolled doubles consistently, she knew she was cheating.  So we made her roll using one of those dice cups.

Your rolling intentionally in a manner to reduce rolling blanks.  I'd give you a cup to roll in.

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17 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

Strategy (from Greek στρατηγία stratēgia, "art of troop leader; office of general, command, generalship"[1]) is a high level plan to achieve one or more goals under conditions of uncertainty. Enough said I guess.

Okay, so we agree a strategy is a plan to accomplish a goal. 

 

If I understand correctly, we also would agree that the plan is to place the die before the roll in the hand in a specific way to accomplish the goal of having the result be a specific die face (not the blank) as opposed to a random side. Now, whether or not this plan will actually accomplish that goal is a separate discussion, the important thing is we can agree that the plan is to accomplish that goal.

 

Now that we have agreed to that, the idea of a die is that when rolled it should always generate a random result. Any attempt to remove randomness from this process is in direct contrast with the purpose of the die and is therefore cheating. Not any successful attempt, but any attempt. Yes, if someone blows on a die because they genuinely believe that will remove the randomness and improve their likelihood of getting a certain result, that is an attempt at cheating. Now, that being said, I personally don't believe that blowing on a die will influence the result at all, so I'm not going to report that to a judge. Using sleight of hand to roll in a specific way is well known to actually have a demonstrable effect on the result and truly does remove the randomness. This is why casinos have rules regulating how dice can be rolled and why the ROC requires dice cups at high level play: to prevent control of the roll. Given that, if I see a player paying particular attention to the facing of the die prior to the roll, I will assume that person has thoroughly practiced manipulating the roll and this attempt at cheating will actually succeed. Sure, it is quite possible they did not practice and their method will have genuinely no effect on the roll, but unlike blowing, if practiced and mastered, it genuinely can have an effect, even while ensuring specific numbers of rumbles of the dice. The roll can /appear/ quite fair to the untrained eye, and because my eye is untrained, I will assume it only appears fair but is in fact the work of someone who has practiced their sleight of hand and is in fact a successful demonstration of cheating rather than just an attempt.

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Er.... don't you think if there was a fully tested way to better your dice rolls it would be all over the internet, used regularly in casinos, and be well known in a hobby that almost almost uses dice in games?!? 

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6 minutes ago, ellhaynes said:

Er.... don't you think if there was a fully tested way to better your dice rolls it would be all over the internet, used regularly in casinos, and be well known in a hobby that almost almost uses dice in games?!? 

This has been my point. If it's not tried and true what's the difference.

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8 minutes ago, ellhaynes said:

Er.... don't you think if there was a fully tested way to better your dice rolls it would be all over the internet, used regularly in casinos, and be well known in a hobby that almost almost uses dice in games?!? 

Um it has been and casinos do look for it. The catch is it isn't easy. It takes a steady hand and practice, any yahoo can't read a faq and become a dice shark just like you can't watch a magician and become david copperfield.

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Yep, you're right - didn't mean to imply that it wasn't impossible.

more my thought was - why on earth would you go to all that effort to try and perfect the technique in a hobby where there's no real prizes to win? 

Gamey. Beardy. Whatever you want to call it, it's not in the spirit of the hobby at all. 

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When you play craps at a casino, you are allowed to set the facing of the dice before you toss them. However, when you toss them you have to throw them across the very large table and they tell you that you need to have them bounce off the wall of the other side of the table if you manage to fail to do so after a couple rolls.

When playing destiny I highly doubt you are playing on a surface that large with something to bounce them off off, and there is no way anyone wouldn't call you on rolling that way as trying to cheat by trying to flip the dice a certain way rather than rolling them.

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